AFL coverage on FTA TV in Sydney

[j s]

For those who might not have noticed TEN is showing the Sat night NAB Cup game live on their new ONE channel. Not just in HD (as they have done before) but also in SD on their new ONE Digital (Logical Channel Number 12) channel.

[Xie Shan]

Huh?

According to this (http://www.tencorporate.com.au/library/documents/ONE%20to%20launch%20on%2026%20March%202009.pdf) they're not launching the new digital channel until 26 March?

[givekidsakick]

Just checked with ten....the "live" game is on HD TEN at 8.30 Sat night. The Brisbane game will be on at 11.00 pm on the SD channel. A bummer if you don't have HD.

[573v30]

Good to see Channel 10 get their act together, sort of.

[j s]

Just checked with ten....the "live" game is on HD TEN at 8.30 Sat night. The Brisbane game will be on at 11.00 pm on the SD channel. A bummer if you don't have HD.
Did you read my post? Ten now has TWO SD channels. The game will (almost certainly) also be on their new SD channel 12 (labelled ONE Digital). Certainly that channel was simulcasting the TEN HD content this afternoon and I see no reason why that would change tomorrow. Whatever is on the HD channel will also be the new SD channel. Right now both are showing NBA basketball

Channel 10 rejigged their digital channels yesterday in Sydney - you might need to get your STB (or PVR or TV) to rescan to get the new channels. They are:

1 - ONE HD (still the same old TEN HD content till Mar 26 when it goes all sport)
10 TEN Digital (our old friend)
12 ONE Digital (the SD version of whatever is on ONE HD)

[Xie Shan]

Channel 10 rejigged their digital channels yesterday in Sydney - you might need to get your STB (or PVR or TV) to rescan to get the new channels. They are:

1 - ONE HD (still the same old TEN HD content till Mar 26 when it goes all sport)
10 TEN Digital (our old friend)
12 ONE Digital (the SD version of whatever is on ONE HD)

Thanks js, I was a bit confused by the initial post. Yes Ten does seem to have started simulcasting the SD version of Ten HD as of today on the new 'ONE Digital' Channel 12. We can't receive HD broadcasts at home so when I could get Channel 12 today, that's when I knew the new channel must have started 'unofficially'.

[GoSouth33]

Thanks for the tip. Didn't realise that there was any coverage so I'm glad I read your post tonight. I've checked on the Standard STB and its showing there as well as on the HD. Lions well ahead of the Saints at half time.

[mackemdezzy]

Once the new season actally starts i heard that Sydney viewers will still get stuffed with late night replays with games that dont invole the swans on this One HD channel hope this isn't the case

[laughingnome]

Once the new season actally starts i heard that Sydney viewers will still get stuffed with late night replays with games that dont invole the swans on this One HD channel hope this isn't the case
Oh Mackemdezzy, this is Sydney. OF COURSE it will be the case.

[SimonH]

People on BF say that the present very happy (and long overdue) arrangement can't last into the regular season because anti-siphoning legislation prohibits FTA stations from broadcasting declared sport (such as regular-season AFL) on their subsidiary (HD) channels if it's not on their main channel at the same time. Normally I'd be loathe to repeat what's on BF, but intuitively that sounds right.

That said, even if this bad news is right, I'd hope & expect that the Gov't should tweak the rules fairly shortly to give us a better deal, because it's only by allowing this sort of thing that they're going to encourage the uptake of digital TV, which is certainly a huge policy problem for them. (At current rates, hundreds of thousands-- if not millions-- of older people and slow adopters are going to be cut off in 2012 or whenever analogue is due to be switched off.)

[laughingnome]

Isn'y there a problem with Foxtel in here? Games in NSW & QLD are regularly re-sold to Foxtel's Main Event Channel to be broadcast live because channels 7 and 10 don't wish to show them in these states. Can they back out of that so easily to broadcast the games themselves?

[SimonH]

We now have the week's TV guide to tell us how FTA coverage in Sydney will pan out in 2009, and it's largely as feared:


Ten will show the Thu night season opener Richmond v Carlton at 11:15pm and at the same time on its new ONE channel (so obviously anti-siphoning/existing pay TV contracts prevent subsidiary digital channels from giving earlier service than the main FTA channel provides)
Seven will show the Hawthorn v Geelong blockbuster on Fri night at 11:45pm. I thought the much-trumpeted FTA Sydney deal was that 11:15pm Fri was the latest start allowed? Seven's HD channel won't start a minute earlier.
Ten's ONE will provide a replay of Rich v Carlton at 7:30pm Fri (so at least there's some prime-time AFL, albeit this won't be an option in most other weeks)
Swans live (or near enough to) on Ten (and ONE simultaneously) on Sat night
Very oddly, no Sat arvo game at all on Ten or ONE (hopefully only because it clashes with the Aussie F1 GP this weekend)
For those who missed it (and, generations later, can't program a HDD/video) ONE will replay Swans v Saints at 10am Sunday
Seven plays the dud-of-the-round Melbourne v NM live on Sunday arvo
Seven will replay the Pahhhhr v Essendon at midnight Sunday-- and once again its HD won't offer anything better (seemingly a permanent policy?)


So, in summary, a little better than we had last year and previous years (although in terms of the Fri night game start, actually worse); but still way, way short of where it should be given all of the minority/specialist sport broadcasting resources that FTA channels now have at their disposal.

Also strange that ONE never replays the Sat arvo game that Ten had but gave up (just this week, I hope) for the Aussie GP. I presume they resold the broadcast rights to it, in their entirety, to pay TV? Is this allowed?

[ugg]

Simon I believe that by choosing to screen the Carlton Richmond game, that counts as one of TEN's (or ONE's) allocation for the Round.

[laughingnome]

Ten will show the Thu night season opener Richmond v Carlton at 11:15pm and at the same time on its new ONE channel (so obviously anti-siphoning/existing pay TV contracts prevent subsidiary digital channels from giving earlier service than the main FTA channel provides)


Is there any chance, any at all, that they just thought the swimming would rate higher? It must be after midnight, I'm sounding fanciful again :s

[Mike_B]

Very oddly, no Sat arvo game at all on Ten or ONE (hopefully only because it clashes with the Aussie F1 GP this weekend)


Also strange that ONE never replays the Sat arvo game that Ten had but gave up (just this week, I hope) for the Aussie GP. I presume they resold the broadcast rights to it, in their entirety, to pay TV? Is this allowed?


Simon I believe that by choosing to screen the Carlton Richmond game, that counts as one of TEN's (or ONE's) allocation for the Round.

Yes, that's correct. Similar things happen when there's a game on say Easter Monday/Queen's Birthday which Ten choose to cover. They then drop one of their usual Saturday timeslots because they get to cover 2 games a week. So in effect Richmond Carlton was their Sat afternoon fixture moved to Thursday night while Collingwood Adelaide is the alternate Sat afternoon fixture that Fox would cover.

[CJK]

Excellent, it's official then.

'Freeview' sucks.

[goswannie14]

Excellent, it's official then.

'Freeview' sucks.I think you will find it is the Networks that have the AFL rights that are the ones who suck!

[laughingnome]

I think you will find it is the Networks that have the AFL rights that are the ones who suck!

I direct my blame to those who wrote the contract with a lack of reasonable foresight.

[goswannie14]

I direct my blame to those who wrote the contract with a lack of reasonable foresight.Sorry I forgot to add..."and the AFL"!!!

[CJK]

I think you will find it is the Networks that have the AFL rights that are the ones who suck!

But the Networks are Freeview

[floppinab]

We now have the week's TV guide to tell us how FTA coverage in Sydney will pan out in 2009, and it's largely as feared:


Ten will show the Thu night season opener Richmond v Carlton at 11:15pm and at the same time on its new ONE channel (so obviously anti-siphoning/existing pay TV contracts prevent subsidiary digital channels from giving earlier service than the main FTA channel provides)




Disappointed but not surprised, although I suspect TEN may have some higher order commitment for the swimming. Given that this game is now live into Melbourne they're missing a big opportunity to launch their ONE channel with a bang I would've thought (with my Aussie Rules blinkers on of course).

[laughingnome]

I've been thinking about this the last couple of days, and I might be missing something, and if so could someone on here please point it out?

Under the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 then no limited operator (eg, Foxtel) can bid on the rights of shows unless the free networks pass on them. Therefore Channel 7 & 10 bought the rights to broadcast the AFL from 2007 - 2011 inclusive, but agreed to sell some games onto Foxtel as they didn't intend to show them live in NSW and QLD, if at all. The deal for Sydney means that Fox Sports will carry the FreeTV broadcast live on Friday and Saturday night unless the local team is playing, in which case it will be shown on FTA.

A call to Channel 10 today confirmed all this as well as saying that Channel 10 was in the early stages of planinng a digital sports channel (now known as ONE) when the deal was being negotiated. The operator confirmed that the above act prevents Channel 10 showing (for example) Thursday's game live on ONE as the Act doesn't recognise Digital TV as being free-to-air. Channel 10 would either have to show it live on their main channel or not at all, and this was the nexus of the deal made with Foxtel.

Given the Australian Government (through Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Stephen Conroy) is pushing for analog TV to be fully replaced by Digital by 2012, why is it that anti-siphoning laws prevent FreeTV Networks from broadcasting content on their second and third channels? Surely if the government is pushing everyone to have digital TV then the Networks are not merely hoarding it in the idea that if they can't show it, no one can? Does this add up? Anybody?

[Xie Shan]

Why is Channel 7 showing repeats of Scrubs after the Friday night movie before the footy? :o I love the show but seriously...they could easily start the replay at 10:30 rather than 11:45!!

[j s]

We now have the week's TV guide to tell us how FTA coverage in Sydney will pan out in 2009, and it's largely as feared:


Ten will show the Thu night season opener Richmond v Carlton at 11:15pm and at the same time on its new ONE channel (so obviously anti-siphoning/existing pay TV contracts prevent subsidiary digital channels from giving earlier service than the main FTA channel provides)
Seven will show the Hawthorn v Geelong blockbuster on Fri night at 11:45pm. I thought the much-trumpeted FTA Sydney deal was that 11:15pm Fri was the latest start allowed? Seven's HD channel won't start a minute earlier.
Ten's ONE will provide a replay of Rich v Carlton at 7:30pm Fri (so at least there's some prime-time AFL, albeit this won't be an option in most other weeks)
Swans live (or near enough to) on Ten (and ONE simultaneously) on Sat night
Very oddly, no Sat arvo game at all on Ten or ONE (hopefully only because it clashes with the Aussie F1 GP this weekend)
For those who missed it (and, generations later, can't program a HDD/video) ONE will replay Swans v Saints at 10am Sunday
Seven plays the dud-of-the-round Melbourne v NM live on Sunday arvo
Seven will replay the Pahhhhr v Essendon at midnight Sunday-- and once again its HD won't offer anything better (seemingly a permanent policy?)


So, in summary, a little better than we had last year and previous years (although in terms of the Fri night game start, actually worse); but still way, way short of where it should be given all of the minority/specialist sport broadcasting resources that FTA channels now have at their disposal.

Also strange that ONE never replays the Sat arvo game that Ten had but gave up (just this week, I hope) for the Aussie GP. I presume they resold the broadcast rights to it, in their entirety, to pay TV? Is this allowed?
Some comments:

* The "sat arvo game" will be played (and shown) on Thu night.

* we actually get an extra FTA game this week - seven is showing two games on Sunday instead of the usual one

[ugg]

Are you talking about the game at midnight? I thought Seven always did that.

[SimonH]

...

Given the Australian Government (through Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Stephen Conroy) is pushing for analog TV to be fully replaced by Digital by 2012, why is it that anti-siphoning laws prevent FreeTV Networks from broadcasting content on their second and third channels? Surely if the government is pushing everyone to have digital TV then the Networks are not merely hoarding it in the idea that if they can't show it, no one can? Does this add up? Anybody?Laws obviously don't prevent them from broadcasting 'content' on their 2nd and 3rd channels; only broadcasting it for the first time there (see, e.g. the Friday replay of the Thu game). You might be right about the 'digital subsidiary FTA is treated the same as pay TV' legislative anomaly; but Stephen Conroy's office and/or [email protected] (that's the real email address, I'm not making it up) would be able to clarify if that's the real reason.

Whatever the reason, we're getting dudded for no noticeable benefit to anyone (pay TV either don't have these games at all, or alternatively they don't have them any later than the FTA channel is happy to let them rebroadcast).


Simon I believe that by choosing to screen the Carlton Richmond game, that counts as one of TEN's (or ONE's) allocation for the Round.

Thanks for that. Well-noticed everyone.

Some comments:

* The "sat arvo game" will be played (and shown) on Thu night.

* we actually get an extra FTA game this week - seven is showing two games on Sunday instead of the usual oneI'm pretty sure that Seven played the Sunday twilight game near or after midnight Sun, in 2008 and possibly earlier as well.

The number of games we get live or within 60 minutes or so ('near live' is now officially a dirty phrase) is the real issue. A lack of replays still running at 2am, has never been a major problem in Sydney.

[j s]

I'm pretty sure that Seven played the Sunday twilight game near or after midnight Sun, in 2008 and possibly earlier as well.
Yes - they have done it a few times in the past. It seems that if they switch Sunday games with Foxtel (in NSW) they still retain the "replay" rights to their original twilight game hence we get to see the both games (if we wish).

Pity that TEN doesn't take the same approach. It may be that now with One they will.

[laughingnome]

Laws obviously don't prevent them from broadcasting 'content' on their 2nd and 3rd channels; only broadcasting it for the first time there (see, e.g. the Friday replay of the Thu game). You might be right about the 'digital subsidiary FTA is treated the same as pay TV' legislative anomaly; but Stephen Conroy's office and/or [email protected] (that's the real email address, I'm not making it up) would be able to clarify if that's the real reason.

Whatever the reason, we're getting dudded for no noticeable benefit to anyone (pay TV either don't have these games at all, or alternatively they don't have them any later than the FTA channel is happy to let them rebroadcast).

I was under the impression that the games that 7 and 10 don't broadcast into Sydney were shown on Foxtel's Main Event (518) where possible? Is that not happening tonight?

Also, am waiting for replies from ACMA and Mr Conroy re the anomoly. Will post what they say here if it clears anything up.

[Mike_B]

I was under the impression that the games that 7 and 10 don't broadcast into Sydney were shown on Foxtel's Main Event (518) where possible? Is that not happening tonight?

Fri night games definitely get this treatment, and then it's when the FTA channel is showing a Fox-covered game because it involves the Swans, meaning the same game is both on FTA and Fox in Sydney, so they show the game being covered by the FTA network on Main Event.

[ugg]

in addition to FC tonight, there is a new AFL panel show n ONE HD starting at 730 hosted by Quartermain Walls Lloyd Richoooooo and Harley.

[ugg]

It was kind of dreary really, with Walls babbling on as he usually does on the TEN commentary (His solution for the Swans woes - surprise, surprise throw Hall in the ruck or on the ball :rolleyes:). The most insightful person on the panel was Harley (Richo and Lloyd were not there, I'm guessing they do a rotation) who spoke very eloquently.

[gumby_bolts]

It was kind of dreary really, with Walls babbling on as he usually does on the TEN commentary (His solution for the Swans woes - surprise, surprise throw Hall in the ruck or on the ball :rolleyes:). The most insightful person on the panel was Harley (Richo and Lloyd were not there, I'm guessing they do a rotation) who spoke very eloquently.

Anyone watch On the Couch last night?
IMHO not having the rambling tired, no-research opinions of Walls really lifted the show.
Hird did quite well, looking forward to his input for the rest of the season.

[ugg]

No Footy Classified this week? or am I missing something?

[j s]

No Footy Classified this week? or am I missing something?

Yes! You're missing something ;)

Assuming you mean in Sydney - 9HD at 23:30 Thursday (after the AFL Footy Show)

[reigning premier]

Suck it up and get Foxtel people. Like it or lump it, FTA television is soon to be a distant memory. ALL TV will be on subscription basis within the next 20yrs and you will only get what you pay for.

[laughingnome]

Suck it up and get Foxtel people. Like it or lump it, FTA television is soon to be a distant memory. ALL TV will be on subscription basis within the next 20yrs and you will only get what you pay for.

Doubtful. With 15 Free-to-air channels by 2013 (3 per current network) there will be more then enough content without having to pay for it, and the networks aren't crying poor because freeTV works as a business.

PayTV uptake in this country has always been abysmal compared with other countries - most notably the USA - because the Networks have managed to maintain the popular vote and the population is far too small to support the minority's want. Foxtel knows this all too well and has spent the last 5 years convincing Australians that you need Foxtel to watch sport, but with Channel 10's free Sports channel there's a dent in that hull. Foxtel's other great marketing ploy of recent times is "pause, rewind live TV and record your shows whenever you want". Since then Tivo has been launched in Australia and Foxtel once again looks like the rich-persons plaything while offering no real value.

[goswannie14]

Doubtful. With 15 Free-to-air channels by 2013 (3 per current network) there will be more then enough content without having to pay for it, and the networks aren't crying poor because freeTV works as a business.

PayTV uptake in this country has always been abysmal compared with other countries - most notably the USA - because the Networks have managed to maintain the popular vote and the population is far too small to support the minority's want. Foxtel knows this all too well and has spent the last 5 years convincing Australians that you need Foxtel to watch sport, but with Channel 10's free Sports channel there's a dent in that hull. Foxtel's other great marketing ploy of recent times is "pause, rewind live TV and record your shows whenever you want". Since then Tivo has been launched in Australia and Foxtel once again looks like the rich-persons plaything while offering no real value.You're right Laughingnome.

We had this discussion with some friends a couple of weeks ago. If they really want everyone to get pay TV then they should halve the cost. I guarantee if they did that, the 25% take up would be closer to 75%.

It's just basic marketing, GL Coles style, make a little bit on every item, and sell a lot of them.

BTW I don't have Tivo, but I can do that with my DVD recorder with a hdd.

[j s]

Doubtful. With 15 Free-to-air channels by 2013 (3 per current network) there will be more then enough content without having to pay for it, and the networks aren't crying poor because freeTV works as a business.

PayTV uptake in this country has always been abysmal compared with other countries - most notably the USA - because the Networks have managed to maintain the popular vote and the population is far too small to support the minority's want. Foxtel knows this all too well and has spent the last 5 years convincing Australians that you need Foxtel to watch sport, but with Channel 10's free Sports channel there's a dent in that hull. Foxtel's other great marketing ploy of recent times is "pause, rewind live TV and record your shows whenever you want". Since then Tivo has been launched in Australia and Foxtel once again looks like the rich-persons plaything while offering no real value.

The anti-siphoning laws have been a big factor - major sporting events are still on FTA. In the US most are now paytv only.

[laughingnome]

The anti-siphoning laws have been a big factor - major sporting events are still on FTA. In the US most are now paytv only.

True, but I can't see Australia following the path of the USA or UK. The 25% of PayTV subscribers won't care and the 75% without will cry murder if a politician thinks about removing anti-siphoning legislation from sport. After all, the law exists because "sport is our right as Australians" (Downer).

[SimonH]

Suck it up and get Foxtel people. Like it or lump it, FTA television is soon to be a distant memory. ALL TV will be on subscription basis within the next 20yrs and you will only get what you pay for.That argument is, like, so 1980s.

Over the next 20 years, more people will pay to watch their sport than now do. But the growth in paid viewing will revolve around flexible, pay-as-you-go online delivery to the device of your choice. Not paying a NewsCorp/Telstra monolith $50 a month or whatever to get a mass download of content, 99.9% of which you don't want, that you can only view on a fixed TV in your house.

[laughingnome]

Over the next 20 years, more people will pay to watch their sport than now do.

Which isn't saying much.

[ugg]

Barry Hall will be the special guest on OWAAT next week.

[pinkemu]

Barry Hall will be the special guest on OWAAT next week.

Lets hope he has a good game on Sunday, We don't want unhappy Barry on a Monday night show.

I hope he doesn't come out sounding as dull as the "Cougar".

[Triple B]

Barry Hall will be the special guest on OWAAT next week.

And Roosy 'On The Couch'.

Quite a night it will be.

[ugg]

And Roosy 'On The Couch'.

Quite a night it will be.
Hmmm, will FC complete the trifecta? Will be watching with interest.

[ugg]

Looks like no more Footy Classified for Sydney, and no more live AFL Footy Show (not that I watched it anyway)

Channel 9 Ditches Original HD Programming | Gizmodo Australia (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/08/channel-9-ditches-original-hd-programming/)

[BeeEmmAre]

There goes my plans to switch to HD

[goswannie14]

Without reading the link, Win (9 in the country) says they are up grading their HD channel, I assume to do with broadcasting full time in HD. Could it be the same right around the country?

[GoSouth33]

I don't watch much on CH 9 but at least I was watching Footy Classified on Monday nights at 10.30 pm (9 HD) and the AFL Footy Show on Thursday nights at 9.30 pm on 9 HD. For whatever reason they've chosen to remove those options for Sydney viewers and so I won't be watching their other crap. They can shove it.

[Triple B]

GS33...Footy Classified is on at midnight on both 9HD and 9 (normal)

[GoSouth33]

Thanks Triple B. I did miss that one. Studied the TV programme in the SMH guide and it wasn't shown there but I see it is in the electronic guide. So it's on at midnight now (which means taping rather than watching live). I do need my beauty sleep! But they've cruelled the AFL Footy show, which just starts too late....and taping it is useless because you don't get a chance to play it back on the Friday. Although one benefit of taping is that you can fast forward all the shenanigans.

[Mike_B]

Footy Classified is simulcast on Triple M in Melbourne - not sure if you can pick up the stream online to at least listen to what's being said when it airs at 1030?

[laughingnome]

Footy Classified is simulcast on Triple M in Melbourne - not sure if you can pick up the stream online to at least listen to what's being said when it airs at 1030?

I hadn't thought of that. Will try it next monday through the website.

Listen Online - Triple M Melbourne (http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/listen)

[GoSouth33]

Footy Classified is simulcast on Triple M in Melbourne - not sure if you can pick up the stream online to at least listen to what's being said when it airs at 1030?

Another good tip. I sometimes do listen to the Melbourne radio stations online (and not just through the AFL website when broadcasting games) so will try that next Monday.
I'm just glad that they're telecasting this into Sydney even though it might be a bit late. I feared that they had stopped altogether when they introduced that rubbish channel called GO.

[floppinab]

Just looking at the program for the weekend on FTA. Kudos to 10 for putting a full coverage of Sat. arvo's game (a full 3.5 hours) plus the Sat. night game on at 8.30 (incl. Before the Game on One).
Did they do this last year????

7 of course not pulling their weight, the Fri. night game @ 9.30 although Sunday live and full.

[hammo]

Just looking at the program for the weekend on FTA. Kudos to 10 for putting a full coverage of Sat. arvo's game (a full 3.5 hours) plus the Sat. night game on at 8.30 (incl. Before the Game on One).
Did they do this last year????

7 of course not pulling their weight, the Fri. night game @ 9.30 although Sunday live and full.
Looks like all but Friday night will be live on FTA, with Fri night live on Pay.


AFL Broadcast Guide - AFL.com.au (http://www.afl.com.au/TVRadio/BroadcastGuide/tabid/9451/default.aspx?seasonid=73&roundid=734#locd=NSW%20-%20Sydney&round=Round%201)

[floppinab]

Looks like all but Friday night will be live on FTA, with Fri night live on Pay.


AFL Broadcast Guide - AFL.com.au (http://www.afl.com.au/TVRadio/BroadcastGuide/tabid/9451/default.aspx?seasonid=73&roundid=734#locd=NSW%20-%20Sydney&round=Round%201)

Interesting, 10's website saying 9.30 on 10 and 8.30 on One. IF they're going to split the coverage on those two why wouldn't you do One live??? We'll see.

[GoSouth33]

To be honest, I think we're doing OK up in Sydney for the Finals series. They're all on FTA, some live and some near live. Channel 10 seems to be more "gutsy" in its broadcast. Ch 7 is still trying to be overly protective of its ratings: in a rugby league town they'll always take a hit if there's an NRL game being broadcast at the same time.

[j s]

It probably won't stay this way but right now (Mon AM) the the TEN/ONE online guide (http://ten.com.au/tvguide_search.html) for Sydney says ONE will be showing the Sat night SF live at 7pm (preceded by BTG) but delayed on TEN at 8:30. Is TEN pushing the anti-siphoning rules to the limit? Though I guess this is no different to Fox getting a game live when FTA is showing them delayed.

The description says "Week 2 Finals action with a sudden death semi final. Teams and telecast details to be advised." which is less than promising

YourTV agrees with TEN but CitiSearch says 7:30 & 9:00 respectively.

[Mike_B]

It probably won't stay this way but right now (Mon AM) the the TEN/ONE online guide (http://ten.com.au/tvguide_search.html) for Sydney says ONE will be showing the Sat night SF live at 7pm (preceded by BTG) but delayed on TEN at 8:30. Is TEN pushing the anti-siphoning rules to the limit? Though I guess this is no different to Fox getting a game live when FTA is showing them delayed.

I think it is a little different. Remember that when Fox do this, their channel is being broadcast country-wide, it's their feed, and the FTA coverage on delay is due to the arrangement to show the team into its local market, in spite of the national network not covering the game at all...

[Dave]

I was able to watch the Carlton - Brisbane game live in Sydney.

I have a 93 element UHF antenna pointing to Wollongong to get around this crap with delayed telecasts as they sometimes broadcast live to regional NSW.

I don't know why the AFL doesn't stream it live from their website. They can still put all the ads in to keep the commercial sponsors happy.

Even if they charged $50 for the season I reckon they would get enough takers.

[Wardy]

does anyone know if the Brownlow will be televised live on Foxtel?

[laughingnome]

does anyone know if the Brownlow will be televised live on Foxtel?

I'm assuming it will be on 518 as it is being delayed into NSW and Queensland on Channel 7. 8pm Melbourne time in Vic, SA, WA, Tas and NT, 11:40pm delay into NSW and Qld :(

[Wardy]

I'm assuming it will be on 518 as it is being delayed into NSW and Queensland on Channel 7. 8pm Melbourne time in Vic, SA, WA, Tas and NT, 11:40pm delay into NSW and Qld :(

Mainevent is 518 isnt it? - hopefully it will be - but knowing our luck they will put on the woeful Wrestling instead.

[j s]

I think it is a little different. Remember that when Fox do this, their channel is being broadcast country-wide, it's their feed, and the FTA coverage on delay is due to the arrangement to show the team into its local market, in spite of the national network not covering the game at all...

Not so Mike - for example when Seven shows a non-swans game late on Friday nights in Sydney Foxtel gets to show it live into Sydney. It could be argued that ONE is fundamentally the same.

The very first thing the current "anti-siphoning" review should do is classify the new digital channels as "FTA" (in the anti-siphoning" sense). What better way to hasten the uptake of digital reception.

[laughingnome]

The very first thing the current "anti-siphoning" review should do is classify the new digital channels as "FTA" (in the anti-siphoning" sense). What better way to hasten the uptake of digital reception.

Exactly.