Match Thread - Round 14, Collingwood

[Cheer Squad]

Is everyone ready?

Is everyone happy? :rolleyes:

Let's go get 'em!

[ugg]

Is everyone ready?

Is everyone happy? :rolleyes:

Let's go get 'em!

No. No. Ok



McCarthy and Everitt subs

Richards out Johnston in

[Bas]

Teddy is OUT and LJ is in.

Great news.

The box of Kleenex is ready. The only chance the Swans have tonight was for me to miss the game.

So I have regretably missed the game, to give them any sort of chance of winning.

3AW said that since 2007, the Swans have played 30 games against teams above them and have lost 27. Make that 31 and 28 after tonight.

[ugg]

This is going to test LJ. All three of their tall forwards are strong and can take a contested mark

[ugg]

Okay trying to think positive thoughts and this should mollify Cheer Squad

LJ might be tested defensively but hopefully he'll get a chance to show off his impressive distribution down in defence. The Pies won't know what hit 'em

[liz]

Maybe we'll see him forward. Presumably LRT will move back and take Cloke. I am struggling to think who their 3rd tall marking forward is. I imagine Reg will take Dawes.

[ugg]

Brown wood

[Bas]

3AW are saying that the Swans will be a defender short on either Cloke or Dawes. So how is that different to any other year?

Sportsbet are saying Collingwood $1:13 and and can't write a ticket for the Swans at $6:00

[Bexl]

Good to see LJ get a game but Richards has been one of our best all year.

[Bexl]

Any word on the sub.

[Cheer_Cheer]

I am remembering the 2003 Port Adelaide final.. We weren't given a hint of a chance.. Gee that was a bloody good game.. We are due.. Come on boys !!! Stop this evil mob having their way with you..

[Untamed Snark]

There are a lot of police here tonight.

[ugg]

Let the slaughter begin!

[Cheer Squad]

Let the slaughter begin!

Yes, time for Swans to feast on Magpies!!!

[Bloody Hell]

Any word on the sub.

Post #2

Everitt

[ugg]

Seaby's profile video is scary.

Bird mal and jpk starting on our bench. Weird?!!

[Bloody Hell]

3AW are saying that the Swans will be a defender short on either Cloke or Dawes. So how is that different to any other year?

Sportsbet are saying Collingwood $1:13 and and can't write a ticket for the Swans at $6:00

Swans at $8.00 pre match Pies $1.13

[ShockOfHair]

3AW are saying that the Swans will be a defender short on either Cloke or Dawes. So how is that different to any other year?

Sportsbet are saying Collingwood $1:13 and and can't write a ticket for the Swans at $6:00


Betfairs has Swans at $8.00.

Erm.

GO Swans!

[Donners]

Let the slaughter begin!

Of our own players, apparently. :(

[ShockOfHair]

What? Jack injured already?

And Swan kicks the first goal after 40 seconds.

[ShockOfHair]

Otherwise, the perfect start.

[Donners]

What on earth is that tripe? A 15 metre kick inside defensive 50 straight to a Collingwood player?

[gossipcom]

Jack got smashed by Bolton and Thomas. So I think it was the double whammy that did it.

White goals after a free.

[ugg]

Lj with the kickin! Nice. Trying something different

[gossipcom]

Grundy is having a shocker already.

Jack's running back on the boundary. Yay.

[Donners]

Wow, now this is more like it!

Hopefully we can get some goals which aren't from frees, but at least we're getting them.

[Bloody Hell]

Is anyone having problems with the radio feed at afl.com.au?

[gossipcom]

When will our players learn not to throw players to the ground when they spill the ball? Two have cost us goals now (Grundy and now White's turnover).

[Legs Akimbo]

Jesse White can take a leaf out of Cloke's book and learn to play in front. If he plays in front he will learn how easy it is to use his body to draw a free.

[gossipcom]

Meanwhile LJ can learn not to spoil Goodes marks. Bloody hell.

[Bas]

Is anyone having problems with the radio feed at afl.com.au?

No tuned in to MMM

[Melbournehammer]

Jesse White can take a leaf out of Cloke's book and learn to play in front. If he plays in front he will learn how easy it is to use his body to draw a free.

Couldn't agree more.

[mcs]

Well then that was very promising! We might not win, but if we play 4 quarters like that tonight I'll be very pleased. I think my harsh words to Mcveigh last week might have stirred something in him- he has been excellent so far and working really hard. We need to cut the silly errors out as the Pies are so good at punishing them, but so far I've been very pleased with what I've seen. Funny how much better we look when we take the game on and move the ball quickly.

[Panttz]

McVeigh had a superb quarter. Keep it up boys!

Just gotta get Goodes into the play!

[Nico]

White and Grundy = dumb.

Grundy knocks the ball away then gets petulant and slings Cloke; goal. When will the coaching panel get this blokes match up right at the start of a game.
White; playing behind as usual and slings his opponent which was totally unnecessary. Quick play on for a goal. No wonder he is a seconds player.

[Cheer Squad]

Still can't win the bloody first quarter but we're competitive. C'mon boys, we can win this!

[ugg]

Definitely more attacking but that opens us up if we turn it over which they've already capitalized on a couple of times

[Nico]

Jesse White can take a leaf out of Cloke's book and learn to play in front. If he plays in front he will learn how easy it is to use his body to draw a free.

If he hasn't worked that out by now he never will.

[mpr104]

They competed well, but the worry is how easy Collingwood scored their goals - couple of them looked like a training run.

[Melbournehammer]

By the way what is going on with our kicking I reckon we have had four to five kicks into the fifty have just been complete miskicks

[wolftone57]

I am still really peeved with our skill level & that includes our experienced players. If the skill level was just a thing of the young blokes I would say inexperience is the prob but not if it is our older blokes who r being loose with their delivery. They are not backing each other up & not running to posi to collect a good posi. Being opened up right down the middle, not good for a team who prided itself on guarding the middle. What's more Pise go wide normally.

[Melbournehammer]

And would tadgh get rid of these pathetic hand passes out of defence. His handpasses too frequently put his teammate under pressure

[mpr104]

Great tackle from Nick Mal, just missed the kick.

[Melbournehammer]

Poor poor effort to shepherd by Grundy. You just have to do better than that. Smithy caught because of poor teamwork

[Cpt. Kirk]

Great tackle from Nick Mal, just missed the kick.

Did any1 here Tim Lane's Commentary on it, it is disgraceful how little afl commentators know about the game.

[wolftone57]

Do you think the top 4 get it really easy from the umps? IO fing do

[Melbournehammer]

Jude Bolton just kicks to a one on six in the middle just unbelievably stupid.

[gossipcom]

WTF are there six Pies players without players on them then four Swans on one? That needs to be sorted out ASAP.

[gossipcom]

Now Jack's injured. Done his ankle.

[Melbournehammer]

Goodes does same thing. The collingwood press is making us try to go back into the middle but really dumb kicks nonetheless

[Melbournehammer]

Goodes playing from behind as well

[mpr104]

The effort from the boys is evident, we simply aren't good enough.

[Melbournehammer]

Someone has actually got to play from in front when we come out of defence

[gossipcom]

If Jack hadn't injured his ankle I would have yanked Grundy off long before he cost us 4 freaking goals.

[bennyfabulous]

Goodes is a disgrace. Wastes his talent week after week with stupidity!

Goodesy you dont need to play for frees, or jump early or try to do anything spectacular. You are a better footballer than most. JUST PLAY FOOTBALL.

[wolftone57]

That was a nice crappy free to give another goal to the pies

[Cpt. Kirk]

If Jack hadn't injured his ankle I would have yanked Grundy off long before he cost us 4 freaking goals.

That free kick was all brought on by doors grundy didn't do jack @@@@. Just collingwood know how to work the umpires better.

[gossipcom]

That free kick was all brought on by doors grundy didn't do jack @@@@. Just collingwood know how to work the umpires better.
Not just that goal I'm talking about the others when he was playing on Cloke.

Jack's back again up and running.

[Melbournehammer]

Dumb dumb dumb we are seriously showing something in a determination sense but we are completely thrown coming out of defence now, we simply have no targets and for god sake tadgh would you actually hit a target. Goodes then misses Jesse through his delay and white doesn't look good in his efforts

[Melbournehammer]

Lj then as only player within five metros of the ball spoils the ball about two metros into the collingwood hands

[Nico]

Have a real hard look at yourself Johnston. Should have marked that instead of the punch. Pretty weak.

[wolftone57]

lewis Jono should have taken the ball, inexperience

[gossipcom]

While that last goal was LJ was hopefully just inexperience on his part, should have marked it not tried to hit it out.

Good work by Goodes then for Maccas goal.

[Legs Akimbo]

Umpire gifts goal to the woods from non-existent free
Dawes marks it over the lines no call
Coldsack spins 480 degrees in a tackle and no free.

We are getting done by a better team, but it's hard when the other guys have 22 players and we only have 18.

BTW, welcome to the big league Lewis...

[Cheer Squad]

That was criminal! Why didn't he mark it???

[gossipcom]

Dawes marks it over the lines no call

Is it just me or have a few gone over the boundary line untouched and not been called?

Everitt's on. Jack gone for the night and probably for a few weeks (did the same ankle as before).

[Melbournehammer]

38 points to 11 over last forty minutes

[wolftone57]

Pln Currie at least he would sort a few of the oppo out

[Bas]

Catch the footage of the Swans supporter taunting the pies fans at about 4 mins to go at the end of the 2nd qtr. Very funny.

Jacks gone off now substituted.

[wolftone57]

POathetic delivery once again

[Legs Akimbo]

Collingwood beat us because they run harder. Watch how hard they run to position and when they spread. They are bloody sprinting. We are 3.4 pace jogging. i.e. they work harder than us. Mind you they do better than most teams on this but it has to be a big part of their success. Still, I expected a complete smashing by this stage and it hasn't happened so better than I had expected. Really impressed with our tackling and endeavour tonight, even if our skills are clearly second rate.

Another observation, I think we have seen the best of Adam Goodes. The question is whether from here he plateaus or goes into steep decline a la Chad Cornes.

[wolftone57]

Why don't we move more & set up out of defense. We know the Pies are going to press so why not totally upset them by criss crossing & blocking off the ball. The Hawks do it & it works against the Pies. Also the very short kick to posi to players willing to work hard. We are lazy that is why sides like the Pies & Blues find us easy.

[Swans500]

Is it just me or have a few gone over the boundary line untouched and not been called?

.
Its not just you....

[wolftone57]

By the way I think White is a failed AFL Footballer a bit like Fitzie, looks great, does the specky things but when it comes to the crunch is not up to it.

[Legs Akimbo]

Is it just me or have a few gone over the boundary line untouched and not been called?

Smithy's derriere pouted over the line and he was pinged.

[Panttz]

Loving watching this game, the boys are giving it a red hot crack.

[wolftone57]

There were 3 Pies marks in that quarter that were out on full

[wolftone57]

The comentators on TEN are so full of pies that they just let anything go

[Swans500]

I thought the same?! Each time, but no, apparently not....


There were 3 Pies marks in that quarter that were out on full

[Foreign Legion]

Its not just you....

Yep, I agree totally - I reckon 3 or 4 have been on the full but not called.

McVeigh is at least having a go this week. White's tackle on Harry O'Brien in that qtr was pathetic - I bet McGlynn or Jude would have got a good hold on him.

Left field idea - maybe chuck Goodesy in the ruck?? He seems in a bit of a rut and maybe the freedom might help. Yeah I know about his knee etc but Seaby is already beating Wood and we are still losing.

[mcs]

We are giving it a real hot go, but our skill errors and decision making really hurt us in that quarter. Umpires have been woeful, but I'm happy enough that we are still hanging on in the game- I was worried we would get pummelled all night. If we play the 4 quarters out we can keep it more than respectable, and if we stopped giving the Pies a leg up every 5 seconds with silly errors, who knows?

[Nico]

lewis Jono should have taken the ball, inexperience

Inexperience! Rubbish, if that was the 2's odds on he would have marked it. He has played more than enough footy to know he had to mark that time. He's in the big time tonight.

[Nico]

By the way I think White is a failed AFL Footballer a bit like Fitzie, looks great, does the specky things but when it comes to the crunch is not up to it.

Boarding house cup of tea; big and weak.

[Nico]

Pln Currie at least he would sort a few of the oppo out

Surely he is better than White.

[Nico]

Collingwood beat us because they run harder. Watch how hard they run to position and when they spread. They are bloody sprinting. We are 3.4 pace jogging. i.e. they work harder than us. Mind you they do better than most teams on this but it has to be a big part of their success. Still, I expected a complete smashing by this stage and it hasn't happened so better than I had expected. Really impressed with our tackling and endeavour tonight, even if our skills are clearly second rate.

Another observation, I think we have seen the best of Adam Goodes. The question is whether from here he plateaus or goes into steep decline a la Chad Cornes.

They are a little more desperate. Like Carlton last week they seem to win those close in contests and the ball squeezes out to them more often that not.

[ScottH]

Surely he is better than White.

That was an ordinary attempt at a mark, and then tackle a few mins later.

[ScottH]

I'm happy to give McVeigh another bake this week.
Had a good Qtr 1.

LJ has a booming kick on him. Should do more of the kick outs.

[Swans500]

What a different side we may have been if the Bradshaw gamble had worked...but, I think he was never really in the running with the pre condition injuries when he arrived to The Swans....

[Melbournehammer]

We really need a half from white and goodes to stand up and make some contests and mark occasionally.

[wolftone57]

i realise we are not in the same league as the Pies, Blues, Cats or Hawks but what peeves me is that the Umpies see fit to make it even more one sided by giving them easy kicks. The big earners for the AFL Pies, Blues, Cats & Bombers seem to get it good from the Umpies, I wonder if it has something to do with money as we can only get 38,000 into the SCG & are only getting 25 to 30k whereas these sides pull 40k plus every week. That free to Daws against Grundy was soft at best, I could not see a push at all, Daws just leapt forward, it is what I would call a dive & in the sub leagues would have been play on. We are a long way from the level needed to beat these blokes but we need to do things a bit differently. We are being opened up down the guts again, ala last week, we need to plug it. I would put Everrit in defence as a loose player & put Goodes in the mid for the rest of the game. He is just playing for frees in the f/line & they know how we set up with him so vary & take him out & let the forwards work on their own. I wish the big guys would lead to opposite sides of the ground or at least 40 metres apart.

[mpr104]

Call on ROK was harsh.

[Red]

Wow, exactly how much prior opportunity did ROK have for that HTB?

[Melbournehammer]

@@@@ing umpires get rok for holding the ball and then pies player does exactly the same holding the ball but gets let off

[Cheer_Cheer]

How was O'Keefe supposed of dispossed of that ? He had his left arm held.. Maggots..

[mpr104]

How many scrubbed kicks have we executed tonight!?

[Red]

I feel for Reg, he's getting a bath tonight.

What a week to have both Ted and AJ out!

[Legs Akimbo]

We're getting ripped a new one now. It is going to get ugly now. Stiff upper lip time.

[wolftone57]

At least if we had Currie in we might inadvertantly take a few of them out

[Red]

KJ has just hobbled out on crutches. This is going from bad to really bad :(

[wolftone57]

We are screwed & it is only going to get worse, time to hit the bottle

[mpr104]

Lucky to get away with that after error from Smith - our skills are hesitant and deplorable at times.

[Red]

Atta boy Marty!

[wolftone57]

Write that down to Bennie

[mpr104]

Nice goal from Mattner, ball bobbled our way eventually.

[mpr104]

gee wizz our game has become soft - nothing like the game I grew up watching - disgraceful decision!

[Legs Akimbo]

Bevo, Bevo, Bevo.... when will you learn son.

[bennyfabulous]

ridiculous decision umpire!

[Melbournehammer]

Bevo, Bevo, Bevo.... when will you learn son.

Mate bevo did what every player in the league does but just pathetic umpiring

[wolftone57]

That kick to Dawes was all of 5 metres

[Red]

Far out. If that was 15m, my head is on fire :mad:

[bennyfabulous]

That kick went less than 10m let alone 15m. We are being cheated here tonight.

[Legs Akimbo]

How could Blair not have been over the line then? Mein gott.

[Swans500]

ANOTHER out of bounds not called results in easy goal...

[wolftone57]

Well even the boundery Umps are on their side that was definitely out

[Red]

Another 'not over the boundary line' lets C'Wood in for a shot at goal. This time they convert.

[mpr104]

How could Blair not have been over the line then? Mein gott. Disgraceful decision.

[Melbournehammer]

And it would be really nice if goodes would go and get it instead of hanging around the edge of packs.

Why do we actually have four boundary umpires, is the benefit just for faster throw ins and allow the ball to keep going if it's near the line

[wolftone57]

Why don't our players hit the ball hard & tackle really hard, we are soft

[mpr104]

Nice goal from Jude!

[Legs Akimbo]

Nice ruck work from CB and Jude manages to ping a goal. Respite.

[Red]

Jude goals from a player-called play-on to advantage.

Watch Malthouse tear the umps a new one over their disgraceful performance tonight :rolleyes:

[Legs Akimbo]

Showing some heart and fight! Come on swans.

[mpr104]

two in a row! - Gooooooooooooodseeeeeeeeyyyyy!

[Red]

Goodes another one. Swans two goals in a minute!

[mpr104]

How was that different to the free paid against White?

[Red]

Then Cloakes shoves Reg out of the way and marks. Too easy, but no goal thankfully.

[wolftone57]

Now that is the way we have to play. U R right Goodsie has pulled out of a couple of packs & stayed at the side. We need to control the middle. Crap kick fron SR that time, we had lots of free players & he kicks to a contest

[Melbournehammer]

Sam Reid don't kick that ball we have five guys running past kick it long to where they will get not short where the ball will go right past them. So frustrating

[mpr104]

Our skills are shocking, we are only close because of their inaccuracy.

[wolftone57]

Why don't our blokes hit the body, what is the problem, knock the buggery out of them & make them doubt just like they do to us

[wolftone57]

Jesse White is a Resies footballer he is not good enough at this level

[Legs Akimbo]

Jesse White has issues. For such a big guy is is incredibly weak in a contested situation. Needs to hit the weights or something.

[Red]

Pendlebury -- silly turnover kick to Jude -- goal :)

[mpr104]

Jude nails another one, if we can sneak one more at last we will have a sniff in the last.

[wolftone57]

Gee, if it wasn't for thier mistakes we would be 100pts down

[Legs Akimbo]

We're actually having a pretty decent quarter, or is it they are rusty after the week off in Arizona or wherever they hibernate.

[Red]

Free paid against Leon Davis to Jude -- ends up with Macca -- another goal :) :)

[mpr104]

only 15 points down...

[wolftone57]

Golly the scoreboard is making us look good. Rather nice really. Nice to get a free though. Add insult a free & Ryno gets it

[Red]

Another one!! Swans only 9pts down!!!!!

[Legs Akimbo]

Ok - heart pumping. A real lift Great work and endeavour! Go Swannies.

[Red]

Amazing qtr. Swans 6.1 to 4.5. We shoulda got creamed, but we're right in it :)

[Cheer Squad]

We won the quarter. We can win the game. Keep it up boys!

[gossipcom]

Why is it I feel the sense that we've got our usual false hope going into the 4th Quarter before all hell will break loose? :)

Oh well at least it's good that we won a quarter against them 6 goals to 1.

[mcs]

Good finish to the quarter from the boys. They are giving it absolutely everything tonight, and while COllingwood should have killed us on the scoreboard if they had of kicked straight, they haven't and we have a sniff. Umpires have been absolutely woeful tonight!

COME ON BLOODS!!!!

[ScottH]

Reid had 2 players in the clear, including Goodes, and went over their head to a contest. Pies Goal.
White had the ball from a pies kick in. Handball into a pies player. Pies goal.

FFS.

BUT, I still think we will win this!!

[Peace]

Someone kill me please

[wolftone57]

Goodsie should start playing footy & stop playing for the free kick & appealing to the umpy all the time. I am sure it gives his teammates the @@@@s. It is hard trying to win a game when one bloke puts his hands in the air & the play goes on & his player is the one with the ball. Get on with the game Goodsie & bloody tackle your opponent, not let him go & create the loose man.

[Frog]

Someone kill me please
You'll miss the last quarter ... Do you really want to? Isn't a regulation heart attack much better?

[Melbournehammer]

Goodsie should start playing footy & stop playing for the free kick & appealing to the umpy all the time. I am sure it gives his teammates the @@@@s. It is hard trying to win a game when one bloke puts his hands in the air & the play goes on & his player is the one with the ball. Get on with the game Goodsie & bloody tackle your opponent, not let him go & create the loose man.

I can't agree more. I reckon he is one of the best players I have ever seen play but seriously would he just get the ball , play in front and demonstrate to them that this how you win games

[wolftone57]

Did anyone bother to notice, even when we win a quarter we had less scoring shots. We have been our 50 1/2 as many as them. If we win it will be a miracle

[Bas]

Outstanding effort by the Swans. Their best performance for the year. Seaby has really stood out tonight.

I expect the mugpies to hit back very hard after the Malthouse blast.

It will give the boys great encouragement for the rest of the year. The bye has affected them but they will still win.

[Red]

LRT starts the last qtr on Cloake, Reg on Dawes.

[wolftone57]

Did you see what Kracker did to win that free, just throw yourself backward even though not being held

[Red]

Kennedy to Goodes in the goal square -- mark & goal!!!

Swans down by 3 :)

[Legs Akimbo]

Goodes! 4 points.

[Melbournehammer]

This has been the most terribly umpired game.

[bennyfabulous]

The umpires are cheating! What a @@@@ing joke!

[Red]

Unbelievably soft free against Reg :mad:

Only a point (phew)

[Legs Akimbo]

What was the free against ROK for and then Grundy gets a handfull of the ball in front of the umpire who ignores it and gives Dawes the mark anyway.

[gossipcom]

Even though the cynic in me still thinks we won't win that was a wicked goal by McVeigh. :)

[Legs Akimbo]

OMFG - Goodes has responded to my criticism and is on fire.

[bennyfabulous]

I take it back Goodsey, your alright!

[Melbournehammer]

Cmon bloods cmon

[Red]

Macca from 60m. Swans down by 1 point!!!

[wolftone57]

The Pies can only blame themselves, cocky bastards, they just took it for granted

[sharp9]

I'll take the draw!!!!!!!!! :-)

[Red]

Monster point from Sam -- Swans hit the front :)

[Frog]

I'll take the draw!!!!!!!!! :-)
No way - This close, we can win!!

[Cardinal]

Pies coming off the bye.................

[gossipcom]

Watching Malthouse in the box just shaking his head all night has been the most amusing part of the evening.

Oh well it was good while it lasted. :D

[Red]

Oh no -- Tige :( :(

[wolftone57]

Sorry but that is the reason we won't win, kennelly a really basic error, no more go home next year

[Melbournehammer]

Tadgh for the twentieth time this season turns the ball over at half back with a stupid handball would he just do the easy thing from time to time

[Bas]

The football gods are with the Swans at the moment.

The Swans are moral winners tonight but that mugpie goal might just set them off for a few more though

[Red]

Behind to Bevo. Down by 1 goal

[wolftone57]

all the top sides hit the body hard we don't, we seem to be a metre off. Hit the buggers hard & they might think twice

[bennyfabulous]

Honestly. Im more one-eyed than most but we are being crucified by the umps. The advantage paid then stopped then bird taken high and nothing in the marking contest. Please just give us a fair go. FFS

[Red]

Cloake goals. Pulls his usual troll face. Pies by 12.

[Melbournehammer]

Bird twice in the forward fifty not quite strong enough or smart enough. Protect the space and take the man don't let the ball come out -still I'm prepared to acknowledge sheer exhaustion

[Red]

God, the maggots are killing us.

[Legs Akimbo]

A brave brave attempt, but I think we are out of legs

[wolftone57]

Good example White had a chance to attack the ball & hung back until the Pies player hit the ball hard

[Legs Akimbo]

Bird twice in the forward fifty not quite strong enough or smart enough. Protect the space and take the man don't let the ball come out -still I'm prepared to acknowledge sheer exhaustion

He actually looks to be sore. I hope it is not his foot. I suspect he should not be out there.

[gossipcom]

That's probably the best I've seen the guys play against them in quite a while even though we won't win.



He actually looks to be sore. I hope it is not his foot. I suspect he should not be out there.
I thought the same thing, looked like he was limping.

Speaking of limping, Jesse went off limping.

[Legs Akimbo]

Nice work McVeigh

[Red]

50m to Davis -- 1 point.

Maggots not quite that time

[Red]

Tige to Goodes 40m out. Kicks -- goals!

C'MON!!!

[wolftone57]

We are battling it out much better than last week

[Melbournehammer]

The umpires have just been pathetic. Every single fifty fifty tonight has gone Collingwoods way

Now that shows why playing in front works and that's why tadgh should stop the dinky handballs at half back he is a good kick but he is trying to often to do the 7-10 metre kick and handball

[bennyfabulous]

This is what i want to see you doing goodesy. Just beat your opposition with your superior skill.

[Donners]

Come on, has everyone forgotten all the cheap frees we got in the first half? Skill errors have let us down; nothing to do with umpiring.

[wolftone57]

Should have been a 50 as the pies bloke kicked it

[Red]

rushed behind to Swans. Pies by 1 goal. 30 min gone.

[Bas]

All over red rover.

Very proud of the boys effort tonight. Deserved to win as it was their best team effort this year.

Cruel result to get so close. However, it just shows how good the team will get in the future.

[Donners]

What on earth was Hanners doing there?

[Legs Akimbo]

Sad but I am sadly proud

[Red]

Game over -- pies by 1 goal :(

[sharp9]

You know...if we stopped doing absolutely STUPID, PATHETIC choices and errors we might not be too bad. A bit of fair treatment in the soft decisions department would be good too!

[Melbournehammer]

Really well played boys really well played.

Jesse white may not be a ff but he actually played really well in the ruck. And when the ball hits the ground he looks a lot better.

[cruiser]

And so it continues. Another loss to Collingwood and another loss to a top 4 team. We are just fodder for the top 4 this season.

[Big Al]

Great effort by the boys against the best team in the comp. As David King said on 360 recently the Swans are a great team to follow because you know your going to get an effort each and every week.

Gotta love this club...

[Swans500]

Take out Grundys' at least 5 goal giveaways and.....what do you have?....

[Cpt. Kirk]

All over red rover.

Very proud of the boys effort tonight. Deserved to win as it was their best team effort this year.

Cruel result to get so close. However, it just shows how good the team will get in the future.

This

[Melbournehammer]

Hoping lions can come back...

[Legs Akimbo]

Kudos to Goodes second half, ROK, Kennedy, Seaby, Tadhg, and Smith.

[mpr104]

Great effort by the team, certainly makes that no-goal paid to Ball hurt even more.

[bennyfabulous]

Happy with the fight. Good effort boys.

[ScottH]

And so it continues. Another loss to Collingwood and another loss to a top 4 team. We are just fodder for the top 4 this season.

Harsh mate.

Pies let us in the game with their poor kicking.

We played terrific, just made some silly errors at critical times.

I'm damn proud of the effort they put in tonight. I hate losing to Collingwood as much as the next person.
But after last weeks poor effort, I'm more than happy with the closeness of the game. I tipped a drubbing.

[ScottH]

I feel for Reg, he's getting a bath tonight.

What a week to have both Ted and AJ out!

I reckon they would have made a HUGE difference. REally missed Ted out there tonight.

[mpr104]

Good effort boys. Spot on, they never gave up, Collingwood easily won the inside 50s and kept us in the game in the 3rd quarter with their kicking, but the boys were gutsy and while not a win, it is a far different feeling to last week.

[mcs]

I think that 50 against McVeigh was ridiculous- plus the 50 was about 95 - a true 50 would have been not even inside the F50!

What a shame we couldn't find that way to get over the line. But that was an absolutely sensational effort from the boys- I am so proud of them. After last week's debacle I really feared for tonight's game, but while we were helped by the Pies inaccurate kicking,the effort we put in really did keep us in the game, and had it been for a bounce of the ball or two, we may of won the game. Lots and lots of positives to take from tonight.

Tonight showed just what potential our team has. It might sound strange, but that might be the most important loss of the season - we might just have realised that we are good enough to genuinely compete with the best teams. The young guys especially will take a lot from tonights effort.

We had a lot of excellent performances tonight- but I want to give Mcveigh a shout. I gave him a real serve from the boundary line last week against Carlton. He stood up tonight and played much much better- leading like a Captain should and I hope my spray may have helped in that! :)

[wolftone57]

If you think we were good tonight think again, we were good in parts but we need to learn how to deliver the ball by hand & foot correctly. We don't have the ball skills at this stage to take on the big sides & if the Pies had kicked strait we would have been slaughtered. I like the fact that under pressure tharted to doubt themselves, unfortunately our blokes didn't believe they could win by giving the ball up far too easily. the same story too much bad delivery & if Adam Goodes is a Captain I wish he would start acting like one instead of playing for frees all day. It gives a bad example to the rest of the team. Roosie used to pull him in line & tell him to get real but Horse seems happy to let him play for frees. Ok, he kicked a few goals but 2 of them were gifts, he needs to get more involved & being in the forward line is not the way. He is much better out of the square. well done to the boys tonight as we were not expected to even get within a league of this mob

[Peace]

This is the best I have felt after a collingwood game... I don't know what that means bit I think it's a good thing.

[mpr104]

unfortunately our blokes didn't believe they could win Interesting point, the game was there for the taking, but maybe the self belief after 6 years of copping it from them wasn't.

[Red]

Kudos to Goodes second half, ROK, Kennedy, Seaby, Tadhg, and Smith.

Maybe take Tige out of that list and I'm with you. He tried hard but was chasing all night. And let's not mention that handball ...

Seabs - love him. Dominant performance tonight.

Big effort by Macca, the best I've seen him put in for a while.

Smith is just awesome IMO. Grace under fire week in, week out. His biggest test tonight and he didn't disappoint.

Jesse & Bevo really had a crack tonight. Not easy to come back in against the competition benchmark after months in the 2's.

A HUGH improvement in effort by everyone from last week. Odd as it sounds it was easier to watch this loss to Collingwood than the win against Richmond.

[Big Al]

This is the best I have felt after a collingwood game... I don't know what that means bit I think it's a good thing.

Means your proud of the effort like most of us. Although you'll get the odd few who can't resist a whinge. Let them wallow because I'm a proud Swans supporter tonight because not only did the get within a kick of the reigning premiers and best team in the comp but I think they showed that within a couple of years our premiership window will be wide open and who would dare to bet against us jumping through that window.

[Melbournehammer]

We just need to come out and start against Adelaide like we finished here. We need to get out and stuff them really early and show that we are a genuine top eight side and not just a side that plays at the level of it's opponent

[Cheer Squad]

So close yet so far. Our best effort against them for years. Pity the umpiring cost us the game.

[Big Al]

So close yet so far. Our best effort against them for years. Pity the umpiring cost us the game.

We rarely agree CS but on the umpires we are hand in hand. They are utter rubbish and seem to pander to certain clubs like the Pies. They are a bloody joke.

[Cheer Squad]

Our effort was great, but once again, we win the third and fourth quarter, but get let down by a slow start. At least this time the game was well and truly alive in the fourth quarter.

[ScottH]

I think we say it week after week, BUT how bloody good is Josh P Kennedy??
We'd be a bottom 8 team without him.

Fantastic stuff Joey!!

[Big Al]

Our effort was great, but once again, we win the third and fourth quarter, but get let down by a slow start. At least this time the game was well and truly alive in the fourth quarter.

I thought we started quite well. They got to a 5 goal lead in the third term before we pegged them back. Apart from that we were near them for most of the game.

[Big Al]

I think we say it week after week, BUT how bloody good is Josh P Kennedy??
We'd be a bottom 8 team without him.

Fantastic stuff Joey!!

+1 Amazing player.

[ScottH]

And another player that the commentators said had a bad game was Shaw.
Sorry how much influence did Daisy have on the game tonight??

[wolftone57]

Come on, has everyone forgotten all the cheap frees we got in the first half? Skill errors have let us down; nothing to do with umpiring.

Where were u I noticed a few cheap Pies frees in both halves but cheapies for us? Where exactly were they? In the forward line lioke theirs, no! In the Centre line like theirs, no! Oh in the back half, at CHB, HBF, KWL! So thats our cheap frees, theirs got goals or points, as Dawes push against Grundy, all he did was lunge forwars & the Umpie blew it up. The replay clearly showed Grundy not interfering at all just holding ground after Dawes over ran the contest. There were several incidents in the last that should have gone our way in close situations but they only went theirs. ROK push in back;ignored, Kennedy push in back;ignored, Hannaberry push in face;ignored, Swann too long in tackle; free kick. I don't think we did badly but I don't think the Umpies did well & if a team is Pies, Blues, Bombers or Cats who draw crowds in Melb then they get a good go

[Foreign Legion]

Not a bad effort from the Swans tonight - but the bloke we miss is G.Rohan.

...if we get him back we are a 2 goal better side imho.

[Swans500]

Looking ahead...we have very winable games right up to round 23!!!!....based on tonights' endeavour....

[top40]

And so it continues. Another loss to Collingwood and another loss to a top 4 team. We are just fodder for the top 4 this season.

Cruiser you have grown very cynical. You would have loved the atmosphere if you'd been there. And the guy who usually sits next to you at ANZ is feeling mildly satisfied by our brave defeat.

[wolftone57]

Means your proud of the effort like most of us. Although you'll get the odd few who can't resist a whinge. Let them wallow because I'm a proud Swans supporter tonight because not only did the get within a kick of the reigning premiers and best team in the comp but I think they showed that within a couple of years our premiership window will be wide open and who would dare to bet against us jumping through that window.

Get with the plot Big Al haven't you heard lately, these guys have been beaten this year by Geelong, so I think that makes the Cats the best in the comp at the moment as they have not lost a game. it peeves me when people make claims for an opponent that are clearly untrue. I saw the Pies/Cats game on Telly & the Cats were definitely the best team even with injuries (No Ottens, Scarlett etc), the Pies full team. I believe the Blues & the Hawks will beat the Pies & next week have a cool 50 on the Hawks especially at the G as I believe their young group will kill the Pies for hardness. That is what we lack, we need to be harder, give Currie a go as he is really hard & gives no quarter. I like Seabs since he has come back but if we have to do another 2c without Mummy then bring the young bloke in & give him a go. White is crap!!!!! Jesse is too easily knocked out of the contest for a man of his size, same as Fitzie, looks good but delivers dead nuts.

[Nico]

No mention of Bird as yet. He appeared to get plenty of the footy and was in everything when the ball hit the ground. Plenty of praise is heaped on Kennedy but I reckon Bird covers more ground than him and his follow up work is excellent.

[ScottH]

No mention of Bird as yet. He appeared to get plenty of the footy and was in everything when the ball hit the ground. Plenty of praise is heaped on Kennedy but I reckon Bird covers more ground than him and his follow up work is excellent.

Sure, but Bird doesn't do as much with it.
Some lazy efforts at times I thought.

[wolftone57]

No mention of Bird as yet. He appeared to get plenty of the footy and was in everything when the ball hit the ground. Plenty of praise is heaped on Kennedy but I reckon Bird covers more ground than him and his follow up work is excellent.

both Birdie & Kanga played very well but it was Kanga that broke the packs when it counted in the last half & if he had of got the free he should have in the last it may have been a different result. Bolts stepped up in the last 3 after a laMENTABLE 1ST. I wish Jesse was our saviour in attack & 2nd ruck but I don't think so. LRT was a bit out of touch down back as he has been playing forward too long. I thought he could have played the whole game back last week & should have, just bad coaching. We contested very well in the last half as we were killed in the first & if not for their bad kicking we would have been looking at a thrashing at half time. We were good after half time as I think our blokes truly believed for the first time in ages they could win. Just bad luck & a bit of bad umpiring in the end.

[ugg]

This is my analysis.

Before the game I thought 3 things had to happen for us to win.

1. Collingwood had to play below par. TICK
2. We had to play above par. TICK
3. We had to get lucky. A BIT EACH WAY

It was a great effort, especially when you contrast it to last week's game, but in reality Collingwood should have had it wrapped up by 3 quarter time. That's why ol' Micky was so testy on the sidelines. They were the number 1 side in goalkicking accuracy going into this game. You'll never see Daisy Thomas miss 3 shots like those again.

Our ball use, in particular going forward is a mess - we rely too much on having players run forward into space rather than have proper forwards leading out from the forward line. Hawthorn showed yesterday that you don't need to have big, dominant forwards to kick goals, you need a good structure in place combined with good skills. Down the other end, I really felt for Reg and LRT as Cloke and Dawes were just too big. One-on-one there aren't many defenders who can go with them and their contested marking. They needed help down back but the other defenders were too focussed on the Pies' smalls to really give our talls a hand.

Horse deserves credit for the game plan tonight though. The second quarter aside, we weren't sucked into the vortex that is the Collingwood forward press and did manage to break it often. Using LJ at the kick-ins was a surprise and should be persevered with. He offers something different from the usual suspects Kennelly, Malceski, Mattner and Shaw - in particular his ability to clear the 50m line and beyond to break the congestion of the zone.

Losing KJ will be a big blow, not sure what the prognosis is but let's hope he's not out for too long. While guys like JPK and ROK are integral parts of the midfield setup, if they went down (touch wood) it wouldn't be so bad as we have similar types in Moore or Parker to replace them but we don't have anyone who can give us KJ's clean ball-winning ability from the stoppages.

[Big Al]

Get with the plot Big Al haven't you heard lately, these guys have been beaten this year by Geelong, so I think that makes the Cats the best in the comp at the moment as they have not lost a game. it peeves me when people make claims for an opponent that are clearly untrue. I saw the Pies/Cats game on Telly & the Cats were definitely the best team even with injuries (No Ottens, Scarlett etc), the Pies full team. I believe the Blues & the Hawks will beat the Pies & next week have a cool 50 on the Hawks especially at the G as I believe their young group will kill the Pies for hardness. That is what we lack, we need to be harder, give Currie a go as he is really hard & gives no quarter. I like Seabs since he has come back but if we have to do another 2c without Mummy then bring the young bloke in & give him a go. White is crap!!!!! Jesse is too easily knocked out of the contest for a man of his size, same as Fitzie, looks good but delivers dead nuts.

Cats won by only 3 points so I'm entitled to my opinion to think the Pies are still the benchmark. If you watch all the AFL shows you'll find that most commentators hold that same belief. So I'm pretty up with the plot thanks.

Agree on White (he's frustrating isn't he) but I'm not convinced on Currie to be honest. I watch a lot of reserves and while he goes okay j just have my doubts he can make that next step. Pyke is the one we need to bring back. He looked short of a gallop today but after a couple of runs in the Ressies I'm sure he'll be knocking on the door of selection.

[R-1]

I think I need to take back some bad things I've said about Jarrad McVeigh.

[Nico]

Sure, but Bird doesn't do as much with it.
Some lazy efforts at times I thought.

Gee Scott I could argue that Kennedy just blazes away going forward. A couple of times in the last quarter he was clear going forward of centre and went wide to a contest when it was clear that when we went direct to about 20 metres out the Pies defence got shaky. What both Bird and Kennedy did in the second half was get boot to ball under pressure which seemed to catch Collingwood out and make it a one on one contest with the ball bouncing and bobbing around. What we did better this week was have players inside 50 metres at the contest, rather than the opposing defenders being let just whisk the ball away.

[dimelb]

Terrific effort from the boys tonight. I'm not prepared to say the umps cost us the game, there were other ways we could have won/avoided losing. But an exciting and immensely encouraging performance from blokes all over the park. Macca, Josh, Seaby, Hanners, Goodes, Bird (who had good reason to be exhausted), Reid, Shaw (great game on Dale Haircut, who irritates the life out of me, wonderful to see Rhyce getting up his nose). Add Marty, ROK, Bevo, Jack while he was on the ground, Jesse in the ruck and at times around the ground, Malceski, where do you stop? We put on fantastic pressure, as good as anything I've seen from the group this season, and Collingwood were making mistakes.
And I take no notice of the "If Collingwood had kicked straight ..."; there have been times we haven't kicked straight and it was our fault, the boot was on the other foot tonight, or the chewy was on the other boot, or something, and if my aunt had cojones she'd be my uncle, and so on.
It might be the happiest loss I've ever seen.

[Go Swannies]

I'm just home and can't believe any of the negative comments were from anyone at the game. The Pies are a great team with awesome skills. But we looked the harder team at the end - though they straightened out enough to win as champion teams do. I'm guessing that the negatives were from those watching on TV and being brainwashed by the Pie fan commentators. If Goodes started the game as he finished we would have won comfortably. Macca was on fire (the first time for a few years?), Bird was in everything. If you think we were sloppy you weren't seeing the pressure out there. And, although we let them get free a few times - as we did (!) our structure was so much better and we looked a lot better team than we have in a lot of our sloppy wins. If (make that IF) we keep playing like that we won't lose many games for the rest of the year.

I hate the 'honourable loss' idea but if there is one we had it tonight. And I would have paid a year's membership just to hear the ground go off when we went in front in Q4. Good times ahead I'm thinking.

[Nico]

I think I need to take back some bad things I've said about Jarrad McVeigh.

Why? He desereved a bake after last week and to his credit had a real go, but that 50 metres was plain dumb.

[alison.z]

Probably happiest I've ever been after a loss and a little disappointed at some of the negativity ... Sure we didn't win but we had to respond after last week and we certainly did. We went in with a host of new players and played a different style to much of this year and it nearly worked ... A lot of positives from tonight for me and it can really set us up for the second half of the year.

[Big Al]

I think I need to take back some bad things I've said about Jarrad McVeigh.

No need, he's been rubbish this year so you've been spot on but he was a lot better tonight. Keeps improving like that and he'll be back to playing the football we know he's capable of.

[ernie koala]

Couple of things cost us tonight IMO.... And it wasn't the umpires.

Firstly, I would of liked to see LRT go the Cloke a lot earlier.

Secondly, and obviously,we desperately need a target, and goal kicker, up forward. It would make a huge difference.

Loved the way we took the game on tonight, let's hope it continues.

And loved the long bomb up the centre kick ins with a ruckmen in the area. Reminded me of our kick ins to Dunks back in the 90's.

[erica]

Well, I haven't enjoyed a loss so much in ages. Had the pleasure of screaming for my team and wishing, hope against hope, that we could will them over the line. Mumford, Rohan and Richards were sitting directly behind us in the stand and were getting right into the game. Lovely blokes.

[R-1]

I usually hate reading "brave" and "gutsy" and "valiant"". Those are North Melbourne words for tough but not very good (or Gold Coast now, meaning talented but completely disorganised). But yeah. They'll be right this time.

[Red]

We had a lot of excellent performances tonight- but I want to give Mcveigh a shout. I gave him a real serve from the boundary line last week against Carlton. He stood up tonight and played much much better- leading like a Captain should and I hope my spray may have helped in that! :)
Whatever you said to him MCS, make sure you say it again next week :)

[Cheer Squad]

This is the best I have felt after a collingwood game... I don't know what that means bit I think it's a good thing.

As it was the first time in six years we've been competitive against Collingwood, let's hope it means that our drought against them is almost finished.

[mcs]

Why? He desereved a bake after last week and to his credit had a real go, but that 50 metres was plain dumb.

I hardly think it was on purpose- I really thought he just accidently passed the ball back too hard and it went over the Pies players head. Anyway- the crime in that 50 was not so much the 50 but the Umpires measurement of 50- it was closer to about 90 as it was on the back end of the square at our defending end and the mark he set was I thought about 12-15 metres inside their forward 50.

Mcveigh had a real go tonight- he just needs to do that every week though!

[Captain]

Amazing, gutsy performance. Happiest I have ever been after a loss.

Need this form to be kept for the next month or so. A loss to the Crows next week was be devestating.

[AnnieH]

I H.A.T.E. that train ride home. It's the train ride from hell. It was slower than ... and I only had to go one stop. Maybe if the players had to catch that train back to Central, they'd endeavour to just try that little bit harder next year!!

Can you say that was a fantastic loss??? I honestly thought we'd lose by much more, but I forgot that Nathan Buckley is their behinds coach and as usual, a job well done!! We would have been slaughtered by a whole lot more had their kicking been straight. We had some pretty bad turnovers, and sadly, yet again, it was a bit of a case of too much too little too late. Gotta learn to play the whole four quarters like the game is close and there's five minutes to go!!

If only we had five more minutes!!