Round 15: Gold Coast Suns Reserves v Sydney Swans Reserves

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NEAFL Round 15
Gold Coast Suns Reserves v Sydney Swans Reserves
Saturday 9th July 2011 3.00pm
Metricon Stadium

The Ressies face arguably their toughest task of the season when they play the Suns Reserves who are 2nd in the Northern Conference.

Eastern Conference Ladder
Team|Played|Wins|Losses|Draws|Byes|%Won|For|Agains t|Percentage
Reserves|11|11|0|0|1|100.00%|1428|471|303.18%
Ainslie|10|7|3|0|2|70.00%|986|840|117.38%
GWS|10|6|4|0|2|60.00%|937|806|116.25%
Eastlake|10|4|6|0|2|40.00%|835|916|91.16%
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Tuggeranong|10|4|6|0|2|40.00%|829|1143|72.53%
Queanbeyan|10|3|7|0|2|30.00%|860|1148|74.91%
Belconnen|11|1|10|0|1|9.09%|694|1312|52.90%

Northern Conference Ladder
Team|Played|Wins|Losses|Draws|For|Against|Percenta ge|Pts
NT Thunder|12|11|1|0|1411|926|152.38%|44
Gold Coast Suns|12|8|4|0|1115|984|113.31%|32
Mt Gravatt|12|8|4|0|1191|1059|112.46%|32
Aspley|12|7|5|0|1126|1048|107.44%|28
Morningside|12|6|6|0|1096|1184|92.57%|24
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Redland|12|5|7|0|1191|1196|99.58%|20
Broadbeach|12|5|7|0|1055|1111|94.96%|20
Labrador|12|4|8|0|886|1105|80.18%|16
Brisbane Lions|12|3|9|0|1106|1179|93.81%|12
Southport|12|3|9|0|920|1238|74.31%|12


Past Meetings
2011
R7 Reserves 18.12 (120) defeated Gold Coast Reserves 3.10 (28)
Another relocated wet-weather game to Lakeside Oval saw the Reserves defeat the Suns with surprising ease. Jarred Moore starred in the damp conditions with his grunt work out of the middle while Trent Dennis-Lane destroyed Suns defenders Josh Toy and Harley Bennell with a 7 goal haul.

Goals: Dennis-Lane 7 Johnston 3 Meredith 2 Malceski McKaigue Robinson A.Moody Bevan Seaby
Best: Moore Dennis-Lane Meredith White McNeil Bevan Seaby

Recent Form
Reserves
R1 BYE
R2 WIN Away Eastlake 83-33
R3 WIN Home Belconnen 138-29
R4 BYE
R5 WIN Home Tuggeranong 123-12
R6 WIN Away GWS 87-27
R7 WIN Home Gold Coast Reserves 120-28
R8 BYE
R9 WIN Away Ainslie 124-74
R10 WIN Away Brisbane Reserves 104-97
R11 WIN Home Queanbeyan 102-53
R12 WIN Away GWS 115-29
R13 WIN Home Queanbeyan 220-32
R14 WIN Away Tuggeraong 212-57

Gold Coast
R1 LOSS Home Mt Gravatt 71-99
R2 LOSS Away NT Thunder 72-81
R3 WIN Home Aspley 112-79
R4 WIN Away Labrador 90-58
R5 WIN Away Mt Gravatt 88-75
R6 WIN Home Brisbane Lions Reserves 103-63
R7 LOSS Away Sydney Swans Reserves 28-120
R8 BYE
R9 WIN Home Southport 113-77
R10 LOSS Away GWS 74-111
R11 WIN Home Morningside 82-80
R12 BYE
R13 WIN Away Redland 127-81
R14 WIN Away Southport 155-60

Last Round
Tuggeranong 8.9 (57) defeated by Reserves 33.14 (212)
The Reserves kicked 33 goals for the 2nd week in a row as they extended their unbeaten run to 11 games. Dennis-Lane improved on his 9 goal haul the previous week by 3, while Matt Spangher proved to be a revelation as a leading forward/back up ruckman.

Goal Kickers: Dennis-Lane 12 Spangher 5 Gordon Meredith Johnston 3 Currie 2 Wales May A.Moody McNeil Robinson
Best Players: Sumner Currie Gordon Dennis-Lane Meredith Moore


Southport 9.6 (60) defeated by Gold Coast Reserves 24.11 (155)
An easy win over the cellar dwellars was led by midfielders Daniel Harris, Harley Bennell and Rex Liddy with giant forward Charlie Dixon capitalising on his opportunities to finish in double figures

Goal Kickers: Dixon 11 Bennell 3 N.Ablett Toy 2 J.Stanley Harris Liddy Alderson Quigley Callinan
Best Players: Bennell Liddy Dixon Thompson Harris Ablett

Team List
Listed players
#|Name|Games|Goals|Votes|Notes
1|Mark SEABY|5|3|4|Senior emergency
7|Brett MEREDITH|9|10|14|
13|Andrejs EVERITT|2|2|0|
18|Jesse WHITE|6|15|7|
22|Byron SUMNER|9|4|26|
23|Lewis JOHNSTON|9|7|15|
26|Luke PARKER|8|5|18|Senior emergency
28|Dylan McNEIL|11|6|16|
33|Jarred MOORE|9|10|19|Senior emergency
35|Campbell HEATH|6|3|14|
36|Chris McKAIGUE|11|1|11|
42|Paul BEVAN|5|9|17|
43|Eugene KRUGER|11|2|4|
44|Max OTTEN|10|2|0|
45|Nathan GORDON|9|19|26|

Changes
In: Seaby (senior demotion), Everitt (senior demotion), White (senior demotion), Parker (senior demotion), Heath (???), Bevan (senior demotion)
Out: Trent Dennis-Lane (foot), Daniel Currie (???), Gary Rohan (hamstring), Matthew Spangher (senior promotion)

There are major changes with 6 ins, 5 being dropped from the senior team, with 4 outs mainly due to injury which should result in a big shuffle-around.

Dennis-Lane, Spangher and to a lesser extent Currie have been the major source of goals in the past month and now the responsibilty will have to fall on the likes of White, Bevan, Johnston and/or Everitt. White is set to reprise his forward-backup ruck to Seaby role due to Currie's absence.

Parker will add some bite to the midfield setup and has a prospective clash against hardnut Daniel Harris. In defence, there is no obvious matchup for a forward of the size of Dixon who gave Lewis Johnston trouble in the previous game between these two sides. Everitt has been named at CHB but he will have similar weight issues playing on Dixon.
Academy Players/Topups (one to be omitted)
#|Name|Games|Goals|Votes|Notes
49|Nathan KENNY|8|0|0|
53|Kane MURPHY|8|8|9|
54|Tim WALES|8|1|0|
?|Andrew MOODY|5|3|0|#47 last week
?|Eric MOODY|4|4|0|#48 last week
?|Stephen WRAY|3|0|0|#53 last week
?|Mitch CRAWFORD|2|0|0|#52 last week
?|Rory PRYOR|0|0|0|

Changes
In: Pryor, Murphy
Out: Mitch May, Daniel Robinson

The RAMS finished their championships during the week so we'll hopefully get some of the regulars back soon in Potter, Guthrie and Lynch. Not sure what's happened to Mitch Thompson and Kane Murphy who have played so well.

Reserves leading goalkickers


Trent Dennis-Lane 48
Nathan Gordon 19
Jesse White 15

For full list: 2011 Leading goalkickers - RWOwiki (http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/wiki/index.php?title=2011_Goalkickers)

Reserves leading votegetters


Nathan Gordon, Byron Sumner 26
Daniel Currie 20
Jarred Moore 19

For full list: 2011 Best votes - RWOwiki (http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/wiki/index.php?title=2011_Best_votes)

Talking points


Everitt - Hasn't played much football lately due to sub duties, will he line up in defence or attack?
Seaby - How will be the big Seabs rebound from getting dropped? The GC have some young and athletic ruckmen who could test Seaby in his work around the ground?
Johnston - Will this be the game that Lewis gets re-instated as a full time forward. I realise that Spangher has a bit more body size than him, but I think it might have rankled Lewis just a little to have a defender get the call up as a forward over him.

Gold Coast squad


1. Marc LOCK
4. Maverick WELLER
12. Jack STANLAKE
14. Nathan KRAKOUER
19. Joseph DAYE
20. Josh TOY
21. Daniel HARRIS
22. Tom NICHOLLS
23. Charlie DIXON
27. Michael COAD
29. Taylor HINE
31. Jack STANLEY
33. Rex LIDDY
34. Jack HUTCHINS
40. Tom HICKEY
43. Liam PATRICK
45. Steven MAY
48. Seb TAPE
49. Jacob GILLBEE
50. Jeremy TAYLOR
51. Jake CRAWFORD
52. Joel TIPPETT
Topup B.McNIECE
Topup S.FAURE


In: Lock, Weller, Coad, Hutchins, Patrick, Tape, Crawford, McNiece, Faure
Out: Nathan ABLETT, Tyron ALDERSON, Harley BENNELL, Zachary CALLINAN, Matthew QUIGLEY, Regan SALTER, Rory THOMPSON, Nathan TREVENA

Some experienced players in that squad in Harris, Krakouer and Coad to complement the exciting youngsters

Summary
Will the effects of having such an easy two weeks be deletorious to the Reserves' chances of winning this match? Regardless of the result, the coaches will be looking forward to the tougher competition that this match promises and hopefully it won't be as much of a cakewalk as the Round 7 game.

[Primmy]

This should be interesting; proper competition!

ugg, what have they done with my boy Kane?

[Nich]

Thanks ugg - appreciate all your work!!

[ScottH]

1) How does this cross pollination competing affect the ladders??
2) I thought Southport were a strong club.
3) Daniel Harris in the 2's?? No wonder he's tearing it up.

4) great work mate.

[liz]

Rory Pryor is listed on the Academy intake page.

There was a Lachlan Pryor who played a few games as a toppie for the reserves a few years back and who then got a scholarship with the Kangaroos. He didn't get a spot on the Roos list, and now plays for North Shore, I think. I believe he has also made some SFL representative squads. Highly likely that this is younger brother, given he also seems to be a North Shore listed affiliated player.

[BeeEmmAre]

Absolutely correct, as usual Liz, and great work again ugg.

Rory Pryor is indeed the younger brother of Lachlan and has broken into the North Shore seniors this season. He joined Brandon Jack as a NAB Rising Star nominee last week (Sydney AFL - SportingPulse (http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-1047-0-0-0&sID=53282&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=16235060&sectionID=53282)).

[BeeEmmAre]

Oh, and ugg, I have word that the Swans' official teamsheet currently contains just 21 names, and Jarred Moore and Luke Parker are not on it. Presumably back up for Nick Smith and Kieren Jack in the seniors. Wonder what that means?

[BeeEmmAre]

Sorry, made a mistake. It's Brett Meredith who is not on the teamlist. And he's not an emergency. Know even less what to read into that.

[AnnieH]

I'm spewing they're not playing closer to home.
This is the first weekend I've missed a live game - reserves or seniors - since easter.

[liz]

I'm spewing they're not playing closer to home.
This is the first weekend I've missed a live game - reserves or seniors - since easter.

Get yourself on a plane and fly up to Gold Coast and then you can get to watch both games.

[stellation]

Get yourself on a plane and fly up to Gold Coast and then you can get to watch both games.

No need for a plane, I'm sure Annie has a broom that flies.

[AnnieH]

Thanks Stell ... I actually have a few!!

I would have gone to the Gold Coast, but I flew over it when I went to Brisvegas and saw it from the plane window ... that was plenty close enough thank you.

SE Qld seriously sucks. Now I know why I've always gone straight to Cairns.

[stellation]

Thanks Stell ... I actually have a few!!
Wholovesyababy! :cool:

[Kirkari]

...deletorious...

Thanks Ugg. Poor Seabs.

+10 points for correct usage. -0.5 for spelling. It's deleterious. I'm only correcting you because I had to look it up and I'd like to see it used more!

[liz]

Thanks Stell ... I actually have a few!!

I would have gone to the Gold Coast, but I flew over it when I went to Brisvegas and saw it from the plane window ... that was plenty close enough thank you.

SE Qld seriously sucks. Now I know why I've always gone straight to Cairns.

If you're not inclined to go to the Gold Coast, you could always trek over to BOP on Sunday afternoon to check out FSS Lloyd Perris playing for the Rams U16s.

[Bas]

I'm spewing they're not playing closer to home.
This is the first weekend I've missed a live game - reserves or seniors - since easter.

Annie, you can always head out to Rooty Hill tomorrow to catch GWS playing Lions Reserves. Match Starts 12:30pm.

That will keep the record going.

[707]

Been working in WA for a solid two months but timed my week off to come and watch us play the Suns. Flew in a couple of ours ago.

Rapt to log on tonight and find the ressies are playing the curtainraiser. Looks like an earlier train to the Gold Coast than planned!

[ugg]

Sorry, made a mistake. It's Brett Meredith who is not on the teamlist. And he's not an emergency. Know even less what to read into that.

I'm just going by what was on the Swans' website. It was put up jusy this afternoon so I'd be surprised if they ruled him out so soon after.

[BSA5]

Kane Murphy is playing and Meredith isn't according to http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/118100/default.aspx

[ugg]

Kane Murphy is playing and Meredith isn't according to
Reserves ready for Suns showdown - Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/118100/default.aspx)
Meredith named on the extended interchange in that link.

Apologies to Kane Murphy and Primmy, in my rush to publish the OP in the Friday afternoon rush I misread Murphy for Daniel Robinson.

BeeEmmAre - Judging by the fact you have an official team list, are we to assume you are commentating on this match and it will be shown on FOX sometime during the week.

[Primmy]

No problems ugg, I can see exactly why you would read Kane Murphy for Daniel Robinson :hmmm

[liz]

GC 2 Eric moody 1. Nipper just reported for bump

[ugg]

Are all emergencies playing - Seaby Parker Moore?

[ugg]

Who's updating the @RWOau twitter account? Frog?

He/she says that Parker and Moore aren't playing.

[liz]

Pretty sure Parker is playing. Haven't spotted Moore. 5.4 GC to Swans 4.4 at qt. Swans pretty lethargic for most of that quarter and bit lucky to be so close. Goals to Moody Jesse Dre and one I couldn't identify.

[ugg]

@RWOau

Quarter time

Swans 4.4 28 Suns 5.4 34

Goals: Everitt White Nipper A.Moody

[ugg]

@RWOau pretty adamant that there's no Parker.

Swans 4.4 Suns 8.7 15 min qtr 2

[liz]

Suns 8.8 Swans 4.5 at half time. Henry has a challenge on his hands to lift an undermanned and undersized team. Think I waswrong earlier about Parker. Doesn't seem to be playing.

[ugg]

@RWOau

The news is so bad I don't know where to start. First the score at halftime. Swans 4.5-29 Suns 8.7-55

Nipper 'sent off' because of 2 reports.

LJ is having a shocker and rolled an ankle just before halftime. Can barely jog but is still out there.

Already playing with a man short due to the 2 emergencies withdrawing

[ScottH]

Who's updating the @RWOau twitter account? Frog?

He/she says that Parker and Moore aren't playing.

TripleB

[ugg]

Ah okay. Looks like we're heading for a loss.

McNeil just kicked our 5th but Suns have 10

[ugg]

@RWOau

Sumner now reported for high contact!!! Suns goal and scoreboard corrected. Swans 7.6 Suns 14.12 3/4 time. Call it off FFS.

[ugg]

Late in the 4th

Swans 9.8 62
Suns 19.15 129

[Matt79]

Suns reserves 21.15.141 bt Swans reserves 9.8.62

[ScottH]

Late in the 4th

Swans 9.8 62
Suns 19.15 12920.15 now

[ScottH]

Many thanks To TripleB for keeping us up to date under duress!!

[ugg]

Fulltime. Goal after the siren completes the rout. Swans 9.8-62 Suns 21.15-141

Goals
Everitt 3
White 2
Nipper
A.Moody
McNeil
Sumner

[neilfws]

Seems they were missing a certain key goal kicker...

What did Nipper do?

[Gezball]

geez... that's a pretty emphatic first loss for the ressies! The margin is quite surprising.

[Untamed Snark]

Hope tonight's score is better :frown

[liz]

Well, that became horrid. I know they were a few players down but not enough to explain how insipid a performance that was. Very hard to pick any players who could be described as decent. Jesse might get my vote as least awful. Seaby was passable. Everitt look a few marks. Now I am really struggling to think of any positives. Ok, maybe Bevo wasn't too bad.

Max needs another haircut. LJ was very ordinary even before taking a knock to his knee which made him lame for most of second half. McNeil not up to usual busy standard. Sumner did a few good things but was in and out of game.

Not sure what happened to Nipper. Evaporated from game and was seen running around boundary at half time, quite fast, not obviously injured. Took no part in second half.

[Kirkari]

Am I right in thinking Moore, no TDL, no Spang, no Parker? Big surprise? Only the margin really, but still - ouch! Helps to remind myself that the ressies are there to feed the senior team but it feels a bit like we've eaten our young today. :-(

Anyone know how Lamb's recovery is going?

[liz]

Am I right in thinking Moore, no TDL, no Spang, no Parker? Big surprise? Only the margin really, but still - ouch! Helps to remind myself that the ressies are there to feed the senior team but it feels a bit like we've eaten our young today. :-(

Anyone know how Lamb's recovery is going?No Meredith. No Currie. No Nipper for most of game.

[Sidney V]

Massive turnaround from there rd 7 clash. Thought maybe the fine GC weather may have motivated our boys - thought that the ins may have offset the outs.

[dimelb]

Well, talk about a reality check, the reality being that about a quarter of the usual team wasn't playing. Back to earth with a thud.
I'll be interested to see what the watchers can tell.

[Kirkari]

... Jesse might get my vote as least awful.....

Ouch!


... Max needs another haircut...

The reverse Samson effect? Maybe Dyl does as well (though I wasn't there today - just assuming it's still longish). His form was good while he had all his curls cut short.

[ugg]

Corresponds with liz's thoughts

Sydney Swans
Goal Kickers: A. EVERITT 3, J. WHITE 2, N. GORDON , B. SUMNER , D. MCNEIL , E. MOODY
Best Players: M. SEABY, J. WHITE, B. SUMNER, D. MCNEIL

[unconfuseme]

I'm curious how the younger players and the toppies looked in a side that was under the pump, and under manned for a change.

It's easy to look good on the right side of a 12 goal score line, as they have all season, but it's how you respond in games like this, that gives a better indication of what sort of character you have as a player ... this kind of game, in the middle of this sort of season, tends to expose any downhill skiers ...?

[ugg]

Suns set on reserves win streak - Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/118167/default.aspx)

Doesn't correspond with the goalkickers on sportingpulse or even which Moody kicked goals.

[ugg]

So looking at sportingpulse, we had 12 listed players line up (they had Parker in there but surely he didn't play?) and hence down to 11 once Nipper got sent off.

liz and TripleB and anyone else who were there, if you could identify the numbers the topups wore it would help the RWOWiki entry.

[liz]

Pretty sure there was just one Moody goal, to Eric, though overall Andrew was probably livelier. Byron certainly kicked a goal.

Not sure I'll be able to help much with top up numbers. Think Pryor might have been wearing 57. The Moodys were in their normal jumpers as was Murphy. Can't remember much about any of the others. It was a pretty hard game to get into given how lame the Swans were.

[AnnieH]

Goodness!!
They had to have a loss eventually I suppose.
That's the difference between playing with amateur footballers and professional footballers.

[Primmy]

Well if we got flogged in ressies, it means the dropped players would have been crap in seniors too. Good reason to drop them and promote others.

[707]

I got there before half time and noted we didn't have any interchange happening whilst GC had a revolving door going.

Gordon ran laps at half time and again after the ressies game, Johnston was hobbling most of the second half, Jesse looked a bit sore too.

Having not seen any ressie players before, I only knew them by their Record numbers and not sure if all played - 47 Potter, 48 Guthrie, 49 Kenny, 50 Brain, 51 Lynch, 53 Murphy, 54 Wales, 57 Robinson. No mention in the Record of the Moodyboys but there were a couple who may have been them.

None of the toppies stood out to me. Of the listed plyers, Sumner impressed most, first time I've seen him but good evasive skills. Strikes me as a likely small forward type because of this. No one screamed out "pick me" for next week in the seniors.

[BeeEmmAre]

BeeEmmAre - Judging by the fact you have an official team list, are we to assume you are commentating on this match and it will be shown on FOX sometime during the week.

No mate, just speaking to someone who did have it while getting the official teamlists for the GWS v Brisbane Lions match, which we did cover.
It will be screened this Friday at the special time of 7.30pm (Friday night AFL is in Adelaide and starts later) on Channel 518.

[liz]

Having not seen any ressie players before, I only knew them by their Record numbers and not sure if all played - 47 Potter, 48 Guthrie, 49 Kenny, 50 Brain, 51 Lynch, 53 Murphy, 54 Wales, 57 Robinson. No mention in the Record of the Moodyboys but there were a couple who may have been them.



47 and 48 were Andrew and Eric Moody. Murphy did play (and wore his regular number) and Wales was out there too but didn't look to see what number he was wearing. He is the solidly built, moderately tall red head.

[liz]

I am not game to write Ugg style notes on that game. To be honest, my attention wandered a bit after it became evident how poor the Swans were. I reckon that 12 listed players is about the number the team needs to become a pretty good outfit, and maybe against a regular ACT team they would still have been competitive. I suspect part of the issue was the type of listed players available. We were reasonably well manned in defence (not that it always showed) with the likes of Heath, McKaigue, Johnston and Otten, and had two tall targets in White (when not rucking) and Everitt. But the midfield was very bare, especially after Gordon's exclusion from the game. Poor McNeil had none of the support he usually gets, and - I suspect quite significantly - was without Currie tapping it down his throat. Sure, he did have Seaby and White, so we were hardly bereft in the ruck, but Seaby didn't manage the same taps to advantage that Currie frequently produces. And of course, having fewer legitimate midfielders didn't help matters.

Both teams struggled with height in defence, and when the Swans were able to get the ball into their forward line, both Everitt and White presented pretty well. It just didn't get down there often enough.

I noted earlier that White was my "least bad on ground" and to his credit, he had a real dip and looked like he truly cared that the team was getting flogged. His first goal came from a great contested mark falling backwards to collect a clever kick from Andrew Moody. He also took two genuine marks on strong, fast leads, but failed to convert either of the goals. He worked hard in the ruck and had a few possessions around the ground. By the end he looked exhausted and slightly lame.

Seaby took a lot of marks because he got himself into good spots and was tall. He looked a bit plodding, though.

Sumner was a mixed bag for me. He certainly has some tricks, when he tackles, the player generally stays tackled and he buzzed around until the end. My slight beef with him - and it may not even be a fair beef - is that he sometimes hovers around the outside of packs waiting for the ball to come out, rather than throwing himself into every contest. Possibly it is just him being smart, or maybe he is playing to instruction. But when you're used to watching Bolton, McGlynn, Jack et al, and even Parker, McNeil and Moore at reserves level, throw themselves in headfirst at every opportunity, it is a bit disconcerting watching Sumner wait for the ball to come out to him at times. If there was ever a game where some kamikaze pack diving was required, even if ineffective, it was probably this one, if only to give the tenative toppies a bit of rev up.

Bevan was typical Bevan. He busted a gut all game, won some wonderful contests with his relentless attack on the ball, but was sloppy with his disposal at times. Everitt took some decent marks, mostly on leads against a shorter opponent, but wasn't particularly smart with his use of the ball, trying sometimes to be too clever when something basic was required.

McKaigue and Heath both struggled one -on-one in defensive contests, often done for height. But for large passges of the game the ball was coming into the Suns' forward line with such ease there was little they could have done to stop the flood. Still, both would have been pretty disappointed with their games, I suspect.

The biggest let down for me was Lewis, mostly because he was probably the one player out there I most want to see really come on. Even allowing for the delivery to the forwards, I thought he looked slow to react, beaten often on leads and in the end, almost giving up. His kicking was mostly indiscrimnate. I must acknowledge that he took what looked to be a painful knock to the knee. I think it was just before half-time. He was attempting one of his signature moves, running through the middle and signalling for whoever had the ball to handball to him so he could launch at goal. Whoever had the ball (I think it was one of our more experienced talls, maybe Seaby?) messed up the delivery and so when Johnston tried to take possession he collided with an opponent. After that he looked like he really didn't want to be out on the ground. He probably didn't. But with the team down on numbers, he had to stay. Without knowing how badly hurt he was, I don't know how critical to be of his game but he really didn't impress me with his defensive efforts even before the knock.

This was a game where either Otten or Kruger might have stood up and taken a more central role than they usually do with the team so undermanned. Neither did. Otten was particularly flabby, I thought, running around like a bit of a headless chook. I am almost ready to take back my taking back of my earlier lack of enthusiasm about him, which I was forced to do after a couple of very good games. But as someone commented earlier in this thread, you find out more about players when things aren't going well than when they are in teams winning by 100pt margins, and for me, he failed to demonstrate he could step it up when most needed.

[Matt79]

Thanks for the write up Liz. Sounds like not too many changes ahead for the Freo game barring injury. Still hoping TDL may get a call up despite missing on the weekend.

[AnnieH]

It's not hard to pick the Moody boys ... when they stand still. They're both about 3 foot 6 inches, yet play like they're 10 feet tall.
I'd so love it if they stayed with us.

[dimelb]

Thanks Liz - a valuable impression of what it was like. Combination of undermanned and not playing hard enough for each other seems like a fatal disorder. But then it usually is.

[Primmy]

I cannot see any captain material in the lineup. Would that lack of direction ON the ground make a big hole? If so, why were the "seniors" not taking charge when they could have made an impression on the coaches. Not time to bring out the stun gun yet, but.....oh for the days of Captain Bligh and the cat-of-nine-tails....

[stellation]

I cannot see any captain material in the lineup. Would that lack of direction ON the ground make a big hole? If so, why were the "seniors" not taking charge when they could have made an impression on the coaches. Not time to bring out the stun gun yet, but.....oh for the days of Captain Bligh and the cat-of-nine-tails....

Not really knowing the numbers of listed players for Gold Coast at all, going up against tougher competition than the last couple of weeks whilst only playing with 12 (and then 11) listed players I think it's kind of understandable to get beaten? Without having seen the game it's hard to say, but I don't really think it's time for Henry to be having them crawl laps of the SCG at training. :)

[Primmy]

That I do understand Stella, not having the cattle to make it a better contest. I was just responding to liz's laments.....from what she was pointing out, there didn't seem any direction on the ground itself. Guess I am used to seeing Luke organising the midfield, and have taken it for granted. And always trust Doggy to take charge, as he is a natural leader. Its just that there didn't seem to be any other players stepping into the vacancy (on appraisal of the R&W reports), when it was needed, and warranted. Maybe that is why Nipper got into trouble, he was over-trying? she said hopefully?

[Sidney V]

Thankyou Liz - great run down of the day - appreciate your time and effort.

[liz]

That I do understand Stella, not having the cattle to make it a better contest. I was just responding to liz's laments.....from what she was pointing out, there didn't seem any direction on the ground itself. Guess I am used to seeing Luke organising the midfield, and have taken it for granted. And always trust Doggy to take charge, as he is a natural leader. Its just that there didn't seem to be any other players stepping into the vacancy (on appraisal of the R&W reports), when it was needed, and warranted. Maybe that is why Nipper got into trouble, he was over-trying? she said hopefully?

I didn't see the second report for Nipper as it was on the other side of the ground (and they don't show replays on the big screen at reserves games). From where I was sitting it looked to occur in a ground level tackling contest.

The first incident I did get a clear view of, although again, without the benefit of a replay, it is hard to really assess it. Nipper collided with an oncoming opponent and looked to make head high contact. Did he actively go to bump him? I didn't think so at the time. It looked more of a collision. But it was one of those types of incident that the AFL MRP usually looks at, not unlike the ones that Jude, ROK and Jack have all received reprimands for over the last season and a bit. I don't think it was due to "over trying" by Nipper. Maybe just a bit of clumsiness.

[liz]

Not really knowing the numbers of listed players for Gold Coast at all, going up against tougher competition than the last couple of weeks whilst only playing with 12 (and then 11) listed players I think it's kind of understandable to get beaten? Without having seen the game it's hard to say, but I don't really think it's time for Henry to be having them crawl laps of the SCG at training. :)

I don't think getting beaten was the issue. But I do think that the lack of fight, especially in the second half, would have disappointed Henry.

[ugg]

Currie was absent because he has a case of TDL-itis (i.e. sore foot).

[Triple B]

So looking at sportingpulse, we had 12 listed players line up (they had Parker in there but surely he didn't play?) and hence down to 11 once Nipper got sent off.

liz and TripleB and anyone else who were there, if you could identify the numbers the topups wore it would help the RWOWiki entry.

Spent a few extra days away and got back late last night.

ugg, the moody boys wore #47 and #48, the taller in #47. pretty sure it was Kenny in #49, Tim Wales was in his usual #54, Murphy in #53.

The other toppies I did not recognise. One of them wore #57 and another in #50 or #51. It was certainly not Mitch Thompson. None of the other usual toppie suspects played (Lynch, Potter, Guthrie etc.), although we probably knew they had other committments.

As for the game, we were destined not to win from the time Nipper got his marching orders, but we probably already beaten at that time anyway, as early as it was.

The Suns had a pretty strong side in and all these guys who are just getting rotated thru the seniors for a game or two have quite obviously improved in leaps and bounds. Krakouer tore us a new one early, but even then spent a huge amount of time on the bench as they swung the changes to their side continuously. It was criminal watching just 1 guy on the bench for us. The GC kids all stood up with guys like Patrick and Liddy having days out.

We obviously missed Parker and co. getting the ball in the middle. Bulldogs greatest talent in the slower ressies level is organising the troops and we missed him bigtime as well.

The backs were under seige and LJ was really having a poor one, even before rolling the ankle just before halftime.

As for leadership, it was worth noting that Campbell Heath did all the 'C'mon, let's do it for the gipper' stuff in the circle pre-quarter and when coming off at halftime, but we just didn't have the cattle on the day and what we did have were cramping and buggered due to no rotations.

Agree with Liz about Jesse. Whilst he didn't put in a performance that said 'give me another chance', his endeavour when clearly knackered in the last quarter was outstanding and deserves full credit for that, if nothing else.

ugg, any news on nipper on the tribunal front? The second report was soft as a pudding and given it forced him from the ground and cost us any chance of making it a contest, the umpy sure did stuff that one up.

[ugg]

ugg, the moody boys wore #47 and #48, the taller in #47. pretty sure it was Kenny in #49, Tim Wales was in his usual #54, Murphy in #53.

The other toppies I did not recognise. One of them wore #57 and another in #50 or #51. It was certainly not Mitch Thompson. None of the other usual toppie suspects played (Lynch, Potter, Guthrie etc.), although we probably knew they had other committments.


That throws a spanner in the works. Eric is the taller one (or so we've assumed) and he's been wearing #48. BSA5 had Stephen Wray in #51 and Mitch Crawford in #52 the week before so I assumed they kept those numbers.


ugg, any news on nipper on the tribunal front? The second report was soft as a pudding and given it forced him from the ground and cost us any chance of making it a contest, the umpy sure did stuff that one up.

I sent a tweet to @NEAFL_Eastern asking about Nippa and about an hour ago I received a reply from @mastersjack who is the manager of AFL Canberra "nippa and sumner free to play"

[Triple B]

I sent a tweet to @NEAFL_Eastern asking about Nippa and about an hour ago I received a reply from @mastersjack who is the manager of AFL Canberra "nippa and sumner free to play"

Good work.

I was not at all worried about Nippers second one, but I thought they may have deemed the first one clumsy and worth a week. That said, it may well have gotten him a week (or more) in AFL seniors, as is the madness known as the MRP.

Sumners I missed because I had my head down tweeting :mad:. From the lack of any real remonstrations from Suns players, I was hoping it was nothing too serious.

[Triple B]

ugg, there are a fair few little highlights on the Ressies report video with Henry, you may get some toppie help from that, including which Moody wore which.

[ugg]

Yep thanks. 48 definitely the smaller one, i.e. Andrew and 57 actually looks like Wray

[BSA5]

That throws a spanner in the works. Eric is the taller one (or so we've assumed) and he's been wearing #48. BSA5 had Stephen Wray in #51 and Mitch Crawford in #52 the week before so I assumed they kept those numbers.

Actually, Wray was in 53 last week.

Eric is definitely the taller one, I guess they just swapped numbers this week?

EDIT: Looking at the footage on the Swans website, Andrew is definitely still in 47, Eric in 48. Don't know what you're seeing Ugg. At 41 seconds you get a good glimpse of 48, definitely Eric. At 1 minute you can see 47, and it's definitely the shorter, stockier Andrew. At the 1:59 mark you can clearly see again 48 is Eric. At 2:27 once again it's definitely Eric.

[liz]

I am almost certain the Moodys were wearing their normal guernseys.

And I think 57 was Pryor - a big solid lad, though maybe not quite as solid as big brother was at the same age. He did a couple of useful things in the game.

[BSA5]

I am almost certain the Moodys were wearing their normal guernseys.

And I think 57 was Pryor - a big solid lad, though maybe not quite as solid as big brother was at the same age. He did a couple of useful things in the game.

57 looks like Wray in the ressies report. Difficult to tell though.

[ugg]

Actually, Wray was in 53 last week.

Eric is definitely the taller one, I guess they just swapped numbers this week?

EDIT: Looking at the footage on the Swans website, Andrew is definitely still in 47, Eric in 48. Don't know what you're seeing Ugg. At 41 seconds you get a good glimpse of 48, definitely Eric. At 1 minute you can see 47, and it's definitely the shorter, stockier Andrew. At the 1:59 mark you can clearly see again 48 is Eric. At 2:27 once again it's definitely Eric.

:o yep you're right. And would you say #57 about 2 min in looks like Wray?

[BSA5]

:o yep you're right. And would you say #57 about 2 min in looks like Wray?

Yep, as I said above, definitely looks like him, but you never get a great look at his face, so it's tough to tell, especially without knowing what Prior looks like. Either way, I liked the attack on the ball!

[liz]

Pryor - Sydney AFL - SportingPulse (http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-1047-0-0-0&sID=53282&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=16235060&sectionID=53282)

I can't go and look at the footage on the website right now because I am meant to be working (and I don't work in IT:p)

[BSA5]

Pryor - Sydney AFL - SportingPulse (http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-1047-0-0-0&sID=53282&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=16235060&sectionID=53282)

I can't go and look at the footage on the website right now because I am meant to be working (and I don't work in IT:p)

Definitely looks more like Wray than Prior then. Just my opinion though.

[unconfuseme]

#51 Prior #57 Wray.