Intra Club

[Mug Punter]

Friday week at Henson Park, weather permitting I'm really looking forward to it.

If you have a look at the info, you'll see why I reckon Dean Towers could be an absolute wildcard for us this year. Look at the vertical leap on him there, it's why until this year he held the draft vertical leap record. If he can believe in himself, and for mine the first six games are critical, then he can become a very very good player for us.

I just love his story how he was such a late bloomer, coming through the various leagues in Colac before us drafting him and then taking almost two years for us to give him a chance.

Countdown to #SwansIntra begins - sydneyswans.com.au (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2016-01-27/gates-open-for-swansintra)

[Conor_Dillon]

Friday week at Henson Park, weather permitting I'm really looking forward to it.

If you have a look at the info, you'll see why I reckon Dean Towers could be an absolute wildcard for us this year. Look at the vertical leap on him there, it's why until this year he held the draft vertical leap record. If he can believe in himself, and for mine the first six games are critical, then he can become a very very good player for us.

I just love his story how he was such a late bloomer, coming through the various leagues in Colac before us drafting him and then taking almost two years for us to give him a chance.

Countdown to #SwansIntra begins - sydneyswans.com.au (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2016-01-27/gates-open-for-swansintra)

Will you be heading along MP?

Really looking forward to some RWO match reports!

[wolftone57]

I will definitely be there. Looking forward to seeing the newbies have a go. Usually have a few toppies and last year a few of them were pretty good.

On Deano, I think last year he got some confidence but also realised just what it took to be an AFL player. He is a worker and he just keeps plugging away. I hope he makes it because his work ethic is so good.

[Mug Punter]

Will you be heading along MP?

Really looking forward to some RWO match reports!

Provided it is dry I'll be there and I'll be keen to provide my comments

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I will definitely be there. Looking forward to seeing the newbies have a go. Usually have a few toppies and last year a few of them were pretty good.

On Deano, I think last year he got some confidence but also realised just what it took to be an AFL player. He is a worker and he just keeps plugging away. I hope he makes it because his work ethic is so good.

I get the feeling they absolutely love him at the club and so badly want him to make it. Sometimes people can try too hard and I'm just hoping that the confidence he got from the last few games plus a really really good pre-season will see him firing from Round 1

[707]

RWO match reports looked forward to very much. Always tell it like it is, not the embellished stuff the club puts out (thinking ressie best players here)

Need the fringies to really step up from the outset.

[Mug Punter]

General Sale Tickets still available

[liz]

General Sale Tickets still available

Since when did you need a ticket to go to the intraclub?

[Mug Punter]

Since when did you need a ticket to go to the intraclub?

Ha Ha, I meant the NAB Challenge at Drummoyne which I thought would be snapped up by members yesterday.

Yes, I'm sure we'll be able to get a seat at Henson Park...

[wolftone57]

RWO match reports looked forward to very much. Always tell it like it is, not the embellished stuff the club puts out (thinking ressie best players here)

Need the fringies to really step up from the outset.

funnily enough some of the toppies were pretty good last year. There was one bloke I thought we might look at for the academy. A young kid who comes from Sydney Uni. Mind you last year I thought the best of our young lot was Melican at the Intra. Then not long after he gets injured and we don't see him for most of the year.

[707]

High hopes for Melican, a real draft smokie. I remember positives about him when he played last year and just the position player we need.

[wolftone57]

Apparently according to 'Dan the Man' Buddy will play the Intra. He normally doesn't trot out until the latter NAB but I think he is trying to get a really good match fitness base by first game this year.

The squad looks really fit and the skills in the practice match at Coffs, the little I saw in the footage, seemed very good.

I hope Teddy & Reg get a really good hit out just to see how Teddy especially is going.

Looking forward to seeing the young blokes have a go.

[liz]

Suspect Ted won't be playing. Wasn't he reported as "managing" a soft tissue injury last week (calf?) - together with X.

[707]

Suspect Ted won't be playing. Wasn't he reported as "managing" a soft tissue injury last week (calf?) - together with X.

Keeping it in the family eh?

Who is going to the intraclub? We need good unbiased RWO style reporting :-)

[YvonneH]

Is there any such thing as 'unbiased RWO style reporting'?

[O'Reilly Boy]

Pretty excited about heading to Henson Park after work tomorrow. Does anyone know if the club is going to post team lists as they did last year?

[RogueSwan]

Provided it is dry I'll be there and I'll be keen to provide my comments

Not drinking Mug? :smile:

[WauchopeAnalyst]

Players can be moved from one team to the other. I hope they wear the same number for each time.

[troyjones2525]

Working night shift tonight so looking forward to reading some detailed analysis from the RWOers who are attending the Intra Club tonight at 5! Looking forward to hearing how our new youngsters go plus a few 2nd and 3rd year boys who are our future! ?

[ugg]

Teams are up!

#TeamRed
5. Isaac Heeney
6. Tom Mitchell
7. Harry Cunningham
8. Kurt Tippett
12. Josh Kennedy
15. Kieren Jack
18. Callum Sinclair
20. Sam Reid
22. Dean Towers
23. Lance Franklin
26. Luke Parker
28. Nic Newman
30. Tyrone Leonardis
32. Michael Talia
38. Colin O�Riordan
42. Xavier Richards
44. Jake Lloyd
53. Ryan Hebron*
#TeamWhite
1. James Rose
5. Callum Mills
9. Abe Davis
13. Toby Nankervis
17. Jack Hiscox
19. Tom Derickx
24. Dane Rampe
27. Dan Robinson
29. George Hewett
31. Harry Marsh
33. Brandon Jack
34. Jordan Dawson
35. Jake Veale*
36. Aliir Aliir
39. Heath Grundy
40. Nick Smith
41. Tom Papley
47. Kyle Galloway

* Denotes QBE Sydney Swans Academy player



Seems a little unbalanced to me, Red will start favourites IMHO

[magic.merkin]

I'm sure as they said, players may (I read as will) swap

[Conor_Dillon]

Summary from Twitter + BigFooty.

Mills great across half-back.
Heeney great in the forward half and midfield.
Buddy great all over the ground...did plenty of km's.
Robinson and Mitchell stand outs.
Hewett fair bit of the footy.

[Mug Punter]

A very enjoyable evening to get the season started.

It's always wise not to read too much into intra club matches but it is funny how I saw quite a different game to Conor's sources

Agree re the Buddy assessment and by far the most important outcome - he looks super fit and his body language was great, I think the big fella is back.

Heeney also looked sharp whenever he got the footy.

They set up with Reds pretty much being our first choice forward line with the Whites having a strong defence (Reg and Rampe amongst them) on them. the reds definitely had the first string mids and the score reflected that but it was a well contested trial.

Mills started on Towers so there's a pointer that they may be looking at blooding him on the half back flank. Towers was pretty quiet so I guess that is a tick to Mills. Physically and body language wise he looks every bit a ready made senior AFL footballer and his disposal was crisp and precise. Having said that I don't think he or the coaching staff would be that happy with his performance as he dropped three marks that were bog standard and I have to say on at least one he heard footsteps so not a good look. I would bet that he'd be in our first 22 for round 1 but not if he keeps dropping simple marks.

Robbo was OK but how Mitchell can be seen as a standout I don't know, he was OK when he was on but like many of the senior players he only really played half a game.

All the senior players from last year looked fit and did OK so the interest was in the newbies and fringe so here are the MP verdicts

* Standout for me was Hewett who is no longer in a kid's body and he played very well and could well have a case of mild leather poisoning tonight. His disposal was good too. I would be very surprised if he is not rewarded with a NAB challenge slot next week and if he plays like that all pre-season I fail to see how he cannot get selected round 1

* Closely behind was Abe Davis who I think has the makings of a very good fottballer. Good physique, big engine and good skills I can see him as a big bodied midfielder but he needs a bit more mongrel. Could well play a bit of senior footy this year.

* Of the fringe players from last year I thought BJ played well and, like Hewett, I he keeps playing like that he'll be hard to keep out

* Jack Hiscox also found a lot of the footy, looks every bit the elite athlete he is and has bulked up. Big question mark is his disposal which really is not at AFL standard and you just wonder if he can improve that. The elite level engine is beyond doubt though and I just wonder if they shouldn't use him a tagger because he would be almost impossible to shake off.

* Newman was by far the pick of the rookies and I reckon he could well play senior footy this year and Marsh also ran off the half bacl well and looked well balanced and composed with good delivery. O'Riordan the Irishman also impressed me - I doubt he will play senior footy this year but look out for 2017, he goes hard at the footy and has some real go in him. Galloway the big young ruckman has A LOT of work to be done on him but he is a BIG unit.

* Negatives - based on tonight Aliir Aliir and Xav Richards are both miles off being AFL footballers, I can't see X making it but I believe they see AA as a long term project player who may get next year as well, he is certainly a good athletic specimen.

* Leonardis looked OK, had a crack and has decent delivery but I'd be surprised if he can crack the side this year and Dawson did little but also has a good peg on him.

* James Rose did some good things but for mine still doesn't have the physique yet to play a full season of AFL, he also drifts in and out a lot

Most important thing was no injuries and the return of Buddy:)

[Conor_Dillon]

Hannebery didn't play because he was attending a funeral in Melbourne

[707]

Hewett playing well has to be seen as a very good effort as he was playing against our A grade mids. I know he's an inside mid but we are genuinely needing some fringe players to step up into serious AFL standard to fill the vacancies in our best 22 and boost our depth.

First intra I know but after two years in the NEAFL it may be that Hewett is going to grab one of those vacancies.

Reports on Mills indicate he will be another to be best 22, always seemed that way if he got his injuries right. Need to find a few more with their hands up for selection over the remaining pre season games.

[graemed]

While agree with much of MP's assessment, particularly with regard to Hewitt and Newman, l thought BJ lost some ground to others looking to step up. Mills came into the game late but I thought Towers was very effective and made in roads against all comers. His tackling and defensive pressure in the absence of Rohan, McVeigh and McGlynn was outstanding.

I thought the most pleasing aspects were the attitudes of Tippett and Franklin. Both played flat out and when Reid was on the field they were unstoppable.

Saw something I thought didn't need to be on display in an intra-match when Sinclair clipped Sam Murray high and late, then followed up with bad mouthing and attitude. Didn't mind the aggression but if it had been a bit more evident during the GF, it would have been a lot more convincing.

Only injury concern was Sam Reid with what looked to be precautionary treatment for a corked thigh and a bloody nose for Tom Mitchell after an incident with AA.

Interesting exchange near Red dugout when Rampe (then playing for the red team) allowed a ball to go out and Blackey the Reds coach gave him an earful for not trying harder to win the ball outright.

With respect to Mills I thought he took some time to pick up the pace of the game and was caught out of position a number of times but toward the end of the evening was carrying the white defence and looked more comfortable. Although touted for his tackling, he attempted a "ball and all" tackle on Joey early in the first half, when Kennedy owned the footy, and got tossed away with a shrug of the shoulders. Lesson learned.

Parker looked fully recovered and KJ looked great as well, might have picked up a slight injury late in game.

Enjoyed Abe Davis' efforts as the only effective white target he presented well all night. Once again Nankervis disappointed with his consistency and unless he can become more involved more often may have limited oppourtunities going forward.

Really liked O'Riordan and Leondaris, absolutely raw but relentless and I would thought very coachable.

Best of the Academy top up players was one of the smallest in Ben Wilson (57), pace to burn and linked up beautifully for an entry into red's forward line early but his kicking needs to improve.

[wolftone57]

I agree more with you Graeme. I liked Davis too. I think MP missed a lot of what Towers did. He might not have hit the scoreboard a lot but caused turnovers and was clever in and under getting the ball out once it turned over.

The Big Bud was allowed to roam all over the park and in played in the mids starting at the centre bounces. He looked very fit and seemed to be enjoying himself a lot.

Agree with both re Hewett. He was sensational with 20 before half time playing on Kizza, Lukie, Tommy and Joey. Great effort I thought and hid decision making is very good. He manages to do a Lloydy and get plenty of space which gives him time to deliver.

Speaking of Lloydy he was good as usual.

Robbo is going to be a very good player.

Nick Newman should be immediately upgraded. Wonderful kick of the footy.

MP I thought Marsh's delivery was terrible. Sorry. Several times he took really good runs out of defence and looked woinderful and then either kicked the ball at his teammate's feet or over his head. Shame as the movement was very good.

O'Riordan looks good and plays much like Tadhg.

I liked Sinclair. he has a bit of mongrel although MP you are right an Intra is not the place for it. He is a good tap ruck.

Toby started well and kicked 1.1 very early but as you say just faded out.

Leonardis is going to have to learn how to take a tackle. He was monstered several times and totally lost control of the ball ea h time. his run and carry is good and he can kick which is nice.

Dawson did a couple of good things but seemed to be a bit off the pace early. He is a very long kick but needs to learn to dispose quicker.

Jack Hiscox is really quick we know but I'd like him to settle and slow just before he kicks as his field kicking is crap. He is reasonably accurate at goal 50/50, funny about that, but needs to clean up his general disposal.

BJ was good I thought. But I think he took a corkie during the second or third quarter and faded out for a while.

Was a bit peeved at the mids at times for kicking to the intercept player all the time. At one stage Sinclair manages to snare three marks in a row because the White mids insisted on kicking straight to him. First half so I will forgive them for now but if it continues into the NAB I'll be a it more than peeved.

At the other end it was Derrickx and Newman who were intercepting.

Tip & Bud both look fit and ready for the season. Joey looks sharp. Lukie & Tommy looked good and did what they had to and not much more.


Kizza was lively. But I think Hewett stitched him up at times.


Apparently Hannas, Rooster & possibly Teddy will play next week.

Sam Murray showed a bit too. Galloway showed he can mark a ball but is very raw. He is VERY TALL and skinny.

Papley was pretty good in the first but seemed to fade out of the game after.

[rojo]

Thanks Graemed, Wolfie and others - so good to have your reports and assessments. It will be so interesting to see who gets a spot for the NAB Cup games. A couple who you didn't mention were Rosie, Aliir and also XR. How do you think they are tracking? Funny that you didn't notice Derickx - neither has anyone else!

[undy]

Derickx was OK, the white team were doing OK out of the middle for a period in the 2nd half and a lot of that was TD.
Parker and Kennedy looked really good.

Some observers will be pleased to know that Rampe appeared to be wearing a hair-band and Tippo an Alice-band (why do I notice all the wrong things).
Ramps was VERY loud organising at the back and giving feedback ("Millsy, you've got to DEMAND that" after he got looked off, "Where's our sweeper ?", "BJ, BJ's loose !" at a ball-up).

Swans dominated, Richmond were nowhere but the back of one guys cap.

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[bloodspirit]

I don't think there's a better current thread for this and it doesn't deserve it's own thread: does anyone know what's become of Melican? Is he injured again/still?

I was frustrated I couldn't make the match. Thanks for all the reports. Disappointing to hear X is not looking too good and AA still a fair way off. I guess that's why we've invested in Talia and Laids and Ramps are stepping up, albeit not as KPDs.

I hope we get a report from Ugg too... Ugg?

[ugg]

I don't think there's a better current thread for this and it doesn't deserve it's own thread: does anyone know what's become of Melican? Is he injured again/still?

I was frustrated I couldn't make the match. Thanks for all the reports. Disappointing to hear X is not looking too good and AA still a fair way off. I guess that's why we've invested in Talia and Laids and Ramps are stepping up, albeit not as KPDs.

I hope we get a report from Ugg too... Ugg?

Sorry couldn't make it. Time and place not suitable for me.

For those that did go I'm interested in the time spent in the ruck between Sinclair and Tippett? Was it 50/50 or more in Sinclair's favour?

[Primmy]

Didn't make it, same reason as ugg plus I don't do 30C, it just doesn't work for me.
I wouldn't be too down on X. He is a smart kid. He kind of sticks to the goal square and watches (like Peb did when he was learning). I think he has very good concentration.
Good to hear Ramps is noisy. Taking over Shaw's persona and style I see (not the head band I mean).
Great to think of Buddy with a smile from inside.
Sinclair has a bit of mongrel? Good.
Very pleased to hear Newman is a keeper. Kept an eye on him last year and he had a bit of an ability trajectory which was pleasing then.

[undy]

Was it 50/50 or more in Sinclair's favour?

I'm guessing that Sinclair must have been in there more, Tippo was playing forward a lot.
Saw Abe do OK at one contest at least.
Waiting for Liz to tell us what was going on in front of me :smile:

[Mug Punter]

I'm guessing that Sinclair must have been in there more, Tippo was playing forward a lot.
Saw Abe do OK at one contest at least.
Waiting for Liz to tell us what was going on in front of me :smile:

My view from Friday was that Sinclair will do the majority of our rucking. Nankervis had a good run as well but for mine will only be backup at best.

If you assume the Benny, Tom Dx and Ted will definitely be leaving then, based on our recent recruitment we'd look at an additional 1 or 2 being de-listed. I'd say that Nankervis, Xav, and AA are all under the microscope this season.

[RogueSwan]

... Disappointing to hear X is not looking too good ...


... I wouldn't be too down on X. He is a smart kid. He kind of sticks to the goal square and watches (like Peb did when he was learning). I think he has very good concentration...

Isn't X coming off a leg injury?

[Conor_Dillon]

Isn't X coming off a leg injury?

Yeh calf-injury I believe!

If he doesn't step up this year well we can always pinch Hooker or Hurley...

[Auntie.Gerald]

I see plenty in x prior to this trial

[YvonneH]

Great reporting by Sultan (GWS fan) on big footy Sydney site (only up to half time as he had other commitments after that)

[wolftone57]

I didn't think X that bad. He got the ball a few times and was pretty good defensively. But he does have problems with decision making and disposal. He only played the first half.

Aliir was pretty good I thought. Took on the Big Bud and beat him on quite a few occasions. Sadly beaten at ground level by the Bud though. He was dreadful in the first quarter, due to his terrible disposal. Got plenty of the ball but fumbled and delivered like a suburban thirds player. Needs to start better than he does. I have noticed that in NEAFL. He doesn't seem to turn on until after quarter time. Can't afford that at AFL level, Kennedy would have kicked 10 by then.

Lewis Melican walked past us in the grandstand. He seemed alright, not in any great discomfort, but so did AJ. I think just a soft tissue injury. There are quite a few of those at this time. I think it has to do with the competitive hit out in Coffs.

[707]

Come on Wolfie "Melican walked past us" - where was the bailing up, having a chat, telling him how RWO is right behind him and asking after his health??

You must do better than that in the future :-)

[bloodspirit]

My view from Friday was that Sinclair will do the majority of our rucking. Nankervis had a good run as well but for mine will only be backup at best.

If you assume the Benny, Tom Dx and Ted will definitely be leaving then, based on our recent recruitment we'd look at an additional 1 or 2 being de-listed. I'd say that Nankervis, Xav, and AA are all under the microscope this season.

Marsh and Foote are others that will be looking over their shoulder, perhaps even more so than those you have nominated. I think this is definitely make or break year for Marsh. We kept him because he did so well in the NEAFL last year but if he's gonna break through (at least for a debut) then it's gotta be this year, surely.

Plus, was AJ's deal just one extra year? There is a limit to how long we will keep waiting for him to come good - much as we all desperately want him too (and much as we desperately need another tall down back). It might be that at least one of the new rookie recruits doesn't survive to next season also - bit like MacLaren last year.

[wolftone57]

Marsh and Foote are others that will be looking over their shoulder, perhaps even more so than those you have nominated. I think this is definitely make or break year for Marsh. We kept him because he did so well in the NEAFL last year but if he's gonna break through (at least for a debut) then it's gotta be this year, surely.

Plus, was AJ's deal just one extra year? There is a limit to how long we will keep waiting for him to come good - much as we all desperately want him too (and much as we desperately need another tall down back). It might be that at least one of the new rookie recruits doesn't survive to next season also - bit like MacLaren last year.

Marsh has not shown enough for my liking. MP was impressed with his delivery. I wasn't. He gets it ok and runs well but after that it is all downhill. About 50/50 delivery. some of his passes were spectacular but others were not just disappointing they were the stuff that makes you throw the footy record on the ground and stamp on it. I don't know why they even bothered keeping him, rather draft another Rookie that hasn't list clogged for 3 years. Derrickx, as good as he was in the Intra, is on the way out the door. Big Toby would have to have a pretty good year too. He has one disadvantage, he's very slow, a dinosaur and Galloway showed a bity for a very young Rookie who has only played AFL seriously in the last 2 years after giving up basketball. Add to that Benny and Ted possibly retiring at the end of the year. I'll predict now they both will.

Foote has only had the one season even though he was a toppie before that. He is a goer but I think in the end poor skills will let him down. Tough, relentless, hard at it and great in and under, a Kirkie type but without Kirkie's presence. Melican is also in his second year and has not seen too much action due to injury. A lot of upside for him but if he continues to get injured he might not last. AJ will have to have a very successful op to be retained. I know we all hope but...

As to the Intra. In some ways the footy was disappointing. Not much urgency even for an Intra. The defensive work far outstripped the offensive work. Not a lot of goals kicked and we need to be able to score this year. I hope there is some remedy before the season gets going. Although Tip and Bud spent very little time forward really. Tip played more CHF after Reid went off and ruck. Sinclair played mainly ruck and CHF after Reid left too, but mainly ruck. I think the heat made a difference but it will still be hot come the season's opener so they'd better get used to it. Bud played in the mids for most of the last half, in the centre square in the third and wing.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I thought the standard last year was aweful !

Then again the guys all know how each other play and we have the same knowledge of transitions and entries into 50 so it makes for good fitness but a shocking spectacle

But the kids love it - which is important !!

[graemed]

OK based on the Intra and given the NAB match v Port is on this weekend its time to make some forecasts about lineups, so here goes:

First up, injuries may hinder the likelihood of a number of regulars and given this is the first trial match, selectors will be looking at the younger or untried players more closely.

Backs (8): Smith, Grundy, Rampe, Talia, Newman, Allir, Mills, Leondaris On the strength of what I saw I do not believe Dawson, Marsh and O'Riordan will play ahead of the others, although selectors may wish to see them at a later date (Laidler, Jones and Melican did not play in Intra and both Ted and X. Richards may have injuries). I would not be surprised if they rested either Reg or Smith, it would add pressure to the likely comers to perform and test the leadership of Rampe.

Mids (10): Sinclair, Derrickx, Parker, Hannebery, B Jack, Cunningham, Lloyd, Hewett, Robinson, Mitchell. I think K Jack, Heeney, Kennedy and Tippett will all get a rest.

Forwards (8): Towers, Franklin, Davis, Rose, Hiscox, Nankervis, Papley and Murray. Unsure of Rohan's situation should play if fit.

If Franklin plays he is unlikely to play more than a half.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Come on Wolfie "Melican walked past us" - where was the bailing up, having a chat, telling him how RWO is right behind him and asking after his health??

You must do better than that in the future :-)

Can you please translate that to English?

[Conor_Dillon]

If Franklin plays he is unlikely to play more than a half.

Would be strange for him to play almost every minute of an intra-club but then only half of a nab challenge game. I hope to see him playing as much of the nab challenge as possible so all his cobwebs are blown out before Round 1...the thought of losing to Collingwood at home makes me physically ill.

[YvonneH]

Saw Adam Spencer interview Amon Buchanan at Henson Park on SwansTV.
Have I missed somehow that Amon is back with us In some capacity?
Not sure of the spelling of Amon or Aamon.

[ugg]

He was coaching the Giants NEAFL team last year. Perhaps scouting the opposition

[royboy42]

Can you please translate that to English?


Made perfect sense to me?

[Plugger46]

He really struggles with an interview Amon. Must deliver the message better when he's coaching.

[Primmy]

Amon is ok. Still looks like a Hobbit. Love him to pieces. Wish we could get him here, but he is good value at GWS. He doesn't look any older than them.

[Swansongster]

He really struggles with an interview Amon. Must deliver the message better when he's coaching.

He was not bad at kicking vital goals at crucial junctures in really big games.

[chalbilto]

On the Swans web site they had an injury update and listed Sam Reid with a hamstring injury. Reid injured his hamstring in the opening quarter of last week�s intra-club match at Marrickville.

General Manager of Football Tom Harley says Reid has suffered a minor grade one strain.

�Given the time of the year we will take a conservative approach with Sam,� Harley said.

�He�s unlikely to play in the NAB Challenge, but we remain hopeful he will be ready for the start of the season.�

Do other posters share my concern to the number of soft tissue injuries Sam Reid seems to regularly get. Is their a hereditary link as his older brother has had a lot of soft tissue injuries?

[Rob]

Agree with bloodspirit on pretty much all of that. Whether or not AJ gets another 12 months I imagine depends on whether or not he has an ACL at season's end. Surely he'll have another op at some point this year - if holds, he gets another contract with a view to return in 2017; if it doesn't, he - I would hope - rather than be delisted, calls time himself and moves into a mentoring/moving into coaching role with the ressies. I don't want the club to lose him entirely and he's been working with the ressies in his time out