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09183305
27th June 2016, 10:02 AM
Cost perhaps?

Zlatorog
27th June 2016, 11:59 AM
Cost perhaps?
Probably.

gossipcom
27th June 2016, 12:22 PM
They addressed the issue earlier in the year. So it'll be on their website but if I remember correctly it was to do with costs etc.

http://m.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2016-04-29/sydney-swans-nwl-statement

CureTheSane
27th June 2016, 12:29 PM
I think it runs deeper.
Always nice to be one of the first in, but I'm not sold on the Women's teams being sustainable.
I hope they turn out to be, but IMO this is unlikely.

Of course if it all doesn't work, the AFL will likely release rescue packages for the teams that did participate anyway....

Triple B
27th June 2016, 01:47 PM
Given how the licences panned out, it's fair to assume that all of Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth were only ever going to get one team only. It's not a long stretch to think the Swans discussed it with GWS and when they said they were able to accommodate a womans team and they were up for it, it made sense to pull out early and not waste time and resources chasing something they were not 100% committed to with no guarantee of success...

CKunde
27th June 2016, 04:05 PM
Given how the licences panned out, it's fair to assume that all of Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth were only ever going to get one team only. It's not a long stretch to think the Swans discussed it with GWS and when they said they were able to accommodate a womans team and they were up for it, it made sense to pull out early and not waste time and resources chasing something they were not 100% committed to with no guarantee of success...

I reckon this is more likely what it was about; the GWS bid was just going to be stronger, a joint venture seemed pointless, and therefore better to wait until the next round of licences are available.

Mug Punter
27th June 2016, 10:35 PM
I reckon this is more likely what it was about; the GWS bid was just going to be stronger, a joint venture seemed pointless, and therefore better to wait until the next round of licences are available.

And I think this is an opportunity for GWS to get it right re community engagement, they ballsed it up terribly five years ago with that muppet Sheeds. They now have a great opportunity to get in with this and I think they may well get it right.

I suspect the AFL will effectively underwrite this comp, and that's fine by me, but I doubt if these teams will ever be really attractive commercially. And I also think Sydney will probably only ever be able to support one team though time will tell on that front

CKunde
28th June 2016, 01:31 AM
And I think this is an opportunity for GWS to get it right re community engagement, they ballsed it up terribly five years ago with that muppet Sheeds. They now have a great opportunity to get in with this and I think they may well get it right.

I suspect the AFL will effectively underwrite this comp, and that's fine by me, but I doubt if these teams will ever be really attractive commercially. And I also think Sydney will probably only ever be able to support one team though time will tell on that front

I'm pretty sure the AFL has committed to effectively funding the first year (pending any sponsor support, of course). Commercial viability will be interesting, as 7 and Fox are talking 1 game televised a week. In an 8 week comp, I don't think that is enough. That's a lot less televised games than 7mate had for the LFL a couple years back.

In terms of growth, it's hard to tell now if Sydney will be able to support more than one team. My expectation is we will, given the ridiculous participation growth, but we will see. There are plenty of players around to support multiple teams, just not that many from NSW/ACT. Testing data and the recent exhibition games suggest we have 10-15 players aged 18-30 that would be in the top 100 in Victoria. But we will get there very quickly with the U18s we have coming through.

I reckon Tasmania will be likely to get their own team, so it's possible is that future licences won't be limited to current AFL clubs, like the W-League.

CKunde
28th June 2016, 01:40 AM
The most exciting thing, from my perspective, is that there are genuine Western Sydney players that would be among those elite players. I think this is GWS' biggest opportunity with regards to the community engagement side of it.

Draft Renee Tomkins (Penrith/Auburn) and Mai Nguyen (UNSW), who are already superstars, and why not list Margot Vella (Maroubra/Auburn), Haneen Zreika (Auburn) & Angela Priftis (Auburn) who are up and coming U18s, while they are at it. All born and bred Western Sydney residents, two of them U18s All-Australians.

Kicking off the Western Sydney side with a bevy of genuine Western Sydney players has to be a good thing. No one will expect GWS to be as competitive as the Victorian sides for the first few years. Get the young players in the system, show the commitment to the community and secure future competitiveness at the same time.

saviour01
28th June 2016, 09:18 PM
Why would they want one? Does anyone actually think it will get crowds/rate on tv?

CKunde
28th June 2016, 11:25 PM
Why would they want one? Does anyone actually think it will get crowds/rate on tv?

A couple of the womens games have rated better than AFL games in the same week.

saviour01
28th June 2016, 11:40 PM
Link?

CKunde
29th June 2016, 12:51 AM
Link?

More watched women's footy on TV than Bombers' demise (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/more-watched-womens-footy-on-tv-than-bombers-demise-20150817-gj0zbj.html)

CureTheSane
29th June 2016, 01:08 AM
Bombers, lol
It's just a fascination with something new.
Personally I don't think it will last and in financially nonviable.

saviour01
29th June 2016, 01:23 PM
More watched women's footy on TV than Bombers' demise (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/more-watched-womens-footy-on-tv-than-bombers-demise-20150817-gj0zbj.html)

That's the only one I could find too. However, if you read the very first line


The AFL and Seven Sport have hailed the first live broadcast of a women's AFL game as a raging success after ratings were released on Monday.

It shows it was the first game ever on tv. You also said a couple of womens games have outrated the mens. Any link to a second or third games ratings? I literally can't find any other games bar the first....

AnnieH
29th June 2016, 05:10 PM
What a waste of time.
No one is interested in women's footy.
I give it one season.

CKunde
29th June 2016, 06:08 PM
That's the only one I could find too. However, if you read the very first line



It shows it was the first game ever on tv. You also said a couple of womens games have outrated the mens. Any link to a second or third games ratings? I literally can't find any other games bar the first....

I'm certain I've read that one of the games this year on Fox Footy - Melbourne vs Brisbane - did better than the men's that followed.

But I can't find any article supporting that. I'll keep looking!

saviour01
29th June 2016, 07:53 PM
Please do. I'd be shocked to see any sort of regular half decent tv ratings. Media week twitter usually post everything sport, nothing on there from what I can see.

Mediaweek (@MediaweekAUS) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS) or my twitter searches.

Granted, I haven't ever seen a decent level of womens afl. But I watched about 10 minutes of the sydneyafl v canberraafl womens rep game. Lets just say 10 minutes will be the total time I will ever watch of that.

CKunde
30th June 2016, 07:37 AM
Granted, I haven't ever seen a decent level of womens afl. But I watched about 10 minutes of the sydneyafl v canberraafl womens rep game. Lets just say 10 minutes will be the total time I will ever watch of that.

To be fair to that game, the best 30 players in NSW/ACT were ineligible to play, so it's not reflective of where the game is at.

ShortHalfHead
30th June 2016, 10:08 AM
Please do. I'd be shocked to see any sort of regular half decent tv ratings. Media week twitter usually post everything sport, nothing on there from what I can see.

Mediaweek (@MediaweekAUS) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/MediaweekAUS) or my twitter searches.

Granted, I haven't ever seen a decent level of womens afl. But I watched about 10 minutes of the sydneyafl v canberraafl womens rep game. Lets just say 10 minutes will be the total time I will ever watch of that.

Good on you Saviour. Mediaweek posts everything sport. I've just had a look. Last few posts are Game of Thrones, wolf Creek, Election special (Politics a sport, so I will give you that one), Nine entertainment, good food, Masterchef etc. Oh, there was a mention of Collingwood just before an SBS show. You asked CKunde for a link and he gave you one, then you asked for more..

You really should watch some top level girls footy. If Sydney Uni's Jen Lew tackled you, I suspect they would be calling for a stretcher.

saviour01
30th June 2016, 01:01 PM
Does it not post every sport ratings? Just because it posts other things, doesn't mean it doesn't post all sports ratings. AFL, League, union, soccer, tennis, golf, motorsport, think I've even seen some ufc ratings on there before.

CKundle said a couple of games had outrated the mens, then could only show the first ever game in 2015 and nothing since. I don't doubt the first ever game got half decent ratings (300k nationally is half decent I guess). Sorry if when someone says a couple I expected it to be more than the first ever.

Doubt it, 20 odd years as a rugby league front rower have copped my fair share of hits.

ShortHalfHead
30th June 2016, 10:35 PM
CKundle said a couple of games had outrated the mens, then could only show the first ever game in 2015 and nothing since. I don't doubt the first ever game got half decent ratings (300k nationally is half decent I guess). Sorry if when someone says a couple I expected it to be more than the first ever.

Doubt it, 20 odd years as a rugby league front rower have copped my fair share of hits.

In fact, CKunde (There isn't an "l" there) mentioned there were a "couple". You asked for the link and he sent you one. Then you asked for two more.

Three is more than a couple. Too many knocks from league?? Hope you don't teach maths.

saviour01
30th June 2016, 11:03 PM
In fact, CKunde (There isn't an "l" there) mentioned there were a "couple". You asked for the link and he sent you one. Then you asked for two more.

Three is more than a couple. Too many knocks from league?? Hope you don't teach maths.

Indeed. I asked for a link to a couple of games like he said. He gave one game. I asked " Any link to a second or third games ratings? I literally can't find any other games bar the first...." I was hoping to see something showing that it was fairly popular but all that can be found is the first game ever on tv. Wonder why nothing else has been published? What channel is it shown on and what days?

But either way happy to concede, womens afl is way more popular than mens afl. Happy?

saviour01
30th June 2016, 11:33 PM
Ok, I was bored. Can't find any info on which womens games are televised so will try to find them all.

Round 1 -

Melbourne 3.3 (21) def. by Western Bulldogs 6.5 (41) FTA - not in top 20 < 322k. STV - not in top 20 < 74k Sunday 6 March 2016 TV Tonight (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/03/sunday-6-march-2016.html)

SA Blue 5.4 (34) d SA Red 5.2 (32) FTA - Not in top 20 < 224k STV - Not in top 20 <50k Saturday 2 April 2016 TV Tonight (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/04/saturday-2-april-2016.html)

Sydney Swans 9.8 (62) d GWS Giants 5.3 (33) FTA - Not in top 20 < 265k STV - Not in top 20 < 55k Saturday 9 April 2016 TV Tonight (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/04/saturday-9-april-2016.html)

Northern Territory 13.11 (89) d Tasmania 7.11 (53) FTA - Not in top 20 < 278k STV - Not in top 20 < 47k Sunday 10 April 2016 TV Tonight (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/04/sunday-10-april-2016.html)

Brisbane Lions 5.8 (38) d GCFC 3.6 (24) FTA - Not in top 20 < 284k STV - Not in top 20 < 52k Sunday 17 April 2016 TV Tonight (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/04/sunday-17-april-2016.html)

Round 2 -

Melbourne 14.7 (91) d Brisbane Lions 3.2 (20) FTA - Not in top 20 < 313k STV - Not in top 20 < 47k Sunday 22 May 2016 TV Tonight (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/05/sunday-22-may-2016.html)

Western Bulldogs 8.5 (53) d Western Australia 5.10 (40) FTA - Not in top 20 < 310k STV - Not in top 20 < 49k Sunday 5 June 2016 TV Tonight (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2016/06/sunday-5-june-2016.html)

South Australia 4.3 (27) d NSW/ACT 3.7 (25) FTA - Not in top 20 < 284k STV - Not in top 20 < 52k Same as above



So literally not 1 womens game this year rated in the top 20 of the day (shows like judge judy, peppa pig, family fued etc did). Would love to see some ratings if you can find any.

Danzar
1st July 2016, 01:22 AM
I create a forum primarily for women to talk women's footy, and the first thread degenerates into a TV ratings analysis of the men's game vs the women's game. You are missing the point entirely, and are disrespecting female AFL players along with it.

If you're not interested in the new women's national comp, or any women's comp for that matter, that's totally cool. This is not your place to be.

Thread closed.