RWO Game Day Thread - Finals Week 3 & Divisional Grand Finals - September 9-10

[Norris Lurker]

For some reason I never got the fixture email this week. But this week's games are:

Saturday 9th September
Preliminary Finals, Blacktown International Sportspark
9:30am - Division Two - UNSW-ES v Western Suburbs
11:30am - Division One - St George v Pennant Hills
2:10pm - Premier Division - North Shore v Pennant Hills

Preliminary Finals, Henson Park
9:45am - Division Five - Camden v UTS
12pm - Division Four - Western Magic v UTS
2:15pm - Women Division One - Western Magic v Manly

Sunday 10th September
Grand Finals, Blacktown International Sportspark
9am � Under 19s Two � South-West Cats v Southern Power
11:30am � Under 19s One � North Shore v St George
2pm � Women Premier Division � UNSW-ES v Sydney Uni
4:30pm � Division Three � North Shore v Camden

[ShortHalfHead]

Congratulations to the list managers for Wests and UTS.

5th placed (on percentage) UTS (10-6) into Div 5 grand final defeating minor premiers Camden (13-2)
4th placed Wests (11-7) into Div 2 grand final defeating second placed UNSW (17-1)

[saviour01]

Uts in div 4 as well.

[water boy]

Uts in div 4 as well.

Good luck mate I hope you can stack your team so these grubs don't win there 50th div 4 comp in a row.


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[saviour01]

Do we outsource it to our u19s who can play the second gf in 2 weeks?

Do div 1 bring up some u19s (I think 9 of them played in prems throughout the season, plus heaps in div 1) after their gf?

Does that mean we get the guys who drop out of div 1. But then do div 4 players lose their @@@@ that they lost their spot after playing 15 games to an u19s who hasn't played a game. Huge juggling spot, just would love to roll UTS.

[saviour01]

Penno into prems gf over north shore. Jake Gunstone was really happy about it. Imagine sledging a side when down by 40 at 3/4 time that your prems team (which you have never played in) is going well.

[Westy]

Saviour are you able to clarify how McParland and Dylan Addison were able to play Div 1? Noticed them both on the team sheet online. Says McParland has played 9 Prems games which would over qualify him given Prems are out. Addison 2 x Div 1 games and 3 x Prems games which again doesn't meet qualifications..???

[saviour01]

Saviour are you able to clarify how McParland and Dylan Addison were able to play Div 1? Noticed them both on the team sheet online. Says McParland has played 9 Prems games which would over qualify him given Prems are out. Addison 2 x Div 1 games and 3 x Prems games which again doesn't meet qualifications..???

6.9 Subject to By-laws 6.10, 6.11, 6.12 and 6.13:
i) any senior men�s player who has played in a combined total of nine or more home and
away matches in any higher men�s division(s) (including Sydney Uni NEAFL), shall not be
eligible to play final matches in a lower division:

Finals matches don't count so McParland is only on 8 home and away.

Sydney Swans and GWS Giants �Top Up� players and Under Age Representative Players (Amended
01/02/2017)
6.16 Sydney Swans and GWS Giants NEAFL �Top Up�, NSW State Academy Series, U18 Allies &
U16 National Championship matches will count towards finals eligibility for the players AFL
Sydney club.
6.17 Under these By-Laws the �player� is only permitted to play in AFL Sydney Premier Division,
Division One or Under 19 Division One Finals.

Dyl Addo played a fair bit in the neafl as a gws top up player and they count as div 1 games (lol).

[Westy]

Yep fair call on McParland. Top up rule... WOW

[saviour01]

I know. It's pretty bad but I guess you just play by the rules.

[5yearplan]

Addison should not be playing div 1. Exemptions and by laws he had a special exemption to play on gws list.

All for him coming to play prems but div 1 after prems out is a bit rich.

You would think the league and even clubs would acknowledge him playing div 1 with those concessions isn't quite right.

[monopoly19]

Why hasn't UTS Div 4 been promoted to Div 3 after their last few years? Not being a smartarse, I'm just pretty new to the comp and curious.

[tara]

Why hasn't UTS Div 4 been promoted to Div 3 after their last few years? Not being a smartarse, I'm just pretty new to the comp and curious.

Because each yr uts tell the league their numbers have dwindled n the carnt compete at a higher level

[saviour01]

They have a div 2 side that comes last every year there. So its more a matter of does their div 2 drop or their div 3 promote? In the end they just keep as is. But when their div 2 side is out of contention (usually half way through the year) then they start managing their list.

3 teams promoted from div 4 last year and the premiers werent one of them. Those 3 teams finished top 3 in div 3.

[redsox]

6.9 Subject to By-laws 6.10, 6.11, 6.12 and 6.13:
i) any senior men�s player who has played in a combined total of nine or more home and
away matches in any higher men�s division(s) (including Sydney Uni NEAFL), shall not be
eligible to play final matches in a lower division:

Finals matches don't count so McParland is only on 8 home and away.

Sydney Swans and GWS Giants �Top Up� players and Under Age Representative Players (Amended
01/02/2017)
6.16 Sydney Swans and GWS Giants NEAFL �Top Up�, NSW State Academy Series, U18 Allies &
U16 National Championship matches will count towards finals eligibility for the players AFL
Sydney club.
6.17 Under these By-Laws the �player� is only permitted to play in AFL Sydney Premier Division,
Division One or Under 19 Division One Finals.

Dyl Addo played a fair bit in the neafl as a gws top up player and they count as div 1 games (lol).


U r kidding. How many hours have u spent on these message boards complaining about UTS stacking. A player of NEAFL ability is dropped back into a div 1 prelim that u win by 8 points. People who live in glass houses shouldn't sook it up.

Up to this point u had me on the UTS thing. But u have proven that your club is as happy as any to use the rules as u chose.

As u will when u load up with your 19s next week

[saviour01]

Im actually thinking of outsourcing the gf. We all sit on the hill and drink any time the player who replaced you gets a touch.

Is Jake Brown and Shippers able to play div 4? They might get a touch or two.

[saviour01]

But lets be honest, up by 40 points at 3/4 time... we clearly switched off and focused on next week. A few late goals and saying 8 points makes the game seem a lot closer than it actually was.

[redsox]

But lets be honest, up by 40 points at 3/4 time... we clearly switched off and focused on next week. A few late goals and saying 8 points makes the game seem a lot closer than it actually was.

Your club used the rules to play a former afl player in div 1. Its in the rules so that is ok.

Your div four team was way to good to be in div four. Way too good

So stop complaining about UTS doing it.

[saviour01]

Yes mum.

- - - Updated - - -

I heard Chris Corby's phone was running hot yesterday. Seems a few complaints going his way from your mob?

Well done to our u19s today, absolutely dominant. Great result for the club. 2 more next week.

[Doctor]

I know I'm not a regular here but I was at the U19s Div 1 GF today and wanted to comment on how great a game it was. I'm biased towards the winning team but the overall standard of play was excellent from both teams.

Well done St George too. :-)

[Norris Lurker]

This week's RWO Wrap of the weekend action (http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/forum/showthread.php/43213-Sydney-AFL-Finals-Week-3-2017)is now online

[ShortHalfHead]

All men's divisions won by premier division clubs

[The Runner]

All men's divisions won by premier division clubs

Does that suggest that the proposed structure changes are right?

Any word on changes to the Women's comp? There are 3 very distinct classes of teams.
1. Some very serious and impressive elite sides (Top 5-6 in Prems)
2. Some improving and growing sides (bottom couple of Prems and the top 3-4 in Div 1)
3. Social but rapidly growing sides (the rest)

Would be a shame to not see this managed properly. Sending any Div 1 side to Prems is not going to go well. And keeping these newer sides in Div 1 against established sides like Manly, Magic and Saints is not going to help new entrants with cricket scores being kicked.

Surely it's 3 grades next year?

[ShortHalfHead]

Does that suggest that the proposed structure changes are right?

Any word on changes to the Women's comp? There are 3 very distinct classes of teams.
1. Some very serious and impressive elite sides (Top 5-6 in Prems)
2. Some improving and growing sides (bottom couple of Prems and the top 3-4 in Div 1)
3. Social but rapidly growing sides (the rest)

Would be a shame to not see this managed properly. Sending any Div 1 side to Prems is not going to go well. And keeping these newer sides in Div 1 against established sides like Manly, Magic and Saints is not going to help new entrants with cricket scores being kicked.

Surely it's 3 grades next year?

I don't think it is far off the mark, for a while at least. I think there will be some blowouts in both divisions reserve grades.

Re the Women's, that is work in progress over the next 3 years or so. League intending to have 3 divisions in 2018. Currently 22 teams in two divs. They are looking at 2 new teams to make it a 8-8-8 split.

Already been advised that there will almost certainly be 8 women's teams in Prem Div. Not sure if that equates to promo/relegation (Wollongong should have been in PD the last few years) UTS went up this year and went OK with 4 wins and a draw.

I think that next year it should be
Prem Div - Same as this year except Wollongong Up and Western Wolves Down
Div 1 - Wolves, Manly, Blacktown, North Shore, Penno, East Coast, Camden and either Syd Uni or UNSW reserves
Div 2 - Rest incl remaining reserve grade teams (Aub-Penrith, Newtown), Wollondilly, Campbelltown, Moorebank, + 2

[saviour01]

Does that suggest that the proposed structure changes are right?


I think so. Seemingly more than ever, but prems clubs have been dominating all grades.

Camden has been doing alright, but sides in 1/3/5 will probably be found out next year in a firsts/reserves/19s structure when playing the likes of north shore/penno/st george/syd uni.

[CKunde]

Does that suggest that the proposed structure changes are right?

Any word on changes to the Women's comp? There are 3 very distinct classes of teams.
1. Some very serious and impressive elite sides (Top 5-6 in Prems)
2. Some improving and growing sides (bottom couple of Prems and the top 3-4 in Div 1)
3. Social but rapidly growing sides (the rest)

Would be a shame to not see this managed properly. Sending any Div 1 side to Prems is not going to go well. And keeping these newer sides in Div 1 against established sides like Manly, Magic and Saints is not going to help new entrants with cricket scores being kicked.

Surely it's 3 grades next year?


The most important thing for 2018 is the Premier Division points cap. This has to be introduced immediately and set no higher than 45 (based on the current proposal), with the only concessions being years of service and incentives for having/developing Youth Girls, otherwise the competition will suffer, which will have long term negative affects on the AFLW side.

There are soft proposals around stratifying the cap based on ladder position, which may be worth considering in future years, but reality is most players are going to choose as side based on three things, 1) Financial incentives... (light years)... 2) Premiership credentials and 3) Quality of the football programme.
The competition already is imbalanced and there are no incentives for developing juniors, only to see them whisked away to the top side that can offer incentives. Manly with a local junior that's currently playing for USyd is a potential Premier Division side. North Shore with local juniors currently on scholarships to USyd is a potential Premier Division Side. USyd, that don't have juniors at all, drift down the ladder a spot or two without these three players.

I think when you consider some of the ramifications of the points cap, (i.e. high quality players being left out of the PD side some weeks due to the cap not form or ability) the Premier Division sides with reserves have to be in the same division. I think it's fair that it's the lowest division and the sides that are in this one to make up the numbers should probably be given some opportunity to preference being in the stand alone division or the division that contains all the PD reserve grade sides.

4 PD sides currently have reserves and I reckon UTS will follow in 2018.

The other thing in the mid-term is the need to bridge the gap between U18s YGs and senior women's. U18s YGs should be age increased to U19.5s and become the domain of the senior clubs. Alternatively starting with an U25s comp that is age reduced over a few years to U19.5s may work and allow U18s YGs to continue as is.

[The Student]

Not sure what clubs are paying players at the Women's level but there might be some. A big attraction will be the ability to play alongside GWS players like Nic Barr, Amanda Farrugia or Maddy Collier so SU, UNSW and Mac Uni have a leg up there already. The other aspect, and I don't know if there is a diplomatic way of saying this, is that the inner city clubs will always have a bigger player base because of the demographics of the area. Have a points cap all you like but that's not going to encourage people living in the inner west or wherever to go and play for Penrith.

What would the percentage of Women's PD players that have played at a junior level? It would have to be infinitesimally small surely. Sure that will change in the coming years as AFLW grows but for now it's just women who have played other sports and start the game as an adult.


The most important thing for 2018 is the Premier Division points cap. This has to be introduced immediately and set no higher than 45 (based on the current proposal), with the only concessions being years of service and incentives for having/developing Youth Girls, otherwise the competition will suffer, which will have long term negative affects on the AFLW side.

There are soft proposals around stratifying the cap based on ladder position, which may be worth considering in future years, but reality is most players are going to choose as side based on three things, 1) Financial incentives... (light years)... 2) Premiership credentials and 3) Quality of the football programme.
The competition already is imbalanced and there are no incentives for developing juniors, only to see them whisked away to the top side that can offer incentives. Manly with a local junior that's currently playing for USyd is a potential Premier Division side. North Shore with local juniors currently on scholarships to USyd is a potential Premier Division Side. USyd, that don't have juniors at all, drift down the ladder a spot or two without these three players.

I think when you consider some of the ramifications of the points cap, (i.e. high quality players being left out of the PD side some weeks due to the cap not form or ability) the Premier Division sides with reserves have to be in the same division. I think it's fair that it's the lowest division and the sides that are in this one to make up the numbers should probably be given some opportunity to preference being in the stand alone division or the division that contains all the PD reserve grade sides.

4 PD sides currently have reserves and I reckon UTS will follow in 2018.

The other thing in the mid-term is the need to bridge the gap between U18s YGs and senior women's. U18s YGs should be age increased to U19.5s and become the domain of the senior clubs. Alternatively starting with an U25s comp that is age reduced over a few years to U19.5s may work and allow U18s YGs to continue as is.

[Tim Freedman]

I know. It's pretty bad but I guess you just play by the rules.

Pot - Kettle - Black. You are the first to jump on and get stuck into UTS but when the balls in your court you state it's all ok because it's under the rules. Well UTS play under the rules as well. Personally I don't mind if Dyl Addison wants to play Div 1. Good on him for giving back

[saviour01]

Yeh, and others got stuck into us for it... and i can understand why. Or should I make sure my club doesnt play by the rules and go by some moral code of red and white online?

A few of the guys dyl addo grew up playing with and his best mates are in that div 1 side. Not justifying the rule but its different picking him as a local junior whos gone off and played at the highest level and now wants to help his club and mates win a flag compared to guys like shippers and browny who we could also select in div 1.

[The Student]

How does the bloke who has played all season and gotten dropped for him feel about it?

Anyway should be a good game, irrespective of who is selected!


Yeh, and others got stuck into us for it... and i can understand why. Or should I make sure my club doesnt play by the rules and go by some moral code of red and white online?

A few of the guys dyl addo grew up playing with and his best mates are in that div 1 side. Not justifying the rule but its different picking him as a local junior whos gone off and played at the highest level and now wants to help his club and mates win a flag compared to guys like shippers and browny who we could also select in div 1.

[saviour01]

Hopefully he takes his frustrations out on UTS!

Who from the bombers will confirm that you are in talks with Trent Stubbs? And Camden are in talks with Baker and Drinkwater?

[CKunde]

A big attraction will be the ability to play alongside GWS players like Nic Barr, Amanda Farrugia or Maddy Collier so SU, UNSW and Mac Uni have a leg up there already. The other aspect, and I don't know if there is a diplomatic way of saying this, is that the inner city clubs will always have a bigger player base because of the demographics of the area. Have a points cap all you like but that's not going to encourage people living in the inner west or wherever to go and play for Penrith.

What would the percentage of Women's PD players that have played at a junior level? It would have to be infinitesimally small surely. Sure that will change in the coming years as AFLW grows but for now it's just women who have played other sports and start the game as an adult.

Most of the better players have played juniors. At Sydney uni currently there's Nic Barr, Steph Walker, Erin McKinnon, Pippy Clegg, Isabella Rudolph. I don't know all the sides well enough, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say average PD sides would have 5/22 of their best that were juniors. Minority, yes. Unremarkable, hardly.

Basically every PD side has an AFLW player - UTS the only exception. We have Renee Tomkins, the only NSW/ACT player selected in the State of Origin. Playing with AFLW players is likely a draw, I agree, but every team offers this.

Hence the priorities likely being the 3 I named above.

Points system for Sydney Women's PD will be the best thing for women's football AFL NSW/ACT could do.

Wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being trialled for men's too. Introducing it would certainly remove a lot of the complaints levelled at USyd mens around the NEAFL players (whether those complaints are legitimate or not).

[Footy Barista]

Hopefully he takes his frustrations out on UTS!

Who from the bombers will confirm that you are in talks with Trent Stubbs? And Camden are in talks with Baker and Drinkwater?

Haven't north shore learnt from this year buying players doesn't have a great return rate ?

[Clubman]

Who from the bombers will confirm that you are in talks with Trent Stubbs? And Camden are in talks with Baker and Drinkwater?

Ha Ha - you now have started on ECE again. You sould worry about your own job Mini Bus
Earl Shaw - To Coach Parramatta Dyl Addison - To Coach St George Prems
Have not heard about you as yet. Maybe clubs can't wait 5+ years

[bomber.]

Haven't north shore learnt from this year buying players doesn't have a great return rate ?

No-one bought in at North Shore champ. At least 3 players gave up cash to play at Gore Hill for nothing. I don't know that the club is opposed to the idea, just didn't need to do it.

[The Runner]

No-one bought in at North Shore champ. At least 3 players gave up cash to play at Gore Hill for nothing. I don't know that the club is opposed to the idea, just didn't need to do it.

Amazing what a PowerPoint presentation can do...

[Footy Barista]

[QUOTE=bomber.;739686]No-one bought in at North Shore champ. At least 3 players gave up cash to play at Gore Hill for nothing. I don't know that the club is opposed to the idea, just didn't need to do it

Right okay haha

[unconfuseme]

Dyl Addison has returned to his footballing roots, and should be acknowledged as a role model for every Sydney player who achieves higher honors. He is playing for the love of the game and the club, and the opportunity to play with his brother, and the Sydney AFL is better for it - to his credit, for the whole season, he has worked around his employment commitments and played for whom ever he has been asked to play - GWS NEAFL, and St George in whatever grade he could play (again around work commitments), and provided 100% commitment to every coach he has served. Like every St George player, he pays his own registration fees, or doesn't get a game. He has earned the right to play in whatever game he has the opportunity to play in. Once again, he IS a proud Dragons junior ... that's on more junior than the opposition will field come GF day in the Div 1, and one more junior than UTS will field in any game ... just sayin'

[The Student]

Our Division One side actually has a number of players from our designated junior clubs who have since played in our 19s, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story I suppose. Spare us the fluff about the romanticism of Addison giving back to his junior club and working around employment commitments - if you think it is a noble gesture of him to parachute in for a GF when he clearly hasn't qualified other than via a loophole then good luck to you. That said, as dubious as it is, it's in the rules so fair play. Just tell it how it is, you're trying to win a flag by any means possible. It's just funny that Saints, pure as the driven snow, would be so cynical in their approach. I guess they're no better than anyone else - next you'll be telling me Santa Claus isn't real!


Dyl Addison has returned to his footballing roots, and should be acknowledged as a role model for every Sydney player who achieves higher honors. He is playing for the love of the game and the club, and the opportunity to play with his brother, and the Sydney AFL is better for it - to his credit, for the whole season, he has worked around his employment commitments and played for whom ever he has been asked to play - GWS NEAFL, and St George in whatever grade he could play (again around work commitments), and provided 100% commitment to every coach he has served. Like every St George player, he pays his own registration fees, or doesn't get a game. He has earned the right to play in whatever game he has the opportunity to play in. Once again, he IS a proud Dragons junior ... that's on more junior than the opposition will field come GF day in the Div 1, and one more junior than UTS will field in any game ... just sayin'

[unconfuseme]

Ironic the fuss around one player, who has played Div 4, Div 1 and Prems for his original junior club during the season, and is fully qualified to play in the games he is chosen for ... hmmm.

So how many will SU be playing from their NEAFL List in a Premier division GF this week? ... and how many of them are juniors?

Deflect all you like, people will see what SU have done for what it is and make up their own minds about it ... certainly no "romanticism" about it, hypocrisy does come to mind though ... and we wont even touch on the flow on effect that this has to every lower grade, when the NEAFL listed players push "players who have played Prems all season" out of the side ... but fair play if that is what the AFL is prepared to allow.

Good Luck Penno, should be a cracking game, lets hope the best team wins!:clap:

[The Student]

He has played one Div 1 game. Answer me this - if he wasn't such a martyr and had to fulfil employment commitments (imagine that, a job interfering with footy, you should build a statue of him) would he have played those 8 NEAFL games in PD or Div 1? I think we know the answer to that. He has qualified via a loophole which will undoubtedly be closed in 2018. This is not even in dispute.

One player will come back from the NEAFL side from the Lions game, and guess what - he will replace another NE listed player who isn't eligible. What makes someone like Luke Vella a NEAFL player if he hasn't played a game? Because he trains with them? I assume you know that players from all clubs are able to trial in the pre-season and can go on the list, although maybe you don't because Saints have never sent anyone. The NE listed players on Saturday will have a total of about 20 NE games between them this year which is slightly more than double what the Saints Div 1 side will have. Cue outrage!

If you want to talk about lower grades, what effect do you reckon putting half a dozen of your obviously very good 19s into a Div 1 GF side will do when the players who are omitted go down to Div 4? Not much can be done about the three division drop given that your club only has three sides but must be nice for the guys who are new to the game to be turfed out of Div 4 for the GF. Reckon they'll be back next year?

Your juniors argument is a good one - I could ask how many Saints players study at your football club which makes about as much sense. Your club oversees a huge suburban area and we are based in the CBD, in an educational institution where people start at 17 or 18. We have a few affiliated junior clubs that cover a radius of about 3km from campus. The demographics of the inner city are significantly different to those of the suburbs, and so on. You are comparing apples and oranges but I suspect you know this. Or maybe you just are that stupid.

Truth be told nobody at SU cares what people like you think. You're uninformed and so ridiculously biased that your opinion is worthless. I mean really, you think that Dylan Addison - with one Div 1 game to his name - has legitimately qualified for a GF. Your credibility (or what little you had) just went out the window. Hope you stick around to enjoy the show on Saturday.


Ironic the fuss around one player, who has played Div 4, Div 1 and Prems for his original junior club during the season, and is fully qualified to play in the games he is chosen for ... hmmm.

So how many will SU be playing from their NEAFL List in a Premier division GF this week? ... and how many of them are juniors?

Deflect all you like, people will see what SU have done for what it is and make up their own minds about it ... certainly no "romanticism" about it, hypocrisy does come to mind though ... and we wont even touch on the flow on effect that this has to every lower grade, when the NEAFL listed players push "players who have played Prems all season" out of the side ... but fair play if that is what the AFL is prepared to allow.

Good Luck Penno, should be a cracking game, lets hope the best team wins!:clap:

[saviour01]

Only half a dozen 19s? Last i heard it was close to the full dozen.

[The Student]

You'll have some decisions to make at the selection table tonight then won't you!


Only half a dozen 19s? Last i heard it was close to the full dozen.

[Clubman]

D Addison - played 1 game Div 1. Prems & GWS had byes What,s the rule dropping back to Div1 after playing NEAFL the week before.

[The Student]

No drama with that.

I notice that the Saints Div 1 side have 20 NEAFL games between them. That's as many as our Prem Div side that we have been copping grief over. Interesting!


D Addison - played 1 game Div 1. Prems & GWS had byes What,s the rule dropping back to Div1 after playing NEAFL the week before.

[saviour01]

Yeh, no one at all has mentioned us playing guys with neafl experience in div 1.

[unconfuseme]

"The Student doth protest too much, methinks"

TEN (10 NEAFL Listed Players) was the answer we were after ... a lot of North Shore juniors too (?).

We can't blame them for yearning for an education, can we ...:rofl.

[unconfuseme]

Great day of AFL at BIS today, and congratulations to the "powerhouse" clubs, North Shore (Div 2), St George (Div 1), and Pennant Hills (Premier Division) who thrilled their faithful throng of supporters, by collecting Premiership Flags. Bad luck for Sydney Uni, who add nothing to the trophy cabinet this year, and Wests who were also well supported today.

Should be another cracking day tomorrow, with Wests getting a chance to atone for today's disappointment against UTS in Div 5.

The high flying St George Dragons will have huge support again, as they look to prise the Div 4 Flag from defending champs, UTS's grasp, and add an unprecedented third (3rd) Flag for the club in season 2017.

Magic and W'gong Saints will be duking it out in Womens Div 1.

A great year for Sydney Club AFL, regardless of how those clashes are decided, and at least a chance for some compensatory silverware for a University team!:clap: