Schneider Vs Bolton J

[Bleed Red Blood]

Who is the better player?

Schneider gets my vote.

[midaro]

I see where you're going, and yes, I agree that Schneider will eventually become a better in-and-under midfielder than J Bolton.

Unfortunately, we're not likely to see much of Schneider in that role this year (given a c.6 week injury + reserves for fitness + weeks to regain form in forward pocket, etc).

[Bleed Red Blood]

Yeah pitty injuries happen..... he was really on fire too.

[ScottH]

Scheider.

Esp. after Saturdays performance. It was the first time I have seen him play in the centre of the ground and actually run the ball out with his speed rather than a quick kick, alas it was his running speed that brought his downfall. Till that point he set the game on edge, with the chance we may get over the line.

A very exciting midfielder/crumbing forward. He gets the crowd excited.

[TheHood]

Originally posted by hemsleys
Scheider.

Esp. after Saturdays performance. It was the first time I have seen him play in the centre of the ground and actually run the ball out with his speed rather than a quick kick, alas it was his running speed that brought his downfall. Till that point he set the game on edge, with the chance we may get over the line.

A very exciting midfielder/crumbing forward. He gets the crowd excited.

Had me out of my seat with that behind that he kicked. He ran so far and must have been knackered by the time he got there to line the kick up. Was a real shame.

I reckon Jude is fine so why are we actually in this debate at the moment?

Geesh, a few losses and the weirest threads get started.

[Schneidergirl]

Originally posted by TheHood

Geesh, a few losses and the weirest threads get started.

Here here!!!!

How can you even compare them? They play different styles and different positions!

Not going to even bother to vote on this.

[BAM_BAM]

Originally posted by TheHood
Had me out of my seat with that behind that he kicked. He ran so far and must have been knackered by the time he got there to line the kick up. Was a real shame.



I had thoughts of goal of the year flashing through my head as he hurtled towards the 50, then realised the most important ingrediant was for him to actually kick it. I crossed my fingers, held my hands together in prayer and said, "just kick it Adam, just kick it through" D'OH!!!

[stellation]

yep, I think the little legs had nothing in them after that run and he was just going too fast to kick straight anyway...

exciting stuff though! And I love how he bounces the ball, really hammers it down with his right hand...

[NMWBloods]

I don't see much point in this comparison at the moment, but I still think Schneider's missed goal with 3 min to go in Q1 was a major turning point in the game. We were solidly in control at that stage and that would have put us 3 goals in front just as the rain started. Instead, Essendon took the ball the length of the field kicked a goal and then seemed to become inspired and kicked two more.

After all the hard work to get to the spot he was, it was a very easy shot - open 40m out directly in front. He missed a few of those running goals last year too. If he can't make them he should dish off.

[Mike_B]

I think he actually tripped on the 50m line :D

[floppinab]

Far from it, he did everything right slowed and steadied the last few steps, really looked like he was going to nail it.

As opposed to Goodesy who you can usually tell prior to the ball hitting the boot when he is going to miss!!

[Go Swannies]

What a fascinating thread. Just as I often lie awake at night wondering which of the Barrys is the best - Leo or Hall? In the finer points of the game - Goodes or Crouch? Paul Williams or Jason Ball? The permutations are endless.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by floppinab
Far from it, he did everything right slowed and steadied the last few steps, really looked like he was going to nail it.

That's why it was so frustrating - he actually did take a steadying step, but he still missed. Very disappointing and costly.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
The permutations are endless.
Wrong ;) , if we are comparing a pair of players, there are only about 780 possibilities from a playing list of 40 players, hardly endless in my book.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by Newbie
Wrong ;) , if we are comparing a pair of players, there are only about 780 possibilities from a playing list of 40 players, hardly endless in my book.

Well. . . Get on with it.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Newbie
Wrong ;) , if we are comparing a pair of players, there are only about 780 possibilities from a playing list of 40 players, hardly endless in my book.

Why not have comparisons in terms of different positions or different skills?

Why limit it to pairs?

;)

BTW - it's combinations not permutations in this case!!

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Why not have comparisons in terms of different positions or different skills?

Why limit it to pairs?

;)

BTW - it's combinations not permutations in this case!!

What about I name the Swan player and you pick the injury?

My Complete Oxford defines a permutation as:
"any one of the range of possible groupings.
any combination or selection of a specified number of things from a larger group, esp. Brit. matches in a football pool."

Of course if the array was Bolton, Bolton, Barry, Ball and Barry Hall then it could be an alliteration instead?

[liz]

Originally posted by Go Swannies

My Complete Oxford defines a permutation as:
"any one of the range of possible groupings.
any combination or selection of a specified number of things from a larger group, esp. Brit. matches in a football pool."



From a mathematician's point of view, the distinction is whether the order of the items matters. So if the question:

"Who is the better player - Jude or Schneider?"

is the same as the question

"Who is the better player - Schneider or Jude?"

then we are talking combinations rather than permutations, as NMW indicated.

[NMWBloods]

Permutations depend on the order, whereas combinations depend only on what is chosen, no matter the order.

So, for example:

Whose hamstring injury is more annoying:
- O'Loughlin
- Fixter
- Schneider

has only one combination (where order is not important) but 6 permutations (where order matters).

From a playing list of 40 players, choosing 2 does give 780 combinations but also gives 1,560 permutations (ie: it is double if the order is important, which obviously it is not in this case).

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by lizz
From a mathematician's point of view, the distinction is whether the order of the items matters. So if the question:

"Who is the better player - Jude or Schneider?"

is the same as the question

"Who is the better player - Schneider or Jude?"

then we are talking combinations rather than permutations, as NMW indicated.

From a linguistic point of view, the mathematical view would have to be:

"Who is the better player - Schneider or J Bolton?"

or

"Who is the better player - Adam S or Jude?

or the use of mixed surname/first name makes it spin doctoring.

Now I'm waiting for a specialist in symbolic logic to step in.

[Nico]

No contest. Schneider by a mile.

[Grant]

Schneider wins hands down.He started showing what he can do as a midfielder,i really think we would have got any where near essendon in the last qtr if it wasn't for him.I haven't seen a sydney midfielder dominate like that for quite a while.

Damn the hammie,just as things were looking up.

[Destructive]

Schniederman.

[sharpie]

I suggest that those who believe that Schneider is at present a better player are a vocal minority.

I voted for Jude. I believe he is a better player at present, but perhaps Adam has been in better form. In the future, Adam may well be a better player, but that isnt the question now.

I would certainly suggest that Jude is more important to our team at the moment, as he is one of our main midfielders, however ineffectual some think he may be currently.

[liz]

Originally posted by sharpie
I suggest that those who believe that Schneider is at present a better player are a vocal minority.

I voted for Jude. I believe he is a better player at present, but perhaps Adam has been in better form. In the future, Adam may well be a better player, but that isnt the question now.

I would certainly suggest that Jude is more important to our team at the moment, as he is one of our main midfielders, however ineffectual some think he may be currently.

I pretty much agree with that. Remember that Jude was third in our best and fairest last year and had a pretty consistent year.

Schneider is continuing to show glimpses of what he might be able to deliver in a couple of years time but at the moment he is only capable of cameos - not a criticism of him, just a reflection of where he is in his physical development.

Also not sure how sensible a comparison it is. If I project forward what Adam might be capable of if he continues on his current development path, I see more of a Paul Williams type than a Jude Bolton type.

[NMWBloods]

My view is that at this point in time Bolton is more important for the side.

Unless something dramatic is done by Bolton, barring injury Schneider will clearly be more important by the end of season 2005.

Schneider has better skills and with just a little more experience he will become a much better player. At the moment experience is the only thing giving Bolton the edge, but that will gradually disappear.