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    Cale Morton is very stiff not to have been nominated so far.

    He had 30 touches yesterday (20 of which were kicks) and a goal.

    It has to be his turn.
    And the man who started it all, the Schneiderman . . . . .

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    Dalziel is too old for the NRS!

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    Yep by 3 months. Morton should the R20 nomination sewn up in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMWBloods View Post
    I much prefer the option of taking footballers and improving their fitness and athleticism, than taking an athlete and trying to teach them football. A footballer understands the flow of the game and where to position themselves and can read where the ball is going. This is one of the keys to success of Geelong IMO, and answers one of the other threads about positioning.
    very true

    i dont remember ablett jnr getting a rising star nomination, not sure on the others (ablett probably did anyway)
    Theres not much left to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMWBloods View Post
    I much prefer the option of taking footballers and improving their fitness and athleticism, than taking an athlete and trying to teach them football. A footballer understands the flow of the game and where to position themselves and can read where the ball is going. This is one of the keys to success of Geelong IMO, and answers one of the other threads about positioning.
    I think ideally you need a mix of the two. You can take a slow midfielder with poor endurance and improve those areas to some degree but there is a limit. And a team can cope with a couple of these types if they are good ball winners. But sadly you look at players like Schmidt and Moore who both have excellent football brains and know that their lack of footspeed and natural endurance is probably going to stop them becoming top notch AFL players. That doesn't mean there's no place for them and I'm not advocating they be moved on. But a main ball winning brigade in a few years time of Moore, Schmidt and Bird is - as a group- not going to be quick enough.

    The athletes have their place and a lot of them seem well suited to defence, where they are behind the play, rather than having to make it. I don't think it's coincidence that the three Irishmen currently entrenched in their teams are mostly playing as half-back flankers / back pockets. Nor that Murphy is being groomed as a CHB rather than as a forward.

    Daniel Harris from the Roos is a case in point. He's very good round the packs but probably can't spend more than 60-70% of time on the ground at the pace the modern day game is played. Other slowish ball winners, like Mitchell, Kirk, maybe Cross have the endurance thing nailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liz View Post
    I think ideally you need a mix of the two.
    Ideally I think you are right. I would weight the balance towards footballers, but a few real athletes can add run (and sometimes something unexpected) to the side. I think that Geelong and the all-conquering Brisbane team are/were more weighted toward footballers. It's great to be able to get running outside midfielders or rebounding half bank flankers who are footballers, but there are not so many of them and that's where the athletes can fit in as you say. Just need to be careful it's not overdone. The most difficult ones are the few of ours you've noted - good footballing brains and skills but not the best athletes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NMWBloods View Post
    I much prefer the option of taking footballers and improving their fitness and athleticism, than taking an athlete and trying to teach them football. A footballer understands the flow of the game and where to position themselves and can read where the ball is going. This is one of the keys to success of Geelong IMO, and answers one of the other threads about positioning.
    If you have a very fit athletic person it could also go along way to help them learn a certain sport too.

    The problem IMO is there are more athletic people out there than people with football smarts.So you really have to be lucky to pick one of them up.
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    Yep by 3 months. Morton should the R20 nomination sewn up in any case.
    No. He was born 15/3/1987. That means he turned 21 on the 15/3/2008. Therefore, on the 1st of January this year, he was still 20, making him eligible by three months.
    Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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    On The Couch last night Mike Sheahan said Dalziell is eligible this year.There is a Port Adelaide player they keep plugging for to get nominated also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugg View Post
    Yep by 3 months. Morton should the R20 nomination sewn up in any case.
    Ugg knows best!!

    Cale Morton is the third Rising Star nomination for Dees | Herald Sun

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    Anyone know Bird's average possessions since the bye?

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