UTS club champions????

**Coastal Boy** · 20th August 2009, 12:53 AM

I notice on the sydneyafl.com website an article citing UTS as only a win away from club champions. Is this a gee up? It's hard to comment on this without offending the bats who have not subscribed to this but.... Does anyone really think coming first in a comp where most other teams enter their 2s is better than playing in premier league? The league obviously thinks so as they choose to highlight it on their website and base an award on it. Why not add the AFL teams to this criteria and we can announce: UTS are a better club in 2009 than St Kilda and Geelong? This sounds stupid but there's no difference comparing UTS to all the premier league clubs when they don't play in the same comp and the criteria is the number of wins you have and nothing else. Maybe a premier league club will consider relegating themselves to have a crack at the Club Championship next year? I laugh but mostly at the nit wits at HQs.

**tara** · 20th August 2009, 08:42 AM

CB have you ever heard of the McClelland Trophy and if so do you understand the principal upon which it is awarded?

**nugget** · 20th August 2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by tara

CB have you ever heard of the McClelland Trophy and if so do you understand the principal upon which it is awarded?

I understand that Tara but when you compare a club in Premier Div a win is only given the same number of points as a First Div win for UTS.

This is not UTS' fault as they have had a great season but shouldn't there be some sort of weighting applied so that clubs are competing on a more even footing.

I know this is the first season under the restructure and these sorts of things may take a little while to work out.

**The Runt** · 20th August 2009, 11:07 AM

To grow the great game trophies like this are the only way to even up the clubs, why the hell should premier division clubs get a break in this a club based trophy, its for 3 teams so its about depth if the premier div clubs were performing over the grades they would be up there. Maybe the better overall clubs should be premier div not some of the basket cases in there now.

**Mahatma** · 20th August 2009, 11:08 AM

At the start of the year alot of prem clubs thought uts and manly would be middle of the road clubs and all their reserves teams would beat them easily.
i spoke to someone from syd uni at the start of the year who thought their reserves would beat uts quite easily.

**Hawknik** · 20th August 2009, 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=The Runt;454818]To grow the great game trophies like this are the only way to even up the clubs, why the hell should premier division clubs get a break in this a club based trophy, its for 3 teams so its about depth if the

And that is the reason it is there. A club scneario, not a "highest team" award. The only thing that needs consideration is that in future it may have a higher weighting for a the U18 side vs a clubs 3rd grade side - thus focusing clubs on developing juniors.

Originally Posted by Mahatma

At the start of the year alot of prem clubs thought uts and manly would be middle of the road clubs and all their reserves teams would beat them easily.
i spoke to someone from syd uni at the start of the year who thought their reserves would beat uts quite easily.

lol - the same was said by other clubs in the restructure meeting with the AFL. just sat quietly and thought would let the season pan out. So it has.

**Doped Youth** · 20th August 2009, 02:15 PM

If any club had their best 22 against another clubs magoos you would expect them to win wouldnt you?

**Hawknik** · 20th August 2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Doped Youth

If any club had their best 22 against another clubs magoos you would expect them to win wouldnt you?

That is the point, that is not what was expected (at least from some Prem Div Clubs).

**tara** · 20th August 2009, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Doped Youth

If any club had their best 22 against another clubs magoos you would expect them to win wouldnt you?

For years Prem Div (SFL) have stated that Div 1 (SFA) wernt fit to be their boot studders and that their level in both Seniors and Ressies was far superior. This year has been a wake up call for them Id say. Personally I dont think either UTS or Manly would be that far off the pace in Prem Div anyway.

**Matty** · 20th August 2009, 03:25 PM

No Div 1 team would beat any of the prem div sides. It is easy to look good against most of the ressies teams as the depth in Sydney footy is disgraceful. The majority of prem div clubs do not have more than about dozen guys on their lists that are actually decent footballers hence the drop off in talent once you reach their ressies team...
The results of div 1 highlights the fact that there are a lot of players playing in that div that are capable of playing prem div.
Until the best players are playing in the top league and then filtered down according to ability the SFL is going to continue to be of very poor standard in comparison with other State Leagues.

**tara** · 20th August 2009, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Matty

Until the best players are playing in the top league and then filtered down according to ability the SFL is going to continue to be of very poor standard in comparison with other State Leagues.

Disagree, until we have an abundance of senior players accross multiple levels and the competition is healthy right from Auskick to Masters then the standard wont be comparable.

Do you think that the the best players in Melbourne play in the VFL? Not a chance when there are suburban clubs offering massive coin.