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    I appreciate the alternative views on the Schneider trade, but it still sticks in my craw.

    I do feel somewhat better when I think about how we robbed the Hawks for Benny and Josh in a similar manner

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    I think you might find that Schneider had trouble accepting suggestions from other players as is expected under the Leading Teams model. There was probably salary cap problems for the club but I think perhaps Adam may made himself trade bait
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    Fact - Schneider may be coming back to the Swans

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    Quote Originally Posted by caj23 View Post
    I'm sorry Bas but that is laughable
    Laughable or not. He was traded and having him in our team over the last few years would have made very little difference to the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fact - Schneider may be coming back to the Swans
    Fact from where? I don't think Longmire has the same relationship with Lyons as did Roos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fact - Schneider may be coming back to the Swans
    I'd love him back - he's one of my favourite Swans of the last 10 years. A NSW boy too. However I don't expect it will happen, and when you say 'fact' and 'may' in the same sentence, sorry that doesn't engender enough confidence for me to bet my house on that one just yet :-)

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    I would take schneider back straight away, as long as we don't give up any of young guns coming through. Be pretty funny if Meredith ended up in a deal.
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    You've got to think of it as a trade of Schneider for Mattner. The club wanted Mattner, but couldn't afford both him and Schneider. At the time, we were lacking in "hard-nut" HBFs. We had Kennelly and Malceski, but they're cut from very different cloth to Mattner. At the same time, we had Schneider, Buchanan, Moore. Schneider was the one Ross wanted, that's the one he got. I wish we'd pushed for a better deal, but it wasn't the current administration's style. Get in, get out, everybody's happy. Dempster was thrown in pretty much as a freebie because he wasn't going to last at the Swans.
    Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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    Im not downing Mattner in anyway, he has been invaluable this year. But at the moment we have an over-abundance of defenders and we are missing clever full-time forwards like Schneider; hell, we even have our old fullback LRT trying to play full forward. Hindsight is a curse. Personally I would have kept Schneider over Mattner.

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    Im not downing Mattner in anyway, he has been invaluable this year. But at the moment we have an over-abundance of defenders and we are missing clever full-time forwards like Schneider; hell, we even have our old fullback LRT trying to play full forward. Hindsight is a curse. Personally I would have kept Schneider over Mattner.
    Yep, but that is hindsight. Who could have predicted Buchanan's form would take the turn it did? If anything, Buchanan's game was harder, more basic, and should have been more immune to dips in form. But no, he really deteriorated. Moore just hasn't been fit enough. And I don't think we have too many HBFs. We have too many key position defenders (Richards, Grundy, LRT and Johnson), sure, and as you say LRT is playing forward, but that has little to do with Mattner. That's far more to do with the fact that Johnson has rapidly, and totally unexpectedly, cemented himself in the side.
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    Yep, but that is hindsight. Who could have predicted Buchanan's form would take the turn it did? If anything, Buchanan's game was harder, more basic, and should have been more immune to dips in form. But no, he really deteriorated. Moore just hasn't been fit enough. And I don't think we have too many HBFs. We have too many key position defenders (Richards, Grundy, LRT and Johnson), sure, and as you say LRT is playing forward, but that has little to do with Mattner. That's far more to do with the fact that Johnson has rapidly, and totally unexpectedly, cemented himself in the side.
    Buchanan's form was dependent upon the style of players around him as was Schneider. I suspect both would struggle in a forward line which did not include davis, BBBH and MOL.

    i think schneider however was clearly a smarter player and Buchanan the harder player. I thought at the time that schneider was a much better kick through the midfield and what buchy contributed was the dinky 14 metre pass that we got away with a lot in 2005-2006. But his kicking over distance was never what schenider's was.

    OTOH i do wonder whether people remember just how frequently schenider missed goals on the run from inside 40 metres. I know the saints fans remember them well.

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    If the justification is that it was a straight swap of Schneider for Mattner then we lost out. I like Mattner and think he's a good player but the fact is that it's very difficult to find quality specialist forwards and it always has been. Utilities are a dime a dozen and can be picked up cheapy at any time.

    Buchanan was never as prolific in front of goal as Schneider, Buchanan 57 goals from 116 games at the Swans versus 98 goals from 99 games from Schneids. You don't have to be an AFL coach, or need the benefit of hindsight to work out which of these players should have been kept.

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