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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor J. View Post
    Are you channeling Nico?
    You little bloody ripper. Our centre clearances have been god awful under Stone. If I had known earlier I would have thrown a few bucks into the hat for his airfare.

    Now we might give our forwards first chance at the footy at least 50% of the time.

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    Thought we might do a straight swap for Barry Mitchell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico View Post
    You little bloody ripper. Our centre clearances have been god awful under Stone.
    Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good sledge. Swans were the number 1 stoppage team in the league in terms of clearances.
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    Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good sledge. Swans were the number 1 stoppage team in the league in terms of clearances.
    Beat me to it. We're quite a way in front as well. Stoppages aren't the problem, it's what we do afterwards that makes things tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by giant View Post
    Thought we might do a straight swap for Barry Mitchell?
    Might be better for young Tom if his father isn't looking over his shoulder every minute of the day.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Cat View Post
    Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good sledge. Swans were the number 1 stoppage team in the league in terms of clearances.
    I don't know what the numbers were this seaon, but were we . . .

    #1 in total number of stoppages won?
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    #1 in percerntage of stoppages won?

    I only ask because if there are more stoppages in Swans games than anyone else, the two numbers could be very very different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSA5 View Post
    Beat me to it. We're quite a way in front as well. Stoppages aren't the problem, it's what we do afterwards that makes things tough.
    That's the equivalent of having more shots on goal but putting most of them out of bounds on the full!!

    Can't say he was that successful if we were unable to take the ball away from a stoppage in a meaningful manner as opposed to throwing it on the boot and kicking forward blindly

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Cat View Post
    Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good sledge. Swans were the number 1 stoppage team in the league in terms of clearances.
    I'm not sure if that #1 ranking is based on just pure numbers, in which case the Swans should rank highly given they do have more stoppages than anybody.

    I never said we were God awful at the stoppages, but I still maintain we setup too negatively and the only time we appear to have an attacking mindset is when Goodes moves to the stoppage or centre bounce.

    It's fair to say a lot of it has to do with personnel, Kennedy, Bolton, Bird, ROK and Kirky before them aren't exactly burst out of the middle players, but I just got a bit sick of Bolton, Joey and especially ROK just throwing it on the boot willy nilly sending it downfield and hoping.

    My take was because they are very defensive first minded at stoppages, when Mummy puts it down their throat, they have an opponent an inch away (the guy they are trying to stop), thus the quick throw on the boot. If we can back Mummy (and Pyke is also very good if he gets the #2 gig next year) to win a lions share of hitouts, maybe we can become the hunted and put blocks on for our attacking mids and free guys up to get it and burst like we see Goodes doing at his best. Kizza is capable of playing that burst midfielder, as are a few of our young guns, although they are probably a few years from being able to consistently go on the ball fulltime.

    Just my take on it all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor J. View Post
    Are you channeling Nico?
    Not likely, but I reckon I could be channeling Stevie Wonder and still see we have a defensive setup at stoppages...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck'n'Roll View Post
    I don't know what the numbers were this seaon, but were we . . .

    #1 in total number of stoppages won?
    or
    #1 in percerntage of stoppages won?

    I only ask because if there are more stoppages in Swans games than anyone else, the two numbers could be very very different.
    I'll post the stats later tonight but IIRC #1 in total stoppages (by a country mile) and about 9th or 10th in percentage won.

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    I don't want to overstate this, but one factor is Kieren having a down year by comparison with his achievements last season. Probably injury and perhaps nervousness about the extent of his recovery are involved, but if he can get himself right and be set free to play his instinctive attacking game, we will do better. I'm not keen on seeing him used as a tagger - which he's OK at - but I'd rather see him told to compete with e.g. Judd instead of attempting to shut him down.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple B View Post
    I'm not sure if that #1 ranking is based on just pure numbers, in which case the Swans should rank highly given they do have more stoppages than anybody.

    I never said we were God awful at the stoppages, but I still maintain we setup too negatively and the only time we appear to have an attacking mindset is when Goodes moves to the stoppage or centre bounce.

    It's fair to say a lot of it has to do with personnel, Kennedy, Bolton, Bird, ROK and Kirky before them aren't exactly burst out of the middle players, but I just got a bit sick of Bolton, Joey and especially ROK just throwing it on the boot willy nilly sending it downfield and hoping.

    My take was because they are very defensive first minded at stoppages, when Mummy puts it down their throat, they have an opponent an inch away (the guy they are trying to stop), thus the quick throw on the boot. If we can back Mummy (and Pyke is also very good if he gets the #2 gig next year) to win a lions share of hitouts, maybe we can become the hunted and put blocks on for our attacking mids and free guys up to get it and burst like we see Goodes doing at his best. Kizza is capable of playing that burst midfielder, as are a few of our young guns, although they are probably a few years from being able to consistently go on the ball fulltime.

    Just my take on it all...
    I agree with Triple BBB's perceptions of our midfield set-up and would like to see the stoppage stats in the games we lost.

    I found that in most games we lost and even in some we won, our midfielders were very reactive. E.g. wait for an opposition midfielder to get the ball first, then pounce on him.

    Maybe things will change next season, where we are the hunted, instead of the other way around. We might lose the number 1 stoppage mantle, but the efficency of our midfield clearances might increase.

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