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  1. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by liz View Post
    AFL Insider had a segment last night about the most important player for each team. Brad Scott covered the Swans, and settled for Jetta. (Discussion centred around Jack and Goodes as also being possibles.)
    The best thing now about Jetts is that he is attracting key players. The Eagles putting Selwood on him was massive. Main reason being Jetts still drifts in and out but no matter how you track him he will still almost kick goals on you. I think he kicked 4 that day. But the bonus being it took Selwood out of the game. If Jetts can attract that key player form the opposition is gives us so much advantage in the centre of the field. And inevitably Jetts will still boot goals. He is turning into such a key Member of the Team.

    1. Richards
    2. Kennedy
    3. Jetta
    4. Jack
    5. Hannebery
    6. Goodes
    7. ROK
    8. Grundy
    9. O'Keefe
    10. Bolton
    11. Smith
    12. McVeigh
    13. Johnson
    14. Reid
    15. Mummy
    16. McGlynn
    17. Shaw
    18. Mattner
    19. LRT
    20. Malceski
    21. Pyke
    22. Parker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtyburt View Post
    Ooh don't think macca would like being called a Johnson!!
    ive called him worse.


    I think this list illustrates the biggest strength of this team, which is the even nature of the list. We have a lot of contenders for top spot, and many of us observe the side closely but have very different and valid opinions on the order of the list.
    Theres not much left to say

  3. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by swansrule100 View Post
    ive called him worse
    I am hoping, for his sake, you don't know what that is slang for!

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    This is hard and does certainly makes use pit one solid player against another solid even contributer. I think it is easier to cateogise the sorts of plays who are the most important.

    Everybody should have our spine in one combination or another at the top of their list. The permutation is individual and on some sort of perceived bias.
    Therefore to me the loss of Ted, Grundy, Kennedy, Mumford, Reid and Goodes is of an equally disastrous nature. Our ability to cover those losses is what really distorts the order.

    Then you have players like Jack who plays a position where often there are replacements of sorts (in the sense that others can play that specific role if need be though clearly not at any similar sort of standard). However their ability to play their role at an very good to elite level is what makes them our next most valuable commodity. There are other inside/outside midfielders everywhere but not many with Jack's ability to read the play, his ferocity, initial burst of speed, finishing skills and again a consistency in using these weapons. Jude Bolton and R'Okeefe in both their consistency, leadership, work rate and all-round ability as midfielders, are perhaps a step down from Jack, but still worth particular recognition.

    Then there are players whose unique role for the team makes them critical. Jetta is the very special case in that he plays a unique role at an elite level (which to me puts him above guys like Bolton and ROK, but around even keel with Jack). The not so vaunted, but still quite important are Mattner who plays the third man up role in defence, Smith who locks down on the best small forward, Shaw who often starts our run out of defense and probably Pyke who is quite successful in paying that ruckman/forward role. They can probably be covered, but their ability to do their role isn't something we should take for granted. Milne might have lowered his colours last week, but how many times has Smith muted some of the best players in opposition teams? How often do we see Marty support Ted and Reg? Arguably the whole thrust of our attack is centered off the half-back line and it is Shaw who is the central player.

    Everybody else (in my mind) is good to mediocre and can be covered without a significant (ie. game changing) impact on the team performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liz View Post
    AFL Insider had a segment last night about the most important player for each team. Brad Scott covered the Swans, and settled for Jetta. (Discussion centred around Jack and Goodes as also being possibles.)

    That got me thinking about who the player I'd least like the team to lose right now for an extended period. Traditionally the answer would have been an easy "Goodes" because he was clearly our most potent matchbreaker. But half a season without him playing (or still searching for match fitness) has taught us that the team can well and truly win without Goodes firing.

    Mummy is definitely important, though at least we have some competent stand-ins. Collectively our midfield is critical to ongoing success this year, but if we lost any one of Kennedy, Jack, McVeigh et I'd hope the rest could stand up and cover that (with the aid of Parker returning). Reid is important structurally but his direct contribution right now isn't great enough for him to be close to the most important player.

    In the end I decided my answer was Ted. While I think the whole defence has worked well together, and each one has performed well on both an individual level and collectively, it is hard to ignore Ted as the conductor of the whole affair. We already get to witness a few moments each game when some combination of Mattner, Smith, Reg or Shaw loses their minds for a while and create goals out of nothing for the opposition. But generally Ted has been there to steady the ship. And when the defence has been bombarded by an opposition run-on, it has been Ted taking intercept mark after intercept mark after intercept mark. I therefore fear not only the loss of Ted for his own contribution, but also for the calming and organisational effect he appears to be having on the rest of the defence.
    I agree we'd struggle to replace Teddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLBIA14 View Post
    This is hard and does certainly makes use pit one solid player against another solid even contributer. I think it is easier to cateogise the sorts of plays who are the most important.
    That is the point! Otherwise it would be 'post your rambling thoughts' thread

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    1. Goodes
    2. Mumford
    3. Kennedy
    4. Richards
    5. Jetta
    6. Jack
    7. Shaw
    8. Grundy
    9. Bolton
    10. O'Keefe
    11. Reid
    12. Hannebery
    13. Smith
    14. McVeigh
    15. Mattner
    16. Pyke
    17. Johnson
    18. Dennis-Lane
    19. Parker
    20. Malceski
    21. McGlynn
    22. Bird

    Its all a bit random. I put Goodes at 1 because he's our traditional champion, Mumford at 2 because the game starts with the ruck. Malceski needs to maintain his form. I put TDL in so we have the grand total of 2 specialist forwards.

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    Jack
    Kennedy
    Richards
    Mumford
    McVeigh
    ROK
    Goodes
    Bolton
    Jetta
    Hanners
    Shaw
    Grundy
    Reid
    Pyke
    McGlynn
    Malceski
    Johnson
    Mattner
    Smith
    Bird
    Parker
    LRT

    i've probably forgotten somebody obvious, but I think we hurt very badly if anyone in that top few are out.

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    I reckon ROK should be much higher than most have placed him. Or at least, I think that the coaching panel would have him much higher. His versatility is something very valuable. I know some think 'versatile' means not overly good at any role, but I don't believe that applies to ROK. He can play onball with a largely negating brief (eg first half against West Coast where he kept Priddis quiet), onball with a licence to hunt the ball (eg second half against West Coast), as a target in the forward line, in a defensive role against a opposition half-back general (eg against Hodge a season or two ago where he also managed to kick 4 goals in the process) or as a hard-running outside flanker. He has also been switched back to be the spare man in defence a few times when Longmire has decided that is needed. I've yet to see him play in the ruck but I wouldn't put it past him. And despite being able to play each of these roles (well, maybe not in the ruck), he is also still more than capable of turning in BOG performances.

    I'm not game enough to try and put all 22 players in order because it is too hard! But my top 5 would be Richards, ROK, Mumford, Kennedy and Goodes.

  10. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by liz View Post
    I reckon ROK should be much higher than most have placed him. Or at least, I think that the coaching panel would have him much higher. His versatility is something very valuable. I know some think 'versatile' means not overly good at any role, but I don't believe that applies to ROK. He can play onball with a largely negating brief (eg first half against West Coast where he kept Priddis quiet), onball with a licence to hunt the ball (eg second half against West Coast), as a target in the forward line, in a defensive role against a opposition half-back general (eg against Hodge a season or two ago where he also managed to kick 4 goals in the process) or as a hard-running outside flanker. He has also been switched back to be the spare man in defence a few times when Longmire has decided that is needed. I've yet to see him play in the ruck but I wouldn't put it past him. And despite being able to play each of these roles (well, maybe not in the ruck), he is also still more than capable of turning in BOG performances.

    I'm not game enough to try and put all 22 players in order because it is too hard! But my top 5 would be Richards, ROK, Mumford, Kennedy and Goodes.
    Can't criticize if you won't play! I think a few people failed to read the point of the thread.

  11. #35
    Richards - no replacement that can put themselves in the right place at the right time like Teddy
    Mumford - daylight between Mummy and next best ruck
    Jetta - because every game needs more Jets
    Johnson - important to defensive structure which would need to change if he was missing
    Smith - locks down a dangerous small forward every week
    Reid - hasn't really happened yet but defenders are genuinely concerned about Reid having his blowout game against them.
    Goodes - team needs inspirational superstar leader, even when not in form
    Kennedy - clearance king
    McVeigh - team needs inspirational workman like leader
    Jack - inside, outside, upside down
    ROK - engine room, higher up due to versatility
    Bird - takes oppositions best player out of the game
    Bolton - versatile hardnut, ahead of the young-uns due to value of steely glare
    Shaw - best defensive run
    Hanners - midfield engine,
    Parker - midfield engine, seems a fair gap to the next bunch in the ressies
    McGlynn - forward goal sneak, TDL could cover
    Grundy - takes oppositions 1st or 2nd KPF, but could be replaced with LRT
    Mattner - defensive run,
    Malceski - more defensive run, Armstrong covered adequately
    Pyke - next best ruck, but plenty of backup, if Mummy not available would jump a dozen places higher
    LRT - provides adequate cover for a number of key positions despite being most likely to get injured himself

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    Nice work, concise and 22 players

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