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    Subs and Player Payments

    Would be interested to see the answer to these if PITK at clubs could respond

    * What are the standard player subs for your club for a season?
    * What does this include? (e.g. does it include shorts and socks, a Uni gym membership etc)
    * Apart from your coach do you pay any players in your club or provide expenses? (including "assistant coaches")
    * If so, how many and what basis? (3-2-1 votes, brown paper bags, University scholarships etc)
    * If you have a player payment system how do you reconcile that with the guys that pay to play?

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    Im on the committee at st george. Everyone at the club pays $450 for rego. Get shorts, polo, socks and tracky pants.

    Get physio and taping and $100 lowes voucher for best on ground each week in prems. Us first grades get some powerade every second week and some snakes at half time.

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    It will be interesting to see how many responses are made here. I'm not on a committee or one of the PITK. But I keep an ear close to the ground when I can at a few clubs. So without being specific to one club I'll offer a generic response.

    Subs start at $300 per year which gives you a polo, shirts and socks. Money is tight these days. The coach gets paid what he can get elsewhere. That might be nothing, $5000 or $20,000. A coach puts in probably 30 hrs a week to the team so I never begrudge some payment. Assistant or lower grade coaches are often local juniors which don't get paid but a good import might want a few thousand. Some players get paid. Generally it's an import who could get coin elsewhere. Local juniors regardless of how good they are won't get paid. Back in the 90s they would have but the money just isn't there nowadays. The rest of the boys accept the fact that a few others are being paid because without them the team would be uncompetitive. You just want to make sure someone not as good as you is being paid and you're not. The exact figures are never disclosed so it's not a topic players openly talk about. The fact that the quality interstate players are not being attracted to the SydneyAFL these days decreases the number of players who are on the market and asking for dollars. The cream of the local juniors will probably not have to pay their subs as their payment in full. But once again this is relative to the financial health of the club.

    IMO a look at history suggests clubs that don't have big dollars struggle to win premierships (regardless of the strength of juniors). Think St George and Penno. However the recent success of Sydney Uni and Manly oppose this theory. I guess if ECE hadn't jumped ship the theory might still be valid. Penno took almost 30 years to win their first premiership. Whether their recent premierships were linked to a change in finances I don't know.

    A quality committee is the cornerstone of any success but doesn't guarantee it.

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    How does paying some players at a club whilst others have to pay subs and are expected to fork out at club functions to support those paid players impact the culture of a club?
    Does importing paid players to win games hide a lack of player development, including at a junior and U19 level, at those clubs?

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    Football like most things go in cycles, it would be unusual to get a KPD and a KPF, together with a gun midfield with a ruck man coming through your junior program at any one time.
    Buying in a player or two helps to balance out the line up.

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    What is KPD and KPF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreww1 View Post
    How does paying some players at a club whilst others have to pay subs and are expected to fork out at club functions to support those paid players impact the culture of a club?
    Does importing paid players to win games hide a lack of player development, including at a junior and U19 level, at those clubs?
    Your first question is one that can be debated ad naseum but I would have though the obvious answer would be that given they are all putting in the same effort and training the same hours that there could well be some resentment from the non paid players.

    Transparency is important. As is the requirement that the paid players need to be very good.

    Expenses and/or waiving fees is probably a less divisive option and of course if the players can be part of the coaching set up it can be justified better.

    BOF points is an option that was used for many seasons at Penno and worked well.

    On the whole I think you really start rolling the dice on club culture when you treat some players better than others.

    As for the second question I think if you get the right players then they can be powerful role models which can actually assist development.

    In the 70s and early 80s the money flowing in Sydney football was substantial. We had the Ruskucklic brothers at Easts and Pitura at Norths. Newtown took the biscuit with Sam Kekovich and his army of FIFOs and that really ruffled a few feathers

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    It is interesting that at the Premier Div Presidents meeting last night that the AFL tabled a proposal out of Victoria that brings in a salary cap and a points system to even up the senior competition. What does everyone think about that?

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    A salary cap in the SydneyAFL? Unpoliceable. Even if it was, you could pay a player as an assistant coach to get around it. Or give them a job for someone associated with the club. Lots of players work for coaches or other club personel. Ban all of this?

    A points system won't redirect players to other clubs but merely commit some to reserve grade.

    I guess it's good people are thinking but otherwise I see no merit in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreww1 View Post
    It is interesting that at the Premier Div Presidents meeting last night that the AFL tabled a proposal out of Victoria that brings in a salary cap and a points system to even up the senior competition. What does everyone think about that?
    Don't like it at all.

    Why should a club that develops it's juniors, makes itself a destination of choice and recruits well be penalised.

    Their last effort in introducing socialism to this comp via the pathway, the most ridiculously complicate document that was just designed to knobble Sydney Uni stealing players (now redundant since they have disappeared up their own sense of self importance in the NEAFL and good luck to them, hope they never come back). That was a complete failure and this would be too...

    Salary cap where most clubs barely pay their players and those that do are so minor in the big scheme of things. The top players in Sydney non-NEAFL would be lucky get $5,000 a season

    And all the while these muppets do NOTHING when a club like Campbelltown or Balmain almost go to the wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mug Punter View Post

    Salary cap where most clubs barely pay their players and those that do are so minor in the big scheme of things. The top players in Sydney non-NEAFL would be lucky get $5,000 a season
    so you're saying that most players are up for $450 per season for subs, but the top players get close to $5000.
    Mug Punter, like happened to you a couple of years ago, it's time for you to name names.....

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