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    Great point, Aprilbr - and all the more reason for the clubs not to do it! A lot of harm done for limited returns.

    (Although surely the money that is returned to the punters is counted in the revenue?)

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    Agree 100% Barry, the moral integrity of the AFL is that of a gutter rat!
    For what it is worth, I have a number of contacts within player welfare circles in Melbourne, and one interesting stat I have heard is that 28 betting agencies have been "licenced" by the AFL. In addition to that, the AFL Players Association has been trying to implement a gambling awareness and help program to be implemented at each club, but they are faced with a massive roadblock to this. This roadblock is none other than the AFL itself, and as of the time of writing this, this program is ready to go, but has been stopped in its tracks. Moral integrity? Dont make me laugh...

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    *not* counted in the revenue, I meant to say.

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    Good on the Shinboners. Despite their relatively lowly revenue they have apparently recorded a profit for the 8th time in 9 years: North in the black again with $470K profit - AFL.com.au. I wonder whether their facilities need refreshing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aprilbr View Post
    While I totally concur with the above assessment of the evil of pokies I would like to add another element on them. This is essentially the revenue versus profit argument. When one considers the above graph it would seem that the Swans are a middling club when it comes to financial performance. This in fact is not correct because while some clubs earn substantial revenue from this source it is also a relatively low margin business. This is because a high volume of revenue is returned to punters, the govt takes a cut and there are significant fixed costs in running a pokies venue I.e. Cost of leasing machines and the venue. These costs are not shown in the above table.

    The upshot is that while some Clubs like Hawthorn are probably doing very nicely given their high revenues in the area others like Port, Adelaide, Rich, Dogs and the Saints are probably not making much out of it at all after extracting these costs. So our financial performance overall is probably in that group below the Big 4 of Pies, Hawks, WCE and Essendon. A long way from the bad old days of the early 1990s when we would have been at the very right end of any financial tables.


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    You are not right there. The Pokie revenue IS profit, it's not what the poor buggers put in, it is the consolidated losses of the gambling addicts that prop up these Melbourne clubs.

    What it also does is illustrate how far ahead the WA teams, in the only state of Australia that doesn't have pokies (and they don't seem to be doing too bad without them), would be if the Vic clubs ran ethical businesses.

    Almost in three dollars coming into the Hawthorn Football Club is from the pockets of punters who drain their salary or savings into their steel traps. Absolutely disgraceful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mug Punter View Post
    What it also does is illustrate how far ahead the WA teams, in the only state of Australia that doesn't have pokies (and they don't seem to be doing too bad without them), would be if the Vic clubs ran ethical businesses.
    Thanks to the lack of pokies West Australians have so much more to spend on drugs.

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    WA is not totally free. Burwood Casino has them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
    Thanks to the lack of pokies West Australians have so much more to spend on drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mug Punter View Post
    You are not right there. The Pokie revenue IS profit, it's not what the poor buggers put in, it is the consolidated losses of the gambling addicts that prop up these Melbourne clubs.

    What it also does is illustrate how far ahead the WA teams, in the only state of Australia that doesn't have pokies (and they don't seem to be doing too bad without them), would be if the Vic clubs ran ethical businesses.

    Almost in three dollars coming into the Hawthorn Football Club is from the pockets of punters who drain their salary or savings into their steel traps. Absolutely disgraceful
    Pokies are a scourge on society, and I'd be happy to 'blow them up' and ban the whole lot of them. I think the WA strategy, with them only in the casino, is the way to go if we must have them. The way they have decimated the pub and club scene in NSW and Victoria in particular is very sad, and they are not a net 'beneficiary' to the community that the club sector in particular suggests they are.

    The AFL should help clubs like the wees and poos wean themselves off this reliance ASAP and also give up the links to gambling more generally. But that's about as likely as the AFL admitting just how @@@@@@ over we got in the GF in search of the 'fairytale'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aprilbr View Post
    While I totally concur with the above assessment of the evil of pokies I would like to add another element on them. This is essentially the revenue versus profit argument. When one considers the above graph it would seem that the Swans are a middling club when it comes to financial performance. This in fact is not correct because while some clubs earn substantial revenue from this source it is also a relatively low margin business. This is because a high volume of revenue is returned to punters, the govt takes a cut and there are significant fixed costs in running a pokies venue I.e. Cost of leasing machines and the venue. These costs are not shown in the above table.

    The upshot is that while some Clubs like Hawthorn are probably doing very nicely given their high revenues in the area others like Port, Adelaide, Rich, Dogs and the Saints are probably not making much out of it at all after extracting these costs. So our financial performance overall is probably in that group below the Big 4 of Pies, Hawks, WCE and Essendon. A long way from the bad old days of the early 1990s when we would have been at the very right end of any financial tables.


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    Just to clarify the revenue figure is the amount lost by punters to the license holders. It's net takings, not gross amount bet.

    You're right that revenue isn't the whole picture, because assets have a cost to maintain. The post I linked also contains assets/liabilities, and profit and loss for each club as shown here:



    Clubs are mostly getting a few million from their machines though.

    I think I worked out Brisbane are spending 12m on their club venue and getting 16m income from it, 15m being pokies takings. Vic clubs might be a bit less profitable, and SA will be substantially less so.
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    Thanks for the clarification on the pokies.


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    Fremantle are to be commended that they are able to raise all that bail money without having to rely on pokies revenue.

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