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    Vultures circling Sam Reid

    On AFL tonight Jake Naill said Vic clubs are circling Sam Reid (out of contract and according to Jake has not commenced talks with the Swans as yet).

    Wouldn't be surprise if the Pies were right up there as their forward line is non existent at the moment and Ben Reid plays for them.
    Would be a coup for them to have Sam forward and Ben back.

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    That would be a major blow, would rather give up Tippet (even though I like him) also worried about Zac Jones..

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    The swans have a pretty good history of managing players to be less injury prone. Neither Reid nor Tippet are particularly sound physically, and have not provided full value to the swans over the years. If the swans can't fix them I don't know who can, however in my view let another club try. I think a team of robust, reliable, well drilled team players is better than flakey superstars. Look at Western Bulldogs. We should be targeting players with a strong track record for reliability, then coaching them to be a great team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YvonneH View Post
    On AFL tonight Jake Naill said Vic clubs are circling Sam Reid (out of contract and according to Jake has not commenced talks with the Swans as yet).

    Wouldn't be surprise if the Pies were right up there as their forward line is non existent at the moment and Ben Reid plays for them.
    Would be a coup for them to have Sam forward and Ben back.
    The Pies wouldn't have the salary cap to blow us out of the water - Reid is on maybe $500,000 a year??

    They have got Wells and Mayne which has really cost them big.

    But with the new player payments coming through, who know.

    About the best which can said is that North $9 million 9 year offer for Kelly won't be the only insane bid going around.

    Someone is going to offer him huge money, which means we need to force retirements on McVeigh and Jack, and delist quite a few others.
    doof-doof

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    I have no doubt that another club could come in for Reid and blow us out of the water financially given his start to the season, St Kilda have plenty of cash and he would add to their list (along with their first rounder and their Pick 1 this year LOL) and I could see North throwing some serious money at him too.

    He has started well and overcome his injuries so ultimately I guess it depends on how close we can get financially and how happy he is in Sydney (very happy from all reports).

    I'll call him as 50-50 but if he is still unsigned by the end of June he is gone for mine.

    Jones I'd be more confident with as he can't go as a restricted free agent and his form in the season proper whist good has not been enough to extract silly money. Plus he has really only just broken into the side and I reckon this is the place for him to develop. I'll only start to worry about him if he is unsigned at the end of June.

    Overall our list retention and list management is pretty good.

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    Sam is a restricted FA, so we can match any offer he receives from other clubs. It will take a big offer to get him, but I have little doubt he will receive some. If we let him go, it should translate into a 1st round pick, which is based on salary and length of contract, although this would be another opportunity for the AFL to screw us. Given our current ladder position, we could well finish out of the 8 and get a young KPP who is better value than Reid and free up a lot of salary space. Although I am a fan of Reid, I wouldn't see it as that bad an outcome. A KPF from this year's draft and Blakey next year could form the foundation of our next generation forward line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
    Sam is a restricted FA, so we can match any offer he receives from other clubs. It will take a big offer to get him, but I have little doubt he will receive some. If we let him go, it should translate into a 1st round pick, which is based on salary and length of contract, although this would be another opportunity for the AFL to screw us. Given our current ladder position, we could well finish out of the 8 and get a young KPP who is better value than Reid and free up a lot of salary space. Although I am a fan of Reid, I wouldn't see it as that bad an outcome. A KPF from this year's draft and Blakey next year could form the foundation of our next generation forward line.
    I'd agree with that assessment. If Sam comes outright and says that he wants to leave then I doubt that we'd stand in his way but I don't think that will happen as it will all be about the $ on offer, and I get that the players have short careers and that this is his last contract probably.

    Having said that I don't think we'll be held to ransom here. Getting $500,000 into our cap space and a first round draft pick wouldn't be a bad outcome if we (privately) concede that we are in a mini-rebuild phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mug Punter View Post
    I'd agree with that assessment. If Sam comes outright and says that he wants to leave then I doubt that we'd stand in his way but I don't think that will happen as it will all be about the $ on offer, and I get that the players have short careers and that this is his last contract probably.

    Having said that I don't think we'll be held to ransom here. Getting $500,000 into our cap space and a first round draft pick wouldn't be a bad outcome if we (privately) concede that we are in a mini-rebuild phase.
    I'd prefer to see us get rid of Tippo and match the $$$ to keep reid, but I completely agree Mug that it wouldn't be the worse outcome in that circumstance, if we got the 1st round draft pick it should probably give us (knowing the AFL, they'll find a way to screw us over).
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    It's not just the point of losing Reid cause when you look at our key position forward stocks the cupboard is basically bare apart from Franklin & Reid. Who's next in line? Toby Pink has a while to go, I know some will say Rohan but he's a medium tall. Some will say Dawson but he may not even make it. Some will say Blakey but he's not even at the club n may take 4 more years to develop. You could draft someone this year but he will take atleast 3 years to come on. Our KPF stocks are very low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boddo View Post
    It's not just the point of losing Reid cause when you look at our key position forward stocks the cupboard is basically bare apart from Franklin & Reid. Who's next in line? Toby Pink has a while to go, I know some will say Rohan but he's a medium tall. Some will say Dawson but he may not even make it. Some will say Blakey but he's not even at the club n may take 4 more years to develop. You could draft someone this year but he will take atleast 3 years to come on. Our KPF stocks are very low.
    As I have said before, I really hope we can keep Reid. He is fragile, which has certainly been an impediment to his development. Collingwood would seem the logical one to make him a big offer as they are desperate for another key forward and there is the brother connection. I don't know if playing with his brother is something Sam would like to do or not. His parents probably would be happy if they did.

    I don't think our situation is quite as dire as you suggest.

    • We still have Franklin for 5 more years after this one. I think he will be able to play out his contract and perform at a high level.
    • We usually play with a forward-ruckman plus a main ruckman. Actually 3 of our 4 ruckman are forwards, although Sinclair is unfortunately not too good at either position.
    • Many teams are now playing with 1 KPF and the second KPF as a 2nd ruckman. After that, they have a variety of small to medium forwards. Adelaide, probably the best offensive side in the comp play with Walker and Jenkins in the KPF roles, plus 2 medium and 2 small forwards. It's quality that counts.
    • We could mimic the Crows setup with something like Franklin, Tippett or Cameron, Rohan, Dawson, Papley and Hayward.
    • We could have an excess of KPDs in a post-Grundy era if things go well. Aliir, Melican, Maibaum, Talia and AJ all can be quality key defenders. 3 of them could be used as forwards. Aliir, Maibaum and AJ have all played forward during parts of their careers. We have been playing Maibaum forward in parts of games to try him out there.
    • Toby Pink is not without a chance. For the last pick in the draft he's a pretty good prospect. Way too early to make a call on him, but certainly interested in his development. Good size and can play forward, defence and in the ruck.
    • If Reid does leave we should be sitting with 2 1st round picks in a draft with good KPFs, so it is not unrealistic to think that we could get one this year and then get Blakey in 2018.


    Reid's partner is not much in the news. I wonder if she's a Sydney girl. It could be the critical factor. He also has 2 Sydney dogs. The ugly one must be around 6 yo now and not keen to move to Melbourne. Could be the decider.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcs View Post
    I'd prefer to see us get rid of Tippo and match the $$$ to keep reid, but I completely agree Mug that it wouldn't be the worse outcome in that circumstance, if we got the 1st round draft pick it should probably give us (knowing the AFL, they'll find a way to screw us over).
    The Tippett situation has nothing to do with Reid. We just have to accept that Tippett is contracted until the end of 2018, probably on around 800k. No club will pick up his contract for next year. What happens in 2019 and beyond with Tippett is something we can deal with next year. A lot of ruckmen seem to get injured. He's probably going around the norm. When he's up and firing, he's a very important part of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post

    He also has 2 Sydney dogs. The ugly one must be around 6 yo now and not keen to move to Melbourne. Could be the decider. .
    Haha good one Ludwig!


    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post

    The Tippett situation has nothing to do with Reid. We just have to accept that Tippett is contracted until the end of 2018, probably on around 800k. No club will pick up his contract for next year. What happens in 2019 and beyond with Tippett is something we can deal with next year. A lot of ruckmen seem to get injured. He's probably going around the norm. When he's up and firing, he's a very important part of the team.
    I agree Ludwig that it is highly unlikely he would be going anywhere - but funnier things have happened, and picking up more than a decent part of the tab for a year would not be a particularly unusual step, should the club decide that they want to move on from Tippett, and it enabled us to do something else with the partial saving we would make (for instance, matching any offer for Reid). I don't at all think it will happen - my original comment was made on the basis that I'd prefer to see him moved on then lose Reid by not matching an offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
    Reid's partner is not much in the news. I wonder if she's a Sydney girl. It could be the critical factor. He also has 2 Sydney dogs. The ugly one must be around 6 yo now and not keen to move to Melbourne. Could be the decider.
    I'm almost certain she is a Sydney girl, they've been together a while now, have bought a nice house together and all that. Think she has quite a good career here as well. All good signs I guess....

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