Maybe not get rid of him, but perhaps it should be our defensive coach. How many times do we kick backwards to a player manned up. or kick badly going forward particularly out of defence. We have a number of perrenial culprits to name a few Grundy, Smith, LLoyd and now Mills letting poppy kick a goal Rampe was one but he appears to have got rid of the habit.
[QUOTE=Doctor J.;726318]With the talent he's got on the list over the last 5 years, someone like Clarkson would have easily won 3 and possibly 4 premierships. Longmire has a lucky 1. Just ponder that thought. What we have let slip through our fingers because we got lucky in 2012.
Their list has had way more skill and talent than ours- Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Burgoyne, Rioli, Lake, Roughead etc. Longmire has got us to three grand finals, including a premiership, with a hard nosed pressure based game style. If we tried a purely skill based possession game, we would have coughed the ball up and been hammered by a number of teams. I reckon as supporters we've been spoilt. We have a good young list. Longmire strikes me as an honest person who would know when his time was up. The coaching team should be supported. Young players make mistakes. Mills could have iced the game but kids make blues. We also came off 2 six day breaks. I reckon the future is bright. Imagine supporting a host of other teams who have done nothing over a number of years. We have a great club and culture.
We also lost 2 players very early. One arguably our most important player this year and the other who has been very good up forward and down back.
Originally Posted by wolftone57
Longmire in his press conference specifically pointed out how proud he was of the efforts put in by the players. Hayward has already signed a contract extension.
Last edited by liz; 27th May 2017 at 01:21 PM.
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This thread means nothing unless you were calling for a new coach leading in to the grand final.
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To lose 2 players so early in the game was a game changer n the 2 players that we lost were very important structurally were game breakers. Done very very well considering. One thing I didn't like was Rohan to half back. Without Reid we lacked support for Franklin in the forward line.
Playing the second half with 20 players did mean he couldn't use his go-to line "lack of effort" to explain a loss. It was the first half where we lost it - completely out-coached - and at that point we had 21 players and hadn't felt the full effect of the 1 fewer rotations we had at that stage.
It's an interesting argument - is it best to indoctrinate a single (one dimensional) plan in the belief that doing that extremely well gives a better overall chance of success (across a whole season, and in the pressure-cooker of finals) OR be flexible enough to adjust to the different plans and approaches you will encounter across the competition.
Longmire clearly believes in the former - and in fairness it has led to consistent finals campaigns despite the unnecessary dropping games during seasons to the likes of Richmond (as mentioned earlier in this thread - a team who has played a certain style we can't handle). You could also argue Hawthorn have done that - however for me the huge difference is that they had the players and plan for which they could genuinely say "if we do this right, no-one else can beat it".
Yet we persevere with a game plan which basically says "we'll give you a chance - if you're good enough you'll definitely win". And we lost two GF's watching the other team do just that.
And even without Hawthorn in the finals mix, for 2017 onwards you have to expect GWS to be able to be that sort of skillful team as well - so it's not as though we could have been thinking 'alright, from now onwards at least there's no-one else who is good enough to do that to us'.
I just hope that the disaster that is not even making the finals (with the list we have and being a GF team the year before) is the catalyst for Longmire to address the flaws that have been lingering for a number of years. If we are ruthless about achieving the ultimate success, anything less (ie. all the talk of we've played x of y years in the finals, made 3/5 last GF's etc etc) is just accepting the 'almost there' and 'better than most others' status we have had.
I just don't agree with the Longmire bashing. Our early season was riddled with injury, (people were saying it was good we were blooding young players and wrote off the season), we got players back and hit form, then all of a sudden we get 2 concussions. How can you blame that on the coach. Longmire took over from Roos and continued the success. Most clubs would kill to have been in 3 grand finals and win one. Just ask Richmond and Saints supporters.
He is proud that we got within a goal of a team made up of primarily Box Hill Hawks players??? Am I missing something?
The big criticism of Longmire on here is there is no change to the game plan. The game plan that last year got us to a grand final, the game plan that ripped St Kilda apart last week. We lost our best HBF from basically the beginning of the game so the slack was picked up by a first year & 2nd year players in Mills & Newman n then had to turn to Rohan. No1 can tell me that had no effect on the game plan. We also lost Reid before half time not later in the game. It destroyed our structure up forward. Those 2 loses are massive to a game plan that apart from 3 useless umpires would have us a reigning premiers.
Has it ever entered the thoughts of the Longmire critics that it is his coaching that has got a team with limited skills to a string of grand finals? In other words Horse is not the cause of us falling short, but the cause of us getting the absolute maximum out of the team at his disposal.
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