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    A club or league first mentality: GWS is bad for the game
    A code first mentality: GWS is essential to survival and growth.

    The exponential growth in sports rights is over. Cricket, rugby, soccer etc are in for a tough time over the next decade financially. What the AFL did to secure the financial stability of the game will set us up as the premier code for a generation.
    Once you stop growing, you're dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boddo View Post
    Fitzroy never merged with anyone. They still exist in the Victorian amateurs. The Bears were rebranded and took over Fitzroys records.

    The Deed of Arrangement between Fitzroy and Brisbane | BigFooty AFL Forum
    Not quite as black and white as you state.

    Fitzroy did not drop down to the Ammos as you say. University Reds dis-associated themselves with Melbourne Uni and became the Fitzroy Reds which had no official connection with the Fitzroy VFL club. They then renamed themselves as simply Fitzroy Football Club and took the whole livery of the old Roy Boys and formed an official connection.

    I imagine that some old Fitzroy fans follow the Brisbane Lions as their old team, some will see the Ammos as the natural continuation and many would regard the club as completely dead and are just neutrals now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mug Punter View Post
    Not quite as black and white as you state.

    Fitzroy did not drop down to the Ammos as you say. University Reds dis-associated themselves with Melbourne Uni and became the Fitzroy Reds which had no official connection with the Fitzroy VFL club. They then renamed themselves as simply Fitzroy Football Club and took the whole livery of the old Roy Boys and formed an official connection.

    I imagine that some old Fitzroy fans follow the Brisbane Lions as their old team, some will see the Ammos as the natural continuation and many would regard the club as completely dead and are just neutrals now.
    Good work MP

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Runner View Post
    A club or league first mentality: GWS is bad for the game
    A code first mentality: GWS is essential to survival and growth.

    The exponential growth in sports rights is over. Cricket, rugby, soccer etc are in for a tough time over the next decade financially. What the AFL did to secure the financial stability of the game will set us up as the premier code for a generation.
    Once you stop growing, you're dead.
    The financial clout of the AFL above its competitor sports is quite incredible. Whilst the ARU have issues of solvency the AFL are sitting on a BILLION DOLLAR asset down at Docklands. This platform can and will be used in years to come - the NRL is very resilient but chronically mismanaged, Soccer has some unique qualities and cultural loyalties that make it a strong competitor but rugby I believe is in the short to medium sights in the Sydney and Melbourne markets and they are ripe for the picking.

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    The NRLs massive money grabbing arm State of Origin is so boringly predictable , I nearly switched to Masterchef.
    Watching blokes being repetitively smashed to the ground by three very big men would not appeal much to parents choosing a code for Sebastian. But they love it in Qld.

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    You mightn't be dead, but things aren't as much fun. They released the latest census recently and you can see from
    that that the ethnic make up of Australia, and especially areas like western Sydney really has changed substantially in the
    last twenty or so years. We have all kind of figured this out already, but seeing the numbers in black and white shows
    the true scale of the change. I think for any code to grow in such a crowded market as Sydney they will really have to
    embrace to use the current buzzword this changing demographic. For the Sydney AFL clubs, this will be more of a need
    for GWS than the Swans because of our existing support. It's not just GWS, I'm sure there are areas of Melbourne where
    the population has changed a lot too, and that must effect growth prospects for some of the clubs there too.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Runner View Post
    A club or league first mentality: GWS is bad for the game
    A code first mentality: GWS is essential to survival and growth.

    The exponential growth in sports rights is over. Cricket, rugby, soccer etc are in for a tough time over the next decade financially. What the AFL did to secure the financial stability of the game will set us up as the premier code for a generation.
    Once you stop growing, you're dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mug Punter View Post
    The Lions one is sad, their "merge" was just a shotgun marriage of convenience and from what I gather the connection with their Melbourne fans has been strained.

    Roosy was interviewed by Sheehan and apparently the previous genuine relocation had unanimous support from the player group, and they still had a pretty good team at that stage. Then their dick of a President, Leon Wingard I think, went on some hare-brained scheme to save them.
    Briefly off topic,but..my brother went to every Fitzroy game in Victoria for 35 years....never went to another AFL match from the day the Lions died. Boss of Brisbane on the Footy Show after the 'merge' was announced, made dreadful, disrespectful comments about Fitzroy..that cost the merger thousands of old Royboys who were prepared to accept Brisbane as partners. Reluctant acceptance of the move turned to active hatred of the Brisbane Bears..He had a lot to answer for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTigers View Post
    You mightn't be dead, but things aren't as much fun. They released the latest census recently and you can see from
    that that the ethnic make up of Australia, and especially areas like western Sydney really has changed substantially in the
    last twenty or so years. We have all kind of figured this out already, but seeing the numbers in black and white shows
    the true scale of the change. I think for any code to grow in such a crowded market as Sydney they will really have to
    embrace to use the current buzzword this changing demographic. For the Sydney AFL clubs, this will be more of a need
    for GWS than the Swans because of our existing support. It's not just GWS, I'm sure there are areas of Melbourne where
    the population has changed a lot too, and that must effect growth prospects for some of the clubs there too.
    The demographics paint a significant challenge for all codes. Soccer has a head start due to its familiarity. Their problem is it's a global game - who wants to watch the A League when you can watch the European leagues so easily (the disastrous EPL rights aside). Unless they can secure a World Cup here soon (not unlikely as historically with tv viewing times thru Asia), then where is their next cash injection coming from? Once you're off FTA, you exclude ~70% of the market.

    Rugby League is interesting. They're addicted to the SOO drug. The product is made for TV and short mobile viewing, they have a base of loyal fans. They just can't sort out their governance.

    Rugby Union is cooked. And they have themselves to blame.

    Watch the NBA to continue to grow quickly.

    All of this points to the importance of growing the game and a successful GWS is so crucial. Hate them as an opponent but understand their role on the bigger chess board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royboy42 View Post
    Briefly off topic,but..my brother went to every Fitzroy game in Victoria for 35 years....never went to another AFL match from the day the Lions died. Boss of Brisbane on the Footy Show after the 'merge' was announced, made dreadful, disrespectful comments about Fitzroy..that cost the merger thousands of old Royboys who were prepared to accept Brisbane as partners. Reluctant acceptance of the move turned to active hatred of the Brisbane Bears..He had a lot to answer for.
    Remember the disrespectful arrogant comments he made Royboy. Kicked all the Roy's supporters while they were down. Ordinary individual who made a terrible situation even worse.

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    On this subject of the value of sports TV rights, there was a news report a couple months ago where bankers
    were urging Channel 9 to drop their cricket coverage because they were losing between $30M and $40M a year on it.
    Channel 10 is basically insolvent so you wouldn't imagine they will be putting their hand up for it.
    Free to air TV is clearly struggling everywhere, print newspapers won't last much longer, and the whole media
    landscape is much more fragmented because of all the new technologies coming in. And so the way media pays
    for sport rights will change substantially, if indeed they pay for it at all down the track. It wasn't so long ago
    that new technologies meant people had the choice whether they paid for music, and mostly they decided against it,
    and the traditional record industry was wiped out. The music industry and footy will continue but the way it is
    monetised is and will be substantially different, and not everyone will be happy about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Runner View Post
    A club or league first mentality: GWS is bad for the game
    A code first mentality: GWS is essential to survival and growth.

    The exponential growth in sports rights is over. Cricket, rugby, soccer etc are in for a tough time over the next decade financially. What the AFL did to secure the financial stability of the game will set us up as the premier code for a generation.
    Once you stop growing, you're dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    GWS were created because we failed, or weren't interested, in developing the west of Sydney.

    Artificial or not, they partly are our creation.
    What a long bow.
    You must have sore arms.
    Believe it or not, a LOT of our members live west of King Street, Newtown.

    GW$ are not developing the west of Sydney either... they train in the inner west; and they live in cushy Breakfast Point... hardly doing it tough with the battlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mug Punter View Post
    Not quite as black and white as you state.

    Fitzroy did not drop down to the Ammos as you say. University Reds dis-associated themselves with Melbourne Uni and became the Fitzroy Reds which had no official connection with the Fitzroy VFL club. They then renamed themselves as simply Fitzroy Football Club and took the whole livery of the old Roy Boys and formed an official connection.

    I imagine that some old Fitzroy fans follow the Brisbane Lions as their old team, some will see the Ammos as the natural continuation and many would regard the club as completely dead and are just neutrals now.
    Fitzroy merged with the reds in 2008

    Fitzroy Football Club | The Merger

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