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Thread: Lies, damned lies and statistics

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    Lies, damned lies and statistics

    Sad but true fact: I love all things number-y. So I thought I'd set up a thread to post random swans-related stats etc. This includes things like champion data info, what various mathematical models of how the Swans will do, random pieces of statistical trivia, even AFL & Fox fantasy points!

    Please join in the fun!

    I'll kick us off with a bit of a guessing game. According to Champion Data, based on rounds 1-16 2017 *only* who has been the Swans best key defender, and 13th in the league?

    And here's a follow-up question. On the same criteria, who is our best general defender and 7th best in the league?

    No cheating if you have seen the CD ratings!

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    Interesting.
    Without looking, I'd say (1) Reg and (2) Rampe.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimelb View Post
    Interesting.
    Without looking, I'd say (1) Reg and (2) Rampe.
    I forgot to mention...minimum 10 games, which knocks out Rampe who has only played 8. Reg has been good the past few weeks but has had a slow start to the year.

    So no to both.

    Edit: Just checked and Swans don't have many players classified as key defenders, so if you take a look at that, you should be able to work it out pretty easily. Rampe, for example is classified as a Small/Medium (ie. general) defender.

    Looks like the AFL website doesn't match the twitter feed, so just ignore that comment.
    Last edited by Beerman; 15th July 2017 at 12:19 AM.

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    Melican and Mills?

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    Melican and Smith

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    The problem with these stats is the classification of a player. Key defender is probably ok but who in the swans is described as a general defender? Is Nick Smith a key defender or general defender? Are Jones and Newman general defenders or midfielders/rebounders?

    With this in mind, regarding your question, if Rampe and Grundy are out then that would leave Melican as the most likely answer as a key defender.

    The general defender is trickier due to the classification of players. I would say Mills is a chance here as a pure defender but Lloyd would be my guess overall if he is classified that way.

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    Melican is correct!

    It isn't Smith (who was only average at the start of the year), or Mills (who is probably not helped by doing nothing at all during the Melbourne game).

    You are right about the classification being tricky. I would not classify this player as a defender.

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    Newman?

    A discussion like this highlights the limitation of "statistical analyses" such as those published by CD, and why those (not on RWO) who proclaim them as the only way to objectively measure players' performances are misguided. (And the title of this thread alludes to how misguided that can be.)

    None of us can have any complaints about how Melican has been performing. He's done an excellent job in his first half-dozen or so games and looks to be a promising prospect. But he's not been playing on the oppositions' most dangerous key forwards. Reg has been doing that (and Rampe too, since his return). If Melican had been playing on the same opponents that Reg had been, would his statistical measures be the same? (Almost certainly not.) I doubt any Swans fans would consider Melican has been more important, or better performed (on an absolute basis) to Reg over the last couple of months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liz View Post
    Newman?

    A discussion like this highlights the limitation of "statistical analyses" such as those published by CD, and why those (not on RWO) who proclaim them as the only way to objectively measure players' performances are misguided. (And the title of this thread alludes to how misguided that can be.)

    None of us can have any complaints about how Melican has been performing. He's done an excellent job in his first half-dozen or so games and looks to be a promising prospect. But he's not been playing on the oppositions' most dangerous key forwards. Reg has been doing that (and Rampe too, since his return). If Melican had been playing on the same opponents that Reg had been, would his statistical measures be the same? (Almost certainly not.) I doubt any Swans fans would consider Melican has been more important, or better performed (on an absolute basis) to Reg over the last couple of months.
    Ding! Newman is correct.

    The fun with stats is working out what they mean. I wouldn't like to say that Melican is better than Grundy this year, but I think this shows that our second-tier players are very good. Every team has stars who regularly perform, and who take up most of the attention of the opposition and most of the club's salary cap. But the key to outperforming is to find lesser-known players who perform better than their pay-packets suggest, and that's what's happening here, I think.

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    Drawn games in the VFL/AFL

    1. How many drawn games have there been?
    2. Which club has been involved in the greatest number of drawn games?
    3. Which two clubs have been involved in the most draws with each other? (Two correct answers)
    4. Which current club has played the most games since their last draw?
    5. GWS has played two draws in a row. How many times has this happened in the same season?
    6. Which season has had the greatest number of drawn games?
    7. What was the highest score in a drawn game?
    8. How many drawn finals have there been?
    9. Which two clubs were involved in the first draw in the 1897 season?
    10. In what season did South Melbourne make the finals because they had drawn a game?
    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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    I saw this on twitter:

    Players averaging 30+ disp / 2+ goals in a season

    1968 Bob Skilton
    2017 Patrick Dangerfield

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder Shaker View Post
    Drawn games in the VFL/AFL
    1. How many drawn games have there been?
    I would guess about 120. Bit less than one a year, but more in the earlier years when scoring was lower.

    5. GWS has played two draws in a row. How many times has this happened in the same season?
    About 3 times I think?

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