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    Drawn games in the VFL/AFL

    1. How many drawn games have there been?
    2. Which club has been involved in the greatest number of drawn games?
    3. Which two clubs have been involved in the most draws with each other? (Two correct answers)
    4. Which current club has played the most games since their last draw?
    5. GWS has played two draws in a row. How many times has this happened in the same season?
    6. Which season has had the greatest number of drawn games?
    7. What was the highest score in a drawn game?
    8. How many drawn finals have there been?
    9. Which two clubs were involved in the first draw in the 1897 season?
    10. In what season did South Melbourne make the finals because they had drawn a game?
    1. 156

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    If we win every remaining game this season 2017 we will be on the same games lost as 2016 !!

    I think ?

    Amazing !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie.Gerald View Post
    If we win every remaining game this season 2017 we will be on the same games lost as 2016 !!
    It seems a bit unlikely. We have some very tough games coming up, but the comp is not strong this year so you never know.

    On the GWS game, the CD stats are interesting. Papley was best on ground (and in career best form at the moment), followed by Franklin, which all makes sense to me. But I'm quite surprised that they rated Hannebery very slightly above Kieran Jack. (I thought Jack was quite good, and Hannebery quite poor).

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    Rohans CD data was terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder Shaker View Post
    Drawn games in the VFL/AFL
    Great questions! And timely as I return to work today and need to refresh the data crunching skills, so I'll give it a go. But first my related question: how many drawn games have there been with not just the same total score, but the same number of goals and behinds?

    1. How many drawn games have there been?

    156.

    2. Which club has been involved in the greatest number of drawn games?

    Essendon I think, with 35.

    3. Which two clubs have been involved in the most draws with each other? (Two correct answers)

    Essendon v Geelong and Carlton v South Melbourne (4 each).

    4. Which current club has played the most games since their last draw?

    I'm guessing Adelaide, since they have drawn only once in round 14, 1994.

    5. GWS has played two draws in a row. How many times has this happened in the same season?

    Three. Carlton in rounds 1 and 2 1911, Carlton in rounds 4 and 5 1921 and GWS in rounds 15 and 16 2017.

    6. Which season has had the greatest number of drawn games?

    1921 (5 games).

    7. What was the highest score in a drawn game?

    132. Essendon v Carlton, round 2 1993.

    8. How many drawn finals have there been?

    Pretty sure this is 8. GF in 1948, 1977, 2010. PF in 1962. SF in 1928, 1946, 1972. QF in 1990.

    9. Which two clubs were involved in the first draw in the 1897 season?

    Fitzroy and South Melbourne, round 7. Also the same score: 5.13.43.

    10. In what season did South Melbourne make the finals because they had drawn a game?

    Had to look this one up. 1977, round 7 draw put them half a game clear of Carlton.

    This all goes to show that draws are rather rare. When I mentioned knee-jerk reactions to rare events in the Bugg thread, the response to the 2010 GF draw was in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilfws View Post
    Great questions! And timely as I return to work today and need to refresh the data crunching skills, so I'll give it a go. But first my related question: how many drawn games have there been with not just the same total score, but the same number of goals and behinds?

    1. How many drawn games have there been?

    156.

    2. Which club has been involved in the greatest number of drawn games?

    Essendon I think, with 35.

    3. Which two clubs have been involved in the most draws with each other? (Two correct answers)

    Essendon v Geelong and Carlton v South Melbourne (4 each).

    4. Which current club has played the most games since their last draw?

    I'm guessing Adelaide, since they have drawn only once in round 14, 1994.

    5. GWS has played two draws in a row. How many times has this happened in the same season?

    Three. Carlton in rounds 1 and 2 1911, Carlton in rounds 4 and 5 1921 and GWS in rounds 15 and 16 2017.

    6. Which season has had the greatest number of drawn games?

    1921 (5 games).

    7. What was the highest score in a drawn game?

    132. Essendon v Carlton, round 2 1993.

    8. How many drawn finals have there been?

    Pretty sure this is 8. GF in 1948, 1977, 2010. PF in 1962. SF in 1928, 1946, 1972. QF in 1990.

    9. Which two clubs were involved in the first draw in the 1897 season?

    Fitzroy and South Melbourne, round 7. Also the same score: 5.13.43.

    10. In what season did South Melbourne make the finals because they had drawn a game?

    Had to look this one up. 1977, round 7 draw put them half a game clear of Carlton.

    This all goes to show that draws are rather rare. When I mentioned knee-jerk reactions to rare events in the Bugg thread, the response to the 2010 GF draw was in my mind.
    All answers correct except for one.

    3. Which two clubs have been involved in the most draws with each other? (Two correct answers) Carlton-Essendon and Carlton-South Melbourne/Sydney - 6 draws

    From afltables:
    6-May-1911 R2 Carlton 10.6.66 South Melbourne 10.6.66 Princes Park
    3-May-1913 R2 Carlton 8.13.61 South Melbourne 9.7.61 Princes Park
    16-May-1914 R4 South Melbourne 8.4.52 Carlton 7.10.52 Lake Oval
    4-Jun-1921 R5 South Melbourne 10.10.70 Carlton 10.10.70 Lake Oval
    26-Jul-1952 R14 South Melbourne 10.16.76 Carlton 10.16.76 Lake Oval
    27-May-1967 R7 South Melbourne 11.12.78 Carlton 11.12.78 Lake Oval

    29-Apr-1911 R1 Essendon 5.15.45 Carlton 6.9.45 East Melbourne
    3-May-1924 R2 Carlton 7.14.56 Essendon 7.14.56 Princes Park
    3-Apr-1993 R2 Essendon 20.12.132 Carlton 19.18.132 M.C.G.
    22-Jul-2006 R16 Essendon 16.9.105 Carlton 15.15.105 M.C.G.
    16-Apr-2011 R4 Carlton 11.13.79 Essendon 11.13.79 M.C.G.
    30-Aug-2014 R23 Carlton 14.6.90 Essendon 13.12.90 M.C.G.

    A few interesting facts about these sequences:
    * For the first four South Melbourne-Carlton draws, these were South Melbourne's only drawn games in that period.
    * Carlton's last three drawn games have been with Essendon (and four out of the last five).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder Shaker View Post
    All answers correct except for one.
    ...double-checks code...gah, finds cases where the space after "South" is missing that were not counted! Thanks.

    It really is a game designed to ensure a winner most times, isn't it. Guess that's why I never liked soccer, all those 0-0 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    Rohans CD data was terrible.
    This is true, and consistent with the view that he goes missing in big games. I would be interested in seeing the correlation between his CD score and how contested the game is.

    Towers I also thought was pretty poor, but his CD stats were about average for him. (Which would be pretty poor, according to some , but actually not *that* bad).

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    Jumping the gun a bit on this stat, but if AJ plays in seniors again then it will be over 5 years between games. I thought that this would go pretty close to being the longest time between games, but it turns out it's not even in the top 10! It would in fact be the 12th longest, and this is unlikely to change as the 11th is 8 yrs, 82 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerman View Post
    Jumping the gun a bit on this stat, but if AJ plays in seniors again then it will be over 5 years between games. I thought that this would go pretty close to being the longest time between games, but it turns out it's not even in the top 10! It would in fact be the 12th longest, and this is unlikely to change as the 11th is 8 yrs, 82 days.
    Yeah but I'm not sure you should include so if those "records" as the VFA was pretty big at the turn of last century & a lot of those lengthy gaps between games were due to either crossing from the VFL to the VFA or WWI interrupted careers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerman View Post
    Jumping the gun a bit on this stat, but if AJ plays in seniors again then it will be over 5 years between games. I thought that this would go pretty close to being the longest time between games, but it turns out it's not even in the top 10! It would in fact be the 12th longest, and this is unlikely to change as the 11th is 8 yrs, 82 days.
    If he does make it back, he would be the record holder among current players by a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder Shaker View Post
    All answers correct except for one.

    3. Which two clubs have been involved in the most draws with each other? (Two correct answers) Carlton-Essendon and Carlton-South Melbourne/Sydney - 6 draws

    From afltables:
    6-May-1911 R2 Carlton 10.6.66 South Melbourne 10.6.66 Princes Park
    3-May-1913 R2 Carlton 8.13.61 South Melbourne 9.7.61 Princes Park
    16-May-1914 R4 South Melbourne 8.4.52 Carlton 7.10.52 Lake Oval
    4-Jun-1921 R5 South Melbourne 10.10.70 Carlton 10.10.70 Lake Oval
    26-Jul-1952 R14 South Melbourne 10.16.76 Carlton 10.16.76 Lake Oval
    27-May-1967 R7 South Melbourne 11.12.78 Carlton 11.12.78 Lake Oval

    29-Apr-1911 R1 Essendon 5.15.45 Carlton 6.9.45 East Melbourne
    3-May-1924 R2 Carlton 7.14.56 Essendon 7.14.56 Princes Park
    3-Apr-1993 R2 Essendon 20.12.132 Carlton 19.18.132 M.C.G.
    22-Jul-2006 R16 Essendon 16.9.105 Carlton 15.15.105 M.C.G.
    16-Apr-2011 R4 Carlton 11.13.79 Essendon 11.13.79 M.C.G.
    30-Aug-2014 R23 Carlton 14.6.90 Essendon 13.12.90 M.C.G.

    A few interesting facts about these sequences:
    * For the first four South Melbourne-Carlton draws, these were South Melbourne's only drawn games in that period.
    * Carlton's last three drawn games have been with Essendon (and four out of the last five).
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