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    Quote Originally Posted by aardvark View Post
    Poor Big Cat. He's been waiting for weeks to post this and no one recognized the sarcasm.
    The sarcasm was noted. Or perhaps double standard (in that no one is calling for Clarko�s head on RWO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aardvark View Post
    Poor Big Cat. He's been waiting for weeks to post this and no one recognized the sarcasm.
    His post has four "likes" - the most, I think, for any post since the like functionality was introduced. So I reckon at least some recognised the sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Cat View Post
    Looking at Hawks game. Clarkson has to go! His game plan is now outdated. No plan B. Possibly lost the players. Lucky to have had the list to win four flags! Hawks should be looking for someone like Longmire
    Quote Originally Posted by Billericay View Post
    I wonder if Longmire would ever say this?

    Clarko to review own role in shock loss - AFL.com.au

    Clarkson: "I've got to take some responsibility, and we as a coaching group, on why we didn't have our players in the same sort of desire and hunt for the contest as the Kangaroos side. But there will be times in the next few weeks where it just evaporates from the Kangaroos system as well. It's bloody hard to maintain for 22 rounds of the season."
    Not hard to answer that one in terms of public comments, but I genuinely hope there is that sort of acknowledgement from Longmire internally from time-to-time. You'd think there probably has to be, given his noted strength in man-management and the perception that we have a fairly motivated and driven playing list. But then you could say it should be easy for someone like Longmire (ie. long-term contract, clearly entrenched in his role) to voice it publicly every now-and-then like Clarkson does.

    The main concern I think Longmire should have at the moment re: the 'Plan A' issue is that even when we have dominated periods of games recently, our structure/personnel haven't been able to convert it on the scoreboard. After half-time in the two SCG games this year being prime examples.

    At least when Hawthorn awoke from their slumber yesterday they started to dominate on the scoreboard also.

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    Wow.
    There are enough levels of @@@@ to choose a level that that game was played at.
    I left in protest with five minutes to go (still listening to the radio). Three shots at goal and all behinds in that time. Would have won us the game had we been a little more accurate.
    Truth be told, they would have crushed us by 100 points had they been more accurate.
    Hope the swans play this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Not hard to answer that one in terms of public comments, but I genuinely hope there is that sort of acknowledgement from Longmire internally from time-to-time. You'd think there probably has to be, given his noted strength in man-management and the perception that we have a fairly motivated and driven playing list. But then you could say it should be easy for someone like Longmire (ie. long-term contract, clearly entrenched in his role) to voice it publicly every now-and-then like Clarkson does.

    The main concern I think Longmire should have at the moment re: the 'Plan A' issue is that even when we have dominated periods of games recently, our structure/personnel haven't been able to convert it on the scoreboard. After half-time in the two SCG games this year being prime examples.

    At least when Hawthorn awoke from their slumber yesterday they started to dominate on the scoreboard also.

    I remember i 2011 when we were going badly that Longmire refused to take responsibility and was blaming the players. A senior group of players including Adam Goodes and Ryan O'Keefe approached Longmire about the game plan. They were adamant the game plan had to change to get the best out of the players we had at the time. They also wanted the coaches to start taking responsibility and not simply blaming the players for not instituting the game plan. This worked, the coaches admitted they got it wrong, instituted a new game plan which included slingshot and the rest is history.

    Since then the strong, independent, leaders at the club have retired and been replaced by mainly more introspective follow the club line leaders. Nobody in the player leadership group seeds to question anymore even if the match day stuff is not working. The other thing is nobody seems to be questioning several other issues of concern;

    1. Our lack of ability to consistently hit targets
    2. Our work-rate in providing leads. This has been very poor since round one
    3. Our panicky defence that just seems to kick the ball indiscriminately out of defence only to see it come back time and again.
    4. The breakdown of structures due to putting on a full flood. this leads to indiscriminate kicking out of defence because there is nobody to take the kick over 50 metres. There is no structure at all just a flood
    5. The lack of structure coming into the forward 50. We bomb more than any other side in the AFL. We simply put the ball on players heads and pretend they will mark. Without Reid and Sinclair forward there is @@@@ all chance of that. But even with only smalls there we just bomb. This is idiocy not a game plan.
    6. Our inability to win the stoppages, clearances and contested possession.
    7. Our tackle count being way down on last year.
    8. Our inability to run with other sides. We don't seem to be able to keep up with them and they seem to get an overlap too easily and run the ball into the forward-line very quickly.
    9. We are playing that dreadful zoning tactic again. This gives opposition sides at least 20 metres on our players and all they do is play it around until they get an overlap. We are using the extra man in defence and if a side uses the extra on the ball they cut us to pieces; IE Crows. Why not play man on man as we are just as good at that, even better than zone in fact. The zone is a totally defensive move that is easily exploited.
    10. Our lack of ability to change things up on the field smacks of our players being far to regimented to a regime. This shows lack of flair. Some of the young guys have flair but are playing well below their ability due to Longmire's lack of being able to devise a game plan to fit the talent at his disposal. We are far too defensive and then when that does not work we don't have an attack except defensive attack.

    In the end the talent is being totally wasted at the Swans. They might as well go somewhere their abilities will be appreciated because they aren't here. I bet Longmire, as concessional as he was in the press conference, gave Ollie a blast after the game. Ollie committed the mortal sin, he attacked when he was supposed to defend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolftone57 View Post
    I remember i 2011 when we were going badly that Longmire refused to take responsibility and was blaming the players. A senior group of players including Adam Goodes and Ryan O'Keefe approached Longmire about the game plan. They were adamant the game plan had to change to get the best out of the players we had at the time. They also wanted the coaches to start taking responsibility and not simply blaming the players for not instituting the game plan. This worked, the coaches admitted they got it wrong, instituted a new game plan which included slingshot and the rest is history.

    Since then the strong, independent, leaders at the club have retired and been replaced by mainly more introspective follow the club line leaders. Nobody in the player leadership group seeds to question anymore even if the match day stuff is not working. The other thing is nobody seems to be questioning several other issues of concern;

    1. Our lack of ability to consistently hit targets
    2. Our work-rate in providing leads. This has been very poor since round one
    3. Our panicky defence that just seems to kick the ball indiscriminately out of defence only to see it come back time and again.
    4. The breakdown of structures due to putting on a full flood. this leads to indiscriminate kicking out of defence because there is nobody to take the kick over 50 metres. There is no structure at all just a flood
    5. The lack of structure coming into the forward 50. We bomb more than any other side in the AFL. We simply put the ball on players heads and pretend they will mark. Without Reid and Sinclair forward there is @@@@ all chance of that. But even with only smalls there we just bomb. This is idiocy not a game plan.
    6. Our inability to win the stoppages, clearances and contested possession.
    7. Our tackle count being way down on last year.
    8. Our inability to run with other sides. We don't seem to be able to keep up with them and they seem to get an overlap too easily and run the ball into the forward-line very quickly.
    9. We are playing that dreadful zoning tactic again. This gives opposition sides at least 20 metres on our players and all they do is play it around until they get an overlap. We are using the extra man in defence and if a side uses the extra on the ball they cut us to pieces; IE Crows. Why not play man on man as we are just as good at that, even better than zone in fact. The zone is a totally defensive move that is easily exploited.
    10. Our lack of ability to change things up on the field smacks of our players being far to regimented to a regime. This shows lack of flair. Some of the young guys have flair but are playing well below their ability due to Longmire's lack of being able to devise a game plan to fit the talent at his disposal. We are far too defensive and then when that does not work we don't have an attack except defensive attack.

    In the end the talent is being totally wasted at the Swans. They might as well go somewhere their abilities will be appreciated because they aren't here. I bet Longmire, as concessional as he was in the press conference, gave Ollie a blast after the game. Ollie committed the mortal sin, he attacked when he was supposed to defend.
    We are 3 and 2, one game off the top team. Under Longmire, we have made 3 grand finals and won one flag. All grand finals have been played on oppositions home ground or in oppositions home city. No one is perfect but his record is outstanding. Our list is good but over rated. If we played like millionaires, we would be the turnover kings. We only have a couple of elite ball users in McVeigh and Buddy. Amazing that coach has got us where he has for the past 7 years through pressure game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caj23 View Post
    Pathetic effort against an undermanned team

    I�m going early and saying we can�t win it this year. Sounds stupid but our senior brigade are cooked
    Ah hindsight what a benefit it provides when looking back at the early part of the season and the frustration some of us were feeling. Hopefully this doesn�t come across as trolling but rather trying to highlight the danger of calling it so early in the season ????
    after the performances over the last two months ( including those of the senior brigade ) I hope you are not still feeling that way.
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