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Thread: #AFL Rd 16 Sydney v Geelong, SCG, 05 July 2018 @SydneySwans #SwansCats

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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    Richmond exposed the swans last week, and Geelong followed the same plan.

    I thought allir was good. Towers will be better for the run, and Robinson was ok.
    My thoughts exactly Barry. Last nights game was a replica of last weeks against Richmond - Geelong would have watched that with interest. What stopped us getting smashed was Geelong's poor kicking for goal.

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    The problem we have had through the midfield this year is the loss of our left-wing attack through the ineffectiveness of both Hannebery and Jack, who have been the mainstay of our attack from the left going back to the Malceski days. Dropping Newman has further depleted our ability to move the ball on the left wing. I've noticed that Buddy is now getting more of his marks on the right side now, which is a change from previous years.

    So now we are mostly dependent on moving the ball down the Cunningham Wing (formerly the Jetta Wing). It's easier for the opposition to defend this when the Hannebery Wing has gone missing. We are pretty well stuffed this year with both Hanners and Jack not likely to do much, even if they get back on the park. Ling and Stoddart were recruited to carry the left side load in the next generation of players, but will not have much impact for a few years.

    We will have to play Buddy as a genuine left wing midfielder the rest of the year to compensate for the loss of Hanners and Jack. We should try to get Newman and Dawson into to the senior side ASAP, but form has to take precedence as I wouldn't expect them to replace Hanners and Jack. Only Buddy can make enough of an impact there to worry opposition sides.

    I'm not sure when we can make this happen, but over the next few games:

    • Reid comes back to form our key forward combo with McCartin.
    • O'Riordan comes in to replace McVeigh.
    • Rohan is trialed in defence to help release Jones for more midfield time.
    • Dawson gets a go in the seniors.
    • Newman gets a reprieve.
    • Heeney and Papley back when fit.


    Let's see how the reserves go for an update on player availability.
    Thanks Luddy, I’ve been thinking about this left and right side specialists as well and you have documented it well .

    So we have the Cunningham right wing (old Jetta wing), so the left wing is now a house with no name?

    What will it be christened ?

    The Ling Wing ?

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    I understand the pessimism, but I think it is worth noting that the injuries we have are affecting our structures and contributing to the poor play.

    Longmire emphasised in the press conference that we were smashed out of the centre, particularly in the first half. The clearance stats from last night are stark. Kennedy had 12, then Parker (who played forward a lot) had 5, Sinclair and Lloyd with 4, then Fox and McVeigh had 2, and several had 1 (including Hewett, whose average is 4). That's a pretty shallow midfield. Heeney back will help with that, both through his own play (he averages over 3) and by allowing Parker to move into the centre. Dawson (7) topped the clearance count for the reserves last weekend and if he plays well on Saturday he should be a smoky for next week. It is clear he will have an important role winning the ball in the future.

    Longmire commented in the presser that he was forced to play Parker forward more given the lack of target up forward. That lack of target was noticeable during the game. Aside from Parker, we only really had Buddy and at times McCartin (who played mostly up the wings) to kick to. Reid, Heeney and Papley back will help provide marking targets and allow Parker to play in the middle more.

    Longmire also noted that we didn't force enough repeat entires last night, and our forward 50 pressure did look noticeably down. Hayward and Ronke both picked up the majority of their possessions in the defensive half last night, I think due to us not being able to win the ball in midfield, and we need to get them playing forward more, where they contribute important forward 50 pressure. Hannebery playing forward with his injured calf and Towers failing to chase, didn't help. Papley and Rohan returning will also assist with that, provided they are fully fit. Papley's chase has been poor for a lot of the year as he has battled with injury and fitness - his tackle count is well down on his career average.

    Longmire acknowledged Aliir's good form in the press conference, and he also noted Fox did some good things. I like that Fox goes hard at the ball and moves well with it. He has a good leap and takes players on. There is adventurism to his play. He's better than Towers playing a similar role. His heat map is interesting - he played all over the ground, which I think suits him and us.

    A Sunday game next week is handy. It maximises the chances that Heeney and Papley will return and that Reid will be able to play reserves and have time to recover.
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    It has been so noticeable that in the last 2 weeks against the better teams is how we struggle to get the ball out of our defensive zone. However, once we do get the ball into the forward line the opposition seems to repel it quite easily. There were a few times against Geelong that we were able to lock the ball into our F50 but it didn't translate into goals.

    We get 1 good kick out of defence then don't seem to know what to do after that.We butcher the ball, the opposition get it and straight back into our D50 again. Our players are not moving in the centre part of the ground trying to create space and opportunity - it's very static and easy to defend against.

    It's sad for KJ - but this may have been his last game in the AFL. Horse said that Hannebery got a calf injury but lets's wait for the news about something else - there has to be some smoke and mirrors going on with Hanners. We probably won't see McVeigh for the rest of the year which is a shame as he has been good this year.

    If we continue playing like last night we're not going to win too many more games. Next week we play Norf, we still have to play Essendon, Collingwood, Melbourne and Gold Coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markwebbos View Post
    It’s an aside but I had a thought about Longmire’s dogged insistence on playing out of form golden oldies with runs on the board.

    Which is, I think he’s got a magic formula somewhere for what the age composition of the team should be and a belief that if you play too many young / inexperienced players the team falls apart.

    So I think he’s been reluctant to drop DH, KJ etc primarily for that reason.
    Its a funny one - because I would argue this year that it has been many of our younger/inexperienced players that have had critical impacts on games and helped deliver many of our wins.

    There is always a tipping point where too much inexperience/youth probably does end up being too much, especially when you've already got your best young guys firmly established in the team - but to me its a risk worth taking. Don't have such a choice now with McVeigh and KJ both having extended time on the sidelines to come.

    The more time the core of our potentially next Premiership winning team gets together as a group as they develop, the better I say. The building blocks are there - take a chance, back 'em and see how they go. As they've shown this year already, there is a very bright future to come, where not only are we still perennial challengers now, but should be for the foreseeable future (assuming average luck with injuries, and good recruitment outcomes on average over the next several years).
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    Swans win = Yay
    Swans Lose = why do we bother, can't win the premiership. Play youth and look to the future

    Time to think about hitting post just after a tough loss ....

    We were always going to struggle to score last night
    Until we have Paps, Reid, and Heeney back tohelp Buddy and McCartin
    Patience is needed
    We are lucky that outside of the Tigers most teams are inconsistent
    We can and will still finish top 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattW View Post
    I understand the pessimism, but I think it is worth noting that the injuries we have are affecting our structures and contributing to the poor play.

    Longmire emphasised in the press conference that we were smashed out of the centre, particularly in the first half. The clearance stats from last night are stark. Kennedy had 12, then Parker (who played forward a lot) had 5, Sinclair and Lloyd with 4, then Fox and McVeigh had 2, and several had 1 (including Hewett, whose average is 4). That's a pretty shallow midfield. Heeney back will help with that, both through his own play (he averages over 3) and by allowing Parker to move into the centre. Dawson (7) topped the clearance count for the reserves last weekend and if he plays well on Saturday he should be a smoky for next week. It is clear he will have an important role winning the ball in the future.

    Longmire commented in the presser that he was forced to play Parker forward more given the lack of target up forward. That lack of target was noticeable during the game. Aside from Parker, we only really had Buddy and at times McCartin (who played mostly up the wings) to kick to. Reid, Heeney and Papley back will help provide marking targets and allow Parker to play in the middle more.

    Longmire also noted that we didn't force enough repeat entires last night, and our forward 50 pressure did look noticeably down. Hayward and Ronke both picked up the majority of their possessions in the defensive half last night, I think due to us not being able to win the ball in midfield, and we need to get them playing forward more, where they contribute important forward 50 pressure. Hannebery playing forward with his injured calf and Towers failing to chase, didn't help. Papley and Rohan returning will also assist with that, provided they are fully fit. Papley's chase has been poor for a lot of the year as he has battled with injury and fitness - his tackle count is well down on his career average.

    Longmire acknowledged Aliir's good form in the press conference, and he also noted Fox did some good things. I like that Fox goes hard at the ball and moves well with it. He has a good leap and takes players on. There is adventurism to his play. He's better than Towers playing a similar role. His heat map is interesting - he played all over the ground, which I think suits him and us.

    A Sunday game next week is handy. It maximises the chances that Heeney and Papley will return and that Reid will be able to play reserves and have time to recover.
    This makes a lot of sense
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    Is our major problem at the moment
    Would've changed plenty last night

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    Mixed emotions about the reason Hanners won't be playing, but glad he's out and hoping Kieren doesn't get up too. Swans need fit players in the side. Shame about Macca. He's been extremely good this year, but is not big on "two way running". Hoping they'll give Newman / COR a crack at his role.

    Going to be a very different Swans team against North.

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    Majority of the Swans players can't play high tempo footy. That is first to the ball, and pick the ball up cleanly. Everything is rushed and that just equates to errors. Better discipline and high tempo training is needed.

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    I'd make four outs next week, McVeigh, Hanners, KJ & Towers who was terrible last night. If they play well tomorrow, Reid, Dawson, Newman and COR to debut. Got to try something, it may just work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 707 View Post
    I'd make four outs next week, McVeigh, Hanners, KJ & Towers who was terrible last night. If they play well tomorrow, Reid, Dawson, Newman and COR to debut. Got to try something, it may just work!

    Reid Dawson Papley Heeney COR to come in. Newman makes too many mistakes I think.

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