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    Quote Originally Posted by swansrob View Post
    You've also missed the part where Plugger1300 said 5+ a quarter - 20 touches a game. No one ever suggested 5 disposals a game was going to cut it
    Yes, I did.
    Apologies for that.
    But the point stands.
    Making excuses for low possessions and low impact in a game based on the the theory that "not all players can have an impact" is not acceptable.
    Sure there are other roles to play. Tagging etc, but Rohan doesn't seem to have any real specific role except spurts of exciting football very intermittantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    Lets be honest, all those are fringe players who we can cover.

    Mills (Foot) - Young player, yet to set the world on fire.
    Naismith (Knee) - Covered by Sinclair. In fact, would struggle to get a game.
    Ling (Toe), - Not in best 22.
    McVeigh (Collarbone) - Having a good year, but been fringe for a number of years now.
    Hannebery (OP) - One we do actually miss, but should be back for finals.
    Reid (Achilles) - Never on the park. Cant miss what you never see.
    Melican (Hamstring) - Fringe player.
    Jack is TBA but might as well be injured given what he contributes. - Again, best is behind him. Fringe player.

    None, apart from Hannebery and Reid (if in form) are in our best 15.
    A little bit harsh on Melican and Naismith. Melican was clearly top 22 last season and its only injury that has changed that - certainly more than just a fringe player per say. Naismith may struggle to get a game with the form Sinclair is in atm, but is arguably our best 'pure ruckman' at the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcs View Post
    A little bit harsh on Melican and Naismith. Melican was clearly top 22 last season and its only injury that has changed that - certainly more than just a fringe player per say. Naismith may struggle to get a game with the form Sinclair is in atm, but is arguably our best 'pure ruckman' at the club.
    I think if Naismith was 100% fit today, he'd be rucking, Sinkers would be playing as a ruck-fwd in place of McCartin and Reid would still be injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markwebbos View Post
    I think if Naismith was 100% fit today, he'd be rucking, Sinkers would be playing as a ruck-fwd in place of McCartin and Reid would still be injured.
    Besides how rare it has been for Naismith to be 100% fit, I don't think he's ever played close to the way Sinclair has played this year. Naismith may be the better tap ruckman, but the rest of his game has yet to develop.

    Sinclair with Cameron would be a better combo than Sinclair with Naismith, and we have yet to see that so far, although with the injury list mounting and Darcy's good form, it should be considered this week.

    With Amartey getting an additional year rookie contract, Naismith is down to our 4th choice ruckman. I wouldn't offer him a senior contract this year, but rather a 1 year rookie contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
    Besides how rare it has been for Naismith to be 100% fit, I don't think he's ever played close to the way Sinclair has played this year. Naismith may be the better tap ruckman, but the rest of his game has yet to develop.

    Sinclair with Cameron would be a better combo than Sinclair with Naismith, and we have yet to see that so far, although with the injury list mounting and Darcy's good form, it should be considered this week.

    With Amartey getting an additional year rookie contract, Naismith is down to our 4th choice ruckman. I wouldn't offer him a senior contract this year, but rather a 1 year rookie contract.
    Naismith our 4th best ruckman? You've got to be kidding. You've even got Amartey ahead of him.

    Naismith is a pure ruckman. He would certainly be our 1st ruck if he was fit. Sinclair would our fwd/ruck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.S. Bleeder View Post
    Naismith our 4th best ruckman? You've got to be kidding. You've even got Amartey ahead of him.

    Naismith is a pure ruckman. He would certainly be our 1st ruck if he was fit. Sinclair would our fwd/ruck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.S. Bleeder View Post
    Naismith our 4th best ruckman? You've got to be kidding. You've even got Amartey ahead of him.

    Naismith is a pure ruckman. He would certainly be our 1st ruck if he was fit. Sinclair would our fwd/ruck.
    I'm afraid the pure ruckman is a thing of the past, unless the rules are changed to make it more favourable for the old style ruckman. It's probably a moot point regarding Naismith. Sadly, it seems that persistent injuries are likely to stifle his AFL career. If he does make it back, he will have to develop other parts of his game to succeed, and for that to happen he first needs a good run with injury.

    I rate Amartey quite highly, and the club seems to as well, extending his contract another year. He has a good all around game which just needs time to develop and refine. He could be a true tall utility that can play all key positions. I can see him as a good tall defender option (even though I've never seen him play defence), if Melican turns out to be one of those injury prone players.

    A possible future role for Naismith could be as a specialist Mason Cox Defender. If Mason Cox continues to improve, we may find a few more clubs playing super tall forwards that can just extend their arms while standing on the ground and take a mark. So there may be a need for a likewise tall agile player who can defend the vertical space around the Mason Cox type forward. Maybe he would only play when we play Collingwood or if all our other ruckmen are out injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
    I'm afraid the pure ruckman is a thing of the past, unless the rules are changed to make it more favourable for the old style ruckman. It's probably a moot point regarding Naismith. Sadly, it seems that persistent injuries are likely to stifle his AFL career. If he does make it back, he will have to develop other parts of his game to succeed, and for that to happen he first needs a good run with injury.

    I rate Amartey quite highly, and the club seems to as well, extending his contract another year. He has a good all around game which just needs time to develop and refine. He could be a true tall utility that can play all key positions. I can see him as a good tall defender option (even though I've never seen him play defence), if Melican turns out to be one of those injury prone players.

    A possible future role for Naismith could be as a specialist Mason Cox Defender. If Mason Cox continues to improve, we may find a few more clubs playing super tall forwards that can just extend their arms while standing on the ground and take a mark. So there may be a need for a likewise tall agile player who can defend the vertical space around the Mason Cox type forward. Maybe he would only play when we play Collingwood or if all our other ruckmen are out injured.
    Naismith was crucial for centre clearances and his agility is under rated. He is still our best option if he can come back fit. Sinclair has been great but gets monstered by heavier blokes.

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    I see Cameron filling the mason Cox specialist defenders role. Expect his debut when we play Collingwood next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barry View Post
    I see Cameron filling the mason Cox specialist defenders role. Expect his debut when we play Collingwood next.
    I like the idea of Cameron getting his debut soon

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    I’ve just gotten back from holidays so I’m watching the replay of the north Melbourne game ( yes I know the result )

    I know it’s been said before but I think we’ve seen the last of Mills playing as a defender. By the time he comes back next year the transformation of our defence into a running defence will be just about complete with only a few minor tweaks ( eg as smith gets older).

    Mills will come back into the midfield and should run amok with Heeney, Florent aided by the experience of Kennedy and Parker. No room for jack or hanners unless hanners has a dramatic recovery

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    Nick Smith as been ruled out for 6 weeks, I.e. the season, with his hammy.

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