2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

**dejavoodoo44** · 21st November 2019, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ludwig

There were other losses, including having to go into a deficit to get Green as they only have around 700 points remaining in this year's draft. That will effectively wipe out next year's second rounder. They also effectively gave up a pick in the 30s this year by losing the leftover points they would have had by using picks 12 and 18 to match the bid for Green. And if they had traded down with those picks, instead of up, they might have moved into a pick in the 20s.

You have to look at the totality of the trades and what could have gone down. They were always going to get Green, so all trading has only been for whoever the get at pick 4. I figure they will get a run and carry player like Lachie Ash, which is all well and good, but giving up a similar player like Jeremy Sharp, who Cal Twomey rates at pick 27, plus their 1st 2 draft picks from 2020.

Let's not forget that the Giants received 2020 3rd and 4th round picks for 2 players they previously drafted with picks 1 and 10. They also lost former 1st round pick Adam Thomlinson.

I figure the totality of what they will do this year will get them Tom Green, their pick 4 and a few 3rd and 4th rounders for next year in exchange for, wait for this ................ 6 past, present and future 1st round draft picks and a 2nd and 3rd rounder in this draft. You don't have to be a mathematician to work this one out.

And should it so happen that Melbourne bids on Green and the Giants don't match, allowing them to pick Luke Jackson, then Jackson will become by far the most expensive player ever, priced out at around 6 1st round draft picks. Could you imagine Kinnear Beatson doing this?

And since Jackson is a ruckman, he then has the potential to spend large chunks of his career in rehab.

**barry** · 21st November 2019, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Markwebbos

If we could turn picks 12, 18 and next years first into picks 4 (and match a bid on pick 5) this year, you know we'd do that deal!

Next year's first rounder is probably going to be around pick 17, so it's
Pick 12,17 and 18 for picks 4 and 5.
Great deal.

**707** · 21st November 2019, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by barry

Next year's first rounder is probably going to be around pick 17, so it's
Pick 12,17 and 18 for picks 4 and 5.
Great deal.

Plus the points deficit to pay for Green.

There will be a fire sale at GWS next year

**liz** · 21st November 2019, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by barry

Next year's first rounder is probably going to be around pick 17, so it's
Pick 12,17 and 18 for picks 4 and 5.
Great deal.

Except it's not. They don't have pick 5. They have the right to match a player who may be bid on at pick 5. That right is due to the academy, not anything they've traded for. They still have to cough up the points to match the bid, wherever it comes, and that will likely wipe out all their picks with points attached this year, together with their 2nd and 3rd round picks next year. If they lose a player of quality next year, via trade or FA, it will eat up what they get in return for that player (but maybe leave their later picks next year in tact).

That doesn't make it a bad deal necessarily. But it's inaccurate to suggest they traded picks 12, 17 and 18 (and pick 59) for picks 4 and 5.

**Markwebbos** · 21st November 2019, 09:54 AM

I hadn't allowed for the fact they won't have the points to match a bid on Green at 5 (assuming they pick up a player at 4) so will go into deficit in 2020.

**Ralph Dawg** · 21st November 2019, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by liz

Except it's not. They don't have pick 5. They have the right to match a player who may be bid on at pick 5. That right is due to the academy, not anything they've traded for. They still have to cough up the points to match the bid, wherever it comes, and that will likely wipe out all their picks with points attached this year, together with their 2nd and 3rd round picks next year. If they lose a player of quality next year, via trade or FA, it will eat up what they get in return for that player (but maybe leave their later picks next year in tact).

That doesn't make it a bad deal necessarily. But it's inaccurate to suggest they traded picks 12, 17 and 18 (and pick 59) for picks 4 and 5.

I don't mind what GWS has done. Clearly it's a targeted strategy where they feel they can really improve their list with this year's draft as opposed to next year.

As I mentioned previously, we can potentially benefit from GWS being strong. They can't squeeze all their talent into 22 and we really should position ourselves to pick up one of their promising young midfielders (Hately or Caldwell in particular) if possible.

**barry** · 21st November 2019, 10:28 AM

Can't understand the anti-Gws slant being applied. Let's call it as it is, very astute trading.
So they wipe out a few speculator picks at the back end of the draft. Big deal.
They may not be finished yet, in that they trade next year's 2nd rounder for a few late picks this year so they don't go into debt.
Then any player offload for early picks next year, means they keep those picks.

Also giants are in the premiership window. Take guns this year is the sooner they play in the seniors.

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Their will be a Vic backlash against the giants after this. Not sure how it will play out, but expect some AFL retribution.

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The premiership runners up, have been able to get two top 5 picks in the draft!

**AnnieH** · 21st November 2019, 10:33 AM

Have they had the draft yet?
Have I missed anything special?

**Markwebbos** · 21st November 2019, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by AnnieH

Have they had the draft yet?
Have I missed anything special?

Yes, last night, the first round.
We bid on Tom Green, Giants matched and we got Sam Flanders!

**bloodspirit** · 21st November 2019, 11:49 AM

Daniher says he was interested to come to Sydney to get a fresh start after his injury history with his groin more so than to escape any fishbowl existence in Melbourne: Joe speaks: Find out why Daniher requested a trade to Sydney - AFL.com.au. Don't know what this means in terms of maybe getting him next year.

**stevoswan** · 21st November 2019, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by bloodspirit

Daniher says he was interested to come to Sydney to get a fresh start after his injury history with his groin more so than to escape any fishbowl existence in Melbourne: Joe speaks: Find out why Daniher requested a trade to Sydney - AFL.com.au. Don't know what this means in terms of maybe getting him next year.

.....or he was bullsh**ing to make his return to the Bombers less stressful. Injury seems to me to be a pretty lame reason for wanting a change of club.....unless he blames bad injury management at Essendon for his groin predicament.