#AFL Round 11 Weekly Discussion Thread

[0918330512]

While it makes me wanna barf into my dinner as I type this, I sorta agree with Chins on this one.

While all of the Premiers and runner ups from 1870-1897 come from foundation VFL clubs,

Year Winner Runner-up
1877 Carlton Melbourne
1878 Geelong Melbourne
1879 Geelong Carlton
1880 Geelong South Melb
1881 South Melb. Geelong
1882 Geelong Essendon
1883 Geelong South Melb
1884 Geelong Essendon
1885 South Melb Essendon
1886 Geelong South Melb
1887 Carlton Geelong
Victorian Football Association premiership officially established
1888 South Melb Geelong
1889 South Melb Carlton
1890 South Melb Carlton
1891 Essendon Carlton
1892 Essendon Fitzroy
1893 Essendon Melbourne
1894 Essendon Melbourne
1895 Fitzroy Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne
1896 Collingwood South Melb

Other non-eventual VFL clubs would have competed during those seasons. Furthermore, from 1877 until 1887, the premiership was a title given to the best performing team, determined largely by press consensus. These premierships, as well as premierships between 1870 and 1876 decided in the same manner prior to the foundation of the VFA, were at the time an informal title, but have since been considered official.

To me, incorporating 1870-1896 is somewhat contrived and manufactured. Clubs should recognise their own FVA premierships, but the AFL precursor VFL competition commenced in 1897 when 6 clubs split from the then VFA to form a new league.

This is the only time I’ve agreed with Chins ... I feel dirty!

[Markwebbos]

It's all well and good to luxuriate in Carlton's suffering, but their 1st draft pick goes to Adelaide this year. It's in everyone's interest, not least the Swans, that they rise like Lazarus and climb above us on the ladder.

[stevoswan]

It's all well and good to luxuriate in Carlton's suffering, but their 1st draft pick goes to Adelaide this year. It's in everyone's interest, not least the Swans, that they rise like Lazarus and climb above us on the ladder.

I understand the Rowell dream is indeed quite a wet one but accept it, he's gone.....we would have to tank big time to end up below Carlton.

[Bloods05]

And will other interstate clubs get credit for their wins?

Port Adelaide was the only one that existed then.

[dimelb]

Port Adelaide was the only one that existed then.

Thanks Bloods05. I assume that Eagles and Freo weren't around. Does the AFL see Brisbane as a transferred Fitzroy, or is that a Brisbane wannabe?

[707]

I understand the Rowell dream is indeed quite a wet one but accept it, he's gone.....we would have to tank big time to end up below Carlton.

Ah no, you've got it wrong. Bolton was the only problem at Carlton, he's gone now, so expect a charge up the ladder from this excellent list developed by SOS!

Crows must be wetting themselves with happiness about Carlton's year.

[KTigers]

Ah no, you've got it wrong. Bolton was the only problem at Carlton, he's gone now, so expect a charge up the ladder from this excellent list developed by SOS!

Absolutely, there are 11 H & A games to go, they'll win them all, finish 5th or 6th on the ladder with 13 wins, then win their four finals games
to take out their first flag since 1995, when they also won their 16th game in a row in the Grand Final. History will be repeated. I'm heading
off to the TAB right now !

[707]

The vision of last weeks lethargic Carlton effort was damning, be really interested to see what they effort they bring in the next few weeks. Still don't rate their list.

[stevoswan]

The vision of last weeks lethargic Carlton effort was damning, be really interested to see what they effort they bring in the next few weeks. Still don't rate their list.

Not that he's declared he's going for the job but I reckon caretaker coach Teague is on a hiding to nothing.

[Markwebbos]

The vision of last weeks lethargic Carlton effort was damning, be really interested to see what they effort they bring in the next few weeks. Still don't rate their list.

The Melbourne Media think they've got more potential than North, but it is only that, potential. It is amazing what a change of coach can do, thinking of Roos in 2002.

[chalbilto]

I tend to agree with the Melbourne media that they have got more potential than North, but that potential has to be fulfilled. Whether that happens is another query.

[Blood Fever]

While it makes me wanna barf into my dinner as I type this, I sorta agree with Chins on this one.

While all of the Premiers and runner ups from 1870-1897 come from foundation VFL clubs,

Year Winner Runner-up
1877 Carlton Melbourne
1878 Geelong Melbourne
1879 Geelong Carlton
1880 Geelong South Melb
1881 South Melb. Geelong
1882 Geelong Essendon
1883 Geelong South Melb
1884 Geelong Essendon
1885 South Melb Essendon
1886 Geelong South Melb
1887 Carlton Geelong
Victorian Football Association premiership officially established
1888 South Melb Geelong
1889 South Melb Carlton
1890 South Melb Carlton
1891 Essendon Carlton
1892 Essendon Fitzroy
1893 Essendon Melbourne
1894 Essendon Melbourne
1895 Fitzroy Collingwood, Geelong, Melbourne
1896 Collingwood South Melb

Other non-eventual VFL clubs would have competed during those seasons. Furthermore, from 1877 until 1887, the premiership was a title given to the best performing team, determined largely by press consensus. These premierships, as well as premierships between 1870 and 1876 decided in the same manner prior to the foundation of the VFA, were at the time an informal title, but have since been considered official.

To me, incorporating 1870-1896 is somewhat contrived and manufactured. Clubs should recognise their own FVA premierships, but the AFL precursor VFL competition commenced in 1897 when 6 clubs split from the then VFA to form a new league.

This is the only time I’ve agreed with Chins ... I feel dirty!

Another valid viewpoint is that the records up till 1897 shine a light on the period when it was the VFA. This is something that has been totally forgotten. Don't have a problem with it although not sure if it is fair to SA and WA comps.