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    I believe they do.
    You're welcome to your opinion. I believe strongly in Hanlon's razor - "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

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    I don't think the AFL or umpires have seriously attempted to stop it
    100% agree with this. There is clearly a bias, and the AFL must be aware of it. Their efforts to address it are completely half-hearted and inconsequential. There just doesn't seem to be any desire from them at all to fix the problem. That's what boils my blood.

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    Melbourne v Swans 22/17, Carlton v Saints 14/22, Lions v Geelong 21/27, Adelaide v Collingwood 22/9, North v Port 22/17, Freo v Essendon 23/9.

    Some big discrepancies in favour of the losing teams. I have noticed over the years this strange situation. When we became the clearance kings I noticed that often we get a lot less frees, and my thinking was that first to the ball gets sweated on and pinged for HTB and hard tackling by us resulted in more head high frees or frees for in the back against.

    We were well down on numbers this week until the last quarter, but the Adelaide and Freo numbers are quite stark given the hidings they got.

    To me it can't be just bad calls. There are so many variables such as home ground advantage, sides adept at quick throws out of the pack, dominant rucks, jumper colours, stagers, players deliberately falling forward, constant rule changes, poor player technique, speed of the game, the Duckwoods and simply letting go of the footy when tackled, that to me the answer is a pineapple, until someone has the time to analyse every free kick given, and split them into sectors to give some plausible explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico View Post
    Melbourne v Swans 22/17, Carlton v Saints 14/22, Lions v Geelong 21/27, Adelaide v Collingwood 22/9, North v Port 22/17, Freo v Essendon 23/9.

    Some big discrepancies in favour of the losing teams.
    Does out on the full get counted in the free kicks? Brisbane kicked about 9 or 10 out on the full so that would explain why Geelong had so many more frees.

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    [QUOTE=Mel_C;783391]Does out on the full get counted in the free kicks? Brisbane kicked about 9 or 10 out on the full so that would explain why Geelong had so many more frees.[/QUO

    Another variable I didn't think of. That could explain it in part if a team is prone to play down the line. 9 seems a lot of out on the full in a game. Not a regular thing. But there are 2 sides playing so an opposition must also have some out on full. Yet again no one has come up with an explanation of the massive discrepancies. Why wouldn't the AFL give a plausible explanation. Anyone out there prepared to have a close look next week.

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    Today's evidence.....Fairypups 17 frees Giants 5. The Giants had 5 frees near the start of the third so have not received another free for the rest of the game as the Dogs go crazy scoring at will. Now admittedly the Giants were insipid in the second half....about as insipid as the umpires were biased. It was 2016 all over again. Any team looking to play the 'pups in the first week of the finals should be very worried indeed.....and it could be the Giants again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel_C View Post
    Does out on the full get counted in the free kicks? Brisbane kicked about 9 or 10 out on the full so that would explain why Geelong had so many more frees.
    No it doesn't get counted as a free kick. It's classified as a turnover, no different to kicking to an opposition player.
    Captain, I am detecting large quantities of win in this sector

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevoswan View Post
    Today's evidence.....Fairypups 17 frees Giants 5. The Giants had 5 frees near the start of the third so have not received another free for the rest of the game as the Dogs go crazy scoring at will. Now admittedly the Giants were insipid in the second half....about as insipid as the umpires were biased. It was 2016 all over again. Any team looking to play the 'pups in the first week of the finals should be very worried indeed.....and it could be the Giants again.
    Is there any way to check the frees quarter by quarter? And by field umpire?
    Captain, I am detecting large quantities of win in this sector

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    Paul Roos calls for full-time umpires with Sydney and GWS sick of being on the wrong end of free-kick tally

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    Former Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos and the club’s current administration have weighed in on evidence that Sydney clubs are disadvantaged by umpires when it comes to free kicks... The former premiership-winning coach called on the AFL to cut the excuses and make umpires full-time, while the current Sydney Swans administration also spoke out strongly to condemn the serious discrepancies laid bare in how the game is officiated across the league.

    The Swans and GWS not only sit at the bottom of the pile for free kicks awarded this year, but over the past two decades they languish in the bottom three for free kick percentage...

    Swans football boss Charlie Gardiner said home ground advantage was a @“reality”. “You can’t shy away from the numbers where this year we’ve got the worst free kick differential in the competition,” Gardiner told The Saturday Telegraph. “We’re negative 53 against our opposition for the year. If you look at Collingwood, they’re positive 90 for the year. It’s not only the (free kicks) that are paid, it’s also the ones that are missed."

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    Paul Roos calls for full-time umpires with Sydney and GWS sick of being on the wrong end of free-kick tally

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    Former Sydney Swans coach Paul Roos and the club’s current administration have weighed in on evidence that Sydney clubs are disadvantaged by umpires when it comes to free kicks... The former premiership-winning coach called on the AFL to cut the excuses and make umpires full-time, while the current Sydney Swans administration also spoke out strongly to condemn the serious discrepancies laid bare in how the game is officiated across the league.

    The Swans and GWS not only sit at the bottom of the pile for free kicks awarded this year, but over the past two decades they languish in the bottom three for free kick percentage...

    Swans football boss Charlie Gardiner said home ground advantage was a @“reality”. “You can’t shy away from the numbers where this year we’ve got the worst free kick differential in the competition,” Gardiner told The Saturday Telegraph. “We’re negative 53 against our opposition for the year. If you look at Collingwood, they’re positive 90 for the year. It’s not only the (free kicks) that are paid, it’s also the ones that are missed."
    Nothing else has worked so this worth a try. Watch the backlash!

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    Leon Cameron should have made the giants refuse to come out after 3/4 time, until the umpires were changed.

    It will take that sort of action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Fever View Post
    Nothing else has worked so this worth a try. Watch the backlash!
    Yes, there'll be backlash - especially from the teams that do well with the umpires. But thanks Roosy - at least the issue is out there!!

    Must give credit where credit is due though. Well done Bulldogs! What a well drilled and disciplined team. For the whole team to commit only 5 rule infringements in a whole game of football today - marvellous! Almost as good as only breaking rules 8 times in a Grand Final!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandridge View Post
    Yes, there'll be backlash - especially from the teams that do well with the umpires. But thanks Roosy - at least the issue is out there!!

    Must give credit where credit is due though. Well done Bulldogs! What a well drilled and disciplined team. For the whole team to commit only 5 rule infringements in a whole game of football today - marvellous! Almost as good as only breaking rules 8 times in a Grand Final!
    Yes, and even though they hardly broke the rules, they did manage to break Dan Hannebery for about two seasons.

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