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    Our offer for Daniher supposedly included our first round pick for this year ... Dodged a huge bullet!

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    Yes, I have lot of free time on my hand.

    I have been through all the trade and future picks to correctly allocate trade spots. Or at least i hope i have.

    North Melbourne look pretty good.


    Indicative draft order after round 7.
    Round One
    1 Adelaide
    2 Sydney Swans
    3 North Melbourne
    4 North Melbourne
    5 Fremantle
    6 Hawthorn
    7 Western Bulldogs
    8 Geelong Cats
    9 Adelaide
    10 Gold Coast
    11 Geelong Cats
    12 Carlton
    13 St Kilda
    14 Richmond
    15 Collingwood
    16 Essendon
    17 Brisbane
    18 Geelong Cats
    19 Brisbane
    Round Two
    20 Adelaide
    21 Sydney Swans
    22 Hawthorn
    23 Fremantle
    24 Port Adelaide
    25 Melbourne
    26 Adelaide
    27 West Coast
    28 GWS Giants
    29 Gold Coast
    30 Carlton
    31 Richmond
    32 Collingwood
    33 Port Adelaide
    34 North Melbourne
    35 Gold Coast
    36 Geelong Cats
    37 Port Adelaide
    Round Three
    38 Western Bulldogs
    39 Brisbane
    40 Collingwood
    41 Melbourne
    42 Adelaide
    43 Hawthorn
    44 Western Bulldogs
    45 Geelong Cats
    46 GWS Giants
    47 Essendon
    48 Carlton
    49 Port Adelaide
    50 Richmond
    51 Adelaide
    52 Hawthorn
    53 Sydney Swans
    54 Geelong Cats
    55 Port Adelaide
    Round Four
    56 Sydney Swans
    57 St Kilda
    58 North Melbourne
    59 North Melbourne
    60 Melbourne
    61 Hawthorn
    62 Hawthorn
    63 Essendon
    64 Brisbane
    65 Adelaide
    66 Melbourne
    67 Collingwood
    68 Richmond
    69 GWS Giants
    70 Essendon
    71 Gold Coast
    72 Essendon
    73 St Kilda
    Round Five
    74 Adelaide
    75 Sydney Swans
    76 North Melbourne
    77 Melbourne
    78 Brisbane
    79 Hawthorn
    80 Western Bulldogs
    81 West Coast
    82 GWS Giants
    83 Gold Coast
    84 Carlton
    85 St Kilda
    86 Richmond
    87 Collingwood
    88 Essendon
    89 Brisbane
    90 Geelong Cats
    91 Port Adelaide
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09183305 View Post
    Is it just me, or is Charlie “aaamm” Gardiner one of the hardest people to listen to when he does a presser?

    Mono-toned, speaks in cliches, gives very little info. Just doesn’t have the presence, projection, articulation or charisma of, say Horse or Harley.


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    All part of the ruse to get him cheap
    Gardiner is a big a dud as Thurlow.

    Why our board thought a corporate lawyer could be a team manager is another very poor decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Wizard View Post
    Gardiner is a big a dud as Thurlow.

    Why our board thought a corporate lawyer could be a team manager is another very poor decision.
    Where's your evidence he is a dud? None of us have any idea how he performs his job day to day. Miniscule part of his job is involved in speaking on videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Wizard View Post
    Yes, I have lot of free time on my hand.

    I have been through all the trade and future picks to correctly allocate trade spots. Or at least i hope i have.

    North Melbourne look pretty good.


    Indicative draft order after round 7.
    Round One
    1 Adelaide
    2 Sydney Swans
    3 North Melbourne
    4 North Melbourne
    5 Fremantle
    6 Hawthorn
    7 Western Bulldogs
    8 Geelong Cats
    9 Adelaide
    10 Gold Coast
    11 Geelong Cats
    12 Carlton
    13 St Kilda
    14 Richmond
    15 Collingwood
    16 Essendon
    17 Brisbane
    18 Geelong Cats
    19 Brisbane
    Round Two
    20 Adelaide
    21 Sydney Swans
    22 Hawthorn
    23 Fremantle
    24 Port Adelaide
    25 Melbourne
    26 Adelaide
    27 West Coast
    28 GWS Giants
    29 Gold Coast
    30 Carlton
    31 Richmond
    32 Collingwood
    33 Port Adelaide
    34 North Melbourne
    35 Gold Coast
    36 Geelong Cats
    37 Port Adelaide
    Round Three
    38 Western Bulldogs
    39 Brisbane
    40 Collingwood
    41 Melbourne
    42 Adelaide
    43 Hawthorn
    44 Western Bulldogs
    45 Geelong Cats
    46 GWS Giants
    47 Essendon
    48 Carlton
    49 Port Adelaide
    50 Richmond
    51 Adelaide
    52 Hawthorn
    53 Sydney Swans
    54 Geelong Cats
    55 Port Adelaide
    Round Four
    56 Sydney Swans
    57 St Kilda
    58 North Melbourne
    59 North Melbourne
    60 Melbourne
    61 Hawthorn
    62 Hawthorn
    63 Essendon
    64 Brisbane
    65 Adelaide
    66 Melbourne
    67 Collingwood
    68 Richmond
    69 GWS Giants
    70 Essendon
    71 Gold Coast
    72 Essendon
    73 St Kilda
    Round Five
    74 Adelaide
    75 Sydney Swans
    76 North Melbourne
    77 Melbourne
    78 Brisbane
    79 Hawthorn
    80 Western Bulldogs
    81 West Coast
    82 GWS Giants
    83 Gold Coast
    84 Carlton
    85 St Kilda
    86 Richmond
    87 Collingwood
    88 Essendon
    89 Brisbane
    90 Geelong Cats
    91 Port Adelaide
    So for the people that understand the points system for academy picks, if you are to take the draft scenario above and then do what people here have been saying (ie take a "gun" with our pick two ), what happens if then say one of the teams from say 3-8 bids on Campbell . Would we have enough points in our remaining picks to match that bid ?

    Assume then after matching that bid , someone else makes a bid for Gulden at say pick 30. Do we then have any ability to match that ?

    It seems from what I can see that unless we were seeking to trade out future draft picks , we would be struggling to match for campbell and gulden in that scenario.

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    First year for ages (ever?) that GWS do not have a 1st round pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    First year for ages (ever?) that GWS do not have a 1st round pick
    Yes, they traded this year first round pick so they could move up and get a pick before Green; they got Ash from memory.

    Pretty sweet deal and players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Magoo View Post
    So for the people that understand the points system for academy picks, if you are to take the draft scenario above and then do what people here have been saying (ie take a "gun" with our pick two ), what happens if then say one of the teams from say 3-8 bids on Campbell . Would we have enough points in our remaining picks to match that bid ?

    Assume then after matching that bid , someone else makes a bid for Gulden at say pick 30. Do we then have any ability to match that ?

    It seems from what I can see that unless we were seeking to trade out future draft picks , we would be struggling to match for Campbell and gulden in that scenario.
    Here we go:

    CLUB
    Adelaide 6,854
    North Melbourne 5,138
    Geelong Cats 4,934
    Sydney Swans 3,822
    Hawthorn 3,478
    Fremantle 2,693
    Gold Coast 2,599
    Brisbane 2,520
    Western Bulldogs 2,471
    Port Adelaide 2,325
    Carlton 2,199
    Collingwood 2,194
    Richmond 2,099
    Essendon 1,534
    Melbourne 1,394
    St Kilda 1,394
    GWS Giants 1,057
    West Coast 703


    Round One Points
    1 Adelaide 3000
    2 Sydney Swans 2517
    3 North Melbourne 2234
    4 North Melbourne 2034
    5 Fremantle 1878
    6 Hawthorn 1751
    7 Western Bulldogs 1644
    8 Geelong Cats 1551
    9 Adelaide 1469
    10 Gold Coast 1395
    11 Geelong Cats 1329
    12 Carlton 1268
    13 St Kilda 1212
    14 Richmond 1161
    15 Collingwood 1112
    16 Essendon 1067
    17 Brisbane 1025
    18 Geelong Cats 985
    19 Brisbane 948
    Round Two
    20 Adelaide 912
    21 Sydney Swans 878
    22 Hawthorn 845
    23 Fremantle 815
    24 Port Adelaide 785
    25 Melbourne 756
    26 Adelaide 729
    27 West Coast 703
    28 GWS Giants 677
    29 Gold Coast 653
    30 Carlton 629
    31 Richmond 606
    32 Collingwood 584
    33 Port Adelaide 563
    34 North Melbourne 542
    35 Gold Coast 522
    36 Geelong Cats 502
    37 Port Adelaide 483
    Round Three
    38 Western Bulldogs 465
    39 Brisbane 446
    40 Collingwood 429
    41 Melbourne 412
    42 Adelaide 395
    43 Hawthorn 378
    44 Western Bulldogs 362
    45 Geelong Cats 347
    46 GWS Giants 331
    47 Essendon 316
    48 Carlton 302
    49 Port Adelaide 287
    50 Richmond 273
    51 Adelaide 259
    52 Hawthorn 246
    53 Sydney Swans 233
    54 Geelong Cats 220
    55 Port Adelaide 207
    Round Four
    56 Sydney Swans 194
    57 St Kilda 182
    58 North Melbourne 170
    59 North Melbourne 158
    60 Melbourne 146
    61 Hawthorn 135
    62 Hawthorn 123
    63 Essendon 112
    64 Brisbane 101
    65 Adelaide 90
    66 Melbourne 80
    67 Collingwood 69
    68 Richmond 59
    69 GWS Giants 49
    70 Essendon 39
    71 Gold Coast 29
    72 Essendon 19
    73 St Kilda 9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Magoo View Post
    So for the people that understand the points system for academy picks, if you are to take the draft scenario above and then do what people here have been saying (ie take a "gun" with our pick two ), what happens if then say one of the teams from say 3-8 bids on Campbell . Would we have enough points in our remaining picks to match that bid ?

    Assume then after matching that bid , someone else makes a bid for Gulden at say pick 30. Do we then have any ability to match that ?

    It seems from what I can see that unless we were seeking to trade out future draft picks , we would be struggling to match for campbell and gulden in that scenario.

    Bid 30 is 629 points, so we would go into deficit for next year, if we had use our picks one and two on other players.

    But i think the plan is to use our first pick on another midfielder, and then wait for a bid for Campbell.

    At the moment our three other picks, 21, 53 & 56 will add up 1305.

    So if a bid for Campbell comes after pick 11 we could cover Campbell but not Gulden.

    Or course this will depend on trading and teams winning or losing games, and our willingness to go into deficit.
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    So if we take another with Pick 2 , on current points we could only match Campbell if he was taken after pick 11 and it would seem we were no chance of Gulden . Suggests they will just take these two unless a good deal can be done for Papley with picks to add more points .

    How much deficit can you go into?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Wizard View Post
    Bid 30 is 629 points, so we would go into deficit for next year, if we had use our picks one and two on other players.

    But i think the plan is to use our first pick on another midfielder, and then wait for a bid for Campbell.

    At the moment our three other picks, 21, 53 & 56 will add up 1305.

    So if a bid for Campbell comes after pick 11 we could cover Campbell but not Gulden.

    Or course this will depend on trading and teams winning or losing games, and our willingness to go into deficit.
    did Adelaide and Kangas pick up some picks for this year in last year's trade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Magoo View Post
    So if we take another with Pick 2 , on current points we could only match Campbell if he was taken after pick 11 and it would seem we were no chance of Gulden . Suggests they will just take these two unless a good deal can be done for Papley with picks to add more points .

    How much deficit can you go into?
    From my reading of the situation, the deficit limit is set at 1723 points (the equivalent of the first four picks assigned to the premier side each year, 18, 36, 54 and 72).

    I didn't include the discount of 20% in my figures, sorry.

    But even then we would need a bid after pick seven to not use up all our 1305 from our other picks.

    But remember, we only get a 20% discount when matching bids. We don't get that discount when using own selections.


    Round One 20% discount
    1 Adelaide 2400
    2 Sydney Swans 2014
    3 North Melbourne 1787
    4 North Melbourne 1627
    5 Fremantle 1502
    6 Hawthorn 1401
    7 Western Bulldogs 1315
    8 Geelong Cats 1241
    9 Adelaide 1175
    10 Gold Coast 1116
    11 Geelong Cats 1063
    12 Carlton 1014
    13 St Kilda 970
    14 Richmond 929
    15 Collingwood 890
    16 Essendon 854
    17 Brisbane 820
    18 Geelong Cats 788
    19 Brisbane 758
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