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    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie.Gerald View Post
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    TRADES COMPLETED DURING 2023 AFL DRAFT.......

    6. Essendon gets pick 10. Geelong gets picks 11 and 31.

    7. GWS gets pick 17. St Kilda gets pick 18 and a future second.
    These trades I cannot fathom

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    You could argue that we have stacked Forwards, mids and now ruck very well at the Swans....... after bringing on board Green, and a successful trade / FA week.

    Our ruck team is a perfect succession plan
    Grundy 29yrs old
    Ladhams - 25yrs old
    Stretch - 23 yrs old
    Green - 18yrs old

    Our Mid succession plan is also very very good

    Our key forwards is yet to be proven but we have a little bit of experience around to help via an injury free Reid etc in 2024. Plus we have a lot of promise with long contracts

    Our small forwards depth is pretty good but a little unknown how good Konstanty is as yet.

    Our backline has massive depth and competition for spots...........and some of the budget players will stay and some with move on in the next year or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie.Gerald View Post
    Our backline has massive depth and competition for spots............
    True enough, but the question most have is - Do we have sufficient height there?
    Loose translation from the Latin is - I am tall, so I hit out.

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    KPD Ollie Murphy is still on the board. He was initially ranked in the top 16 few weeks back. Interesting to see how much further he slides back.

    Not enough with our hand it seems.

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    Very true RR

    Will potential become quality and what we really need at both ends ie Tall forwards and our tall backs

    Only time will tell with season 2024 being a real test for the players, our recruiters and us fans - yet we have probably given ourselves the best chance with our trades, FA and drafting so far.

    Im curious as to whether we may split or use our future first round pick 22ish (which may end up more like a 26/27 in 2024) and or use our picks remaining 59,70,71 to get back into this draft tonight???

    ie it is unlikely we would go after a KPD with our first pick 12ish next season...........so if we can make something happen this draft for a young developing KPD in the pick 30-40 range it makes sense? Especially while we have some cover in depth for 2024/25 to let them build up and be ready for 25/26 onwards?

    Or are we bullish on a serious inside mid that we feel can over time develop ie a Kane McAuliffe ? He has the power, speed, leep and raking kick.........but maybe not the decision making and or endurance just yet? looks equally a good prospect at HBF as well as inside mid at 187cm and 88kg. a Jordan Dawson or Rampe type project as he is very strong and powerful for his age. Dawso was only 188cm in his draft year. Same for Rampe. McAuliffe also plays tall with longer arms and a big leap (top5 in the combine).

    I am super curious as to what happened when our trade of picks popped up last night but didnt execute or it did????

    Either way clever we pushed a pick into next season via Stephens. Left it off the table for Cleary to use our 45/55 to match Pies and then maybe bring back again or leave for next year?

    I mean Cleary for a pick 24 and only using 45/55 this draft to acquire him could be a steal based on his form to date and dominance on the field.

    PS Hawks fans melting a little after their first pick...............bit funny i thought vs going after Curtin or the Colonel !!!
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    Do we realise that every time we use the term 'compromised draft', we are using a term that has been weaponised against us and the Academy system? Yes the free agency compo picks may be questioned, but the old VFL clubs will continue to attack academies given the Suns' haul last night.

    Using terms like 'compromised draft' helps to reinforce the this, and undermine the sterling work we are doing to provide AFL pathways for young talent that likely wouldn't stay in the sport in NSW and Qld.

    Food for thought anyway...

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    Buggered if I know AG - all these trade gymnastics are too much for my poor brain to handle.
    Loose translation from the Latin is - I am tall, so I hit out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck'n'Roll View Post
    True enough, but the question most have is - Do we have sufficient height there?
    Definitely, plus (have others have noted) its age. And the fact that the lad we invested four years of development into to fill the need has just been delisted.

    Given trade period plays for Barass, Himmelberg etc, we're clearly comfortable to trade for part of the solution, but drafting surely has to be another piece of the puzzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono2707 View Post
    Do we realise that every time we use the term 'compromised draft', we are using a term that has been weaponised against us and the Academy system? Yes the free agency compo picks may be questioned, but the old VFL clubs will continue to attack academies given the Suns' haul last night.

    Using terms like 'compromised draft' helps to reinforce the this, and undermine the sterling work we are doing to provide AFL pathways for young talent that likely wouldn't stay in the sport in NSW and Qld.

    Food for thought anyway...
    Heard Andy Mahr on SEN yesterday having a bit of a whinge about GC's 4 x Academy players this year.

    Stating "It is a competition and non northern clubs will feel disadvantaged, despite the NGA"

    Disappointed to hear that from him as he's normally fair minded. Overlooks it's not even playing field for teams in Rugby stronghold states. Academies are the main pathways to develop local talent, who may otherwise be lost to other competing sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSAS View Post
    Heard Andy Mahr on SEN yesterday having a bit of a whinge about GC's 4 x Academy players this year.

    Stating "It is a competition and non northern clubs will feel disadvantaged, despite the NGA"

    Disappointed to hear that from him as he's normally fair minded. Overlooks it's not even playing field for teams in Rugby stronghold states. Academies are the main pathways to develop local talent, who may otherwise be lost to other competing sports.
    Whinges about advantages non-Victorian teams receive should never be taken seriously while the Grand Final is played at a ground which is the home ground of a number of Victorian teams.

    I have no gripe about this year's GF. Collingwood finished the season on top of the ladder and, if any team had to have a home ground advantage, it should've been them.

    But in 2018, West Coast finished on top of the ladder and beat Collingwood in a lead up final but when the two clubs met again in the Grand Final, it was played on Collingwood's home ground!

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    Quote Originally Posted by giant View Post
    Definitely, plus (have others have noted) its age. And the fact that the lad we invested four years of development into to fill the need has just been delisted.
    Do you mean Gould?
    I don't think he was ever going to fulfill our need for a KPD - he was only 6ft3 and played short. I suspect the suggestion he would make a KPD was wishfull thinking by fans - rather than the clubs assessment. The club may have seen him as a Rampe replacement, but a Grundy replacement? No way.
    Loose translation from the Latin is - I am tall, so I hit out.

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    I won't link to the ABC blog from last night, as I suspect that it might bugger up the thread, but this is what their journalist, Dean Bilton, said about Cleary.

    "Cleary is another that I have rated more highly than the consensus. I think he will be a 200+ game player for Sydney.
    He's the engine of a midfield. The bloke who will do the dirty work to make his more flashy teammates shine. That's what he did for the Allies in the Championships win, and that's what he'll do for the Swans."

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