Rd 10 vs North Melbourne @ Marvel - Match Thread

[wolftone57]

I think our coaching is overly structured and rigid. We get good players then we want to change them to suit our mould. If that is the case why not draft players who are in that mould? Mind you I think we would be an even worse team because players in that mould played 10 years ago.

Our coaches need to be more flexible. They need to use the talent at their disposal not try to change the talent to something they want. Use their abilities and incorporate that I your game plan. You can't lose just by trying. Trying to mould thrm to a style of play that is over 10 years old is not working.

We changed our play style 2 years ago and now we are back to what was happening before. Rowie is not a tagger he is a ball winner. Let him win ball. Blakey is not a KPP get him out of there and winning ball and distributing. He is in the way anyway. Stop trying to be fancy and get back to basic footy. Hard at the ball, hard at the man, hard to tackle. See ball, get ball, win clear. Think? Think? Don't bloody think just do. It's not an effing exam, it's footy. It's a simple game, so keep it simple.

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[Blood Fever]

The wrap by Nathan Buckley says it all. Where are we? Injuries aside, we were smashed in the mids -20, less inside 50's, smashed in the HO, smashed in centre clearances (we only got 8 that is piss poor), beaten in tackles so they had more pressure on the player with ball, they had 10% more time in possession.

We were beaten in most pressure areas except contested possession, which we won by 5 which is neither here or there it is so close.

As to blaming inaccuracy for nearly losing. Will we continue to do that if we keep losing? Last year if we were inaccurate we would have so many shots it straightened up. We still may have scored as many points as goals but we kicked a winning score. OK we had a full contention of players. But even thrn we are incapable of kicking a difinitivewinning score. There seems to be a lack of desire or confidence in the group.

I am going to say this again. Losing becomes a habit. Psychologically, even a win like this is a loss because of the way we won. We are sitting right where we deserve to be. Will much improve with players coming back? Time will tell. Amartey will straighten us up a bit. But Buddy was on yesterday and we only managed 23 scoring shots.

14.9. One person says our inaccuracy hurt us early. OK. But to what do you put the rest of the match down to, especially the last quarter? Certainly not inaccuracy as we kicked 14.9. We have to stop finding excuses. Excuses are the purvey of weak minds. Find solutions not excuses. We are down on personnel find a way of using the personnel we have to scratch out a win. We play Blues next week. If thry flog is then we really are in a mess. The Blues are the most overrated team in the AFL. They have been extremely poor. Thry have even less room for excuse making than us. But we need to find a way. We need our players, like the lion in The Wizard of Oz, to find a heart. To dig deep. The coaches need to find the best way to go about winning with the personnel on hand. No more excuses Horse, solutions please.

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I was at the game and your talk of lack of desire is just not true. When i watched the replay, Leigh Montagna mentioned that we were ranked 2nd in the competition in terms of pressure. This is a fact. How many games have you seen live?

[dejavoodoo44]

Coaches votes:
10 Luke Parker (SYD)
7 Bailey Scott (NMFC)
7 Jy Simpkin (NMFC)
2 Lance Franklin (SYD)
2 Chad Warner (SYD)
1 Todd Goldstein (NMFC)
1 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)

Seems about right. I thought Parker was clearly BOG. Vaguely surprised that Goldstein got a vote.

[Blood Fever]

Coaches votes:
10 Luke Parker (SYD)
7 Bailey Scott (NMFC)
7 Jy Simpkin (NMFC)
2 Lance Franklin (SYD)
2 Chad Warner (SYD)
1 Todd Goldstein (NMFC)
1 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)

Seems about right. I thought Parker was clearly BOG. Vaguely surprised that Goldstein got a vote.

Fox stiff even if he butchered a couple of kicks in the last quarter.

[Nico]

I think Rowie is told to do that. His natural game is not that.

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That may so Wolfy, but that means we then have 2 on 3 to find the footy, because Rowy doesn't do a real good job because he's not looking where the footy is at.

[waswan]

Rowy is top 30 for Centre Bounce Attendances and 200th for Possessions at less than 16 a game...... And I dont think that is on him..... If he was ball chasing with those numbers, he should be in the 2s. This is the George Hewett Version 2 we didnt know we needed

[waswan]

Voss must be looking at our team and going
"we will put Longmire on Rowy, thats working well"

[Bexl]

Coaches votes:
10 Luke Parker (SYD)
7 Bailey Scott (NMFC)
7 Jy Simpkin (NMFC)
2 Lance Franklin (SYD)
2 Chad Warner (SYD)
1 Todd Goldstein (NMFC)
1 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)

Seems about right. I thought Parker was clearly BOG. Vaguely surprised that Goldstein got a vote.

Are you kidding. he dominated the taps and we were thrashed in clearance's as a result.

[stevoswan]

It would have been a lot more had all the indescretions and throws been counted. Do any AFL players even bother to handball now? The umpires give the occasional free for a throw and it baffles me why they pick those out when they let go the last 1,000.

Absolutely. There's so much scope and opportunity in our game for 'result manipulation'.

[Bexl]

[QUOTE=. We butchered the ball a couple of times .[/QUOTE]

only a couple?

[stevoswan]

I think our coaching is overly structured and rigid. We get good players then we want to change them to suit our mould. If that is the case why not draft players who are in that mould? Mind you I think we would be an even worse team because players in that mould played 10 years ago.

Our coaches need to be more flexible. They need to use the talent at their disposal not try to change the talent to something they want. Use their abilities and incorporate that I your game plan. You can't lose just by trying. Trying to mould thrm to a style of play that is over 10 years old is not working.

We changed our play style 2 years ago and now we are back to what was happening before. Rowie is not a tagger he is a ball winner. Let him win ball. Blakey is not a KPP get him out of there and winning ball and distributing. He is in the way anyway. Stop trying to be fancy and get back to basic footy. Hard at the ball, hard at the man, hard to tackle. See ball, get ball, win clear. Think? Think? Don't bloody think just do. It's not an effing exam, it's footy. It's a simple game, so keep it simple.

We do seem very one dimensional....is Don Pyke not influencing our game plans anymore? I also agree with those who say Horse seems to not often have a Plan B but I would have thought Pyke could have had more influence in this area, as it seemed to be his arrival that changed the way we played two years ago.

[Ludwig]

At least part of the problem is that the coaches seem to have so little faith in the defensive unit that they are throwing extra numbers back there. It's not working. I doubt it ever works, unless it's a single player who is excellent at reading the play and taking a mark. More little blokes just means that none of them thinks they have responsibility for guarding opponents. They just stand and do nothing. And I suspect they get in each other's way when we're trying to move the ball out of our defence.

Meanwhile, we are outnumbered at contests further up the ground, which is part of the reason we are losing clearances. (Not centre clearances, obviously. This doesn't apply there.)

Regardless of personnel, I reckon they need to back in whoever is available to do their best, and keep the numbers in the middle of the ground better stocked.

Great analysis of our situation down back. I hope we go with your suggestion next match.