Chamber of Horros (RWO gets a mention!)

[Jeffers1984]

http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18874782-5001023,00.html

"Roos might be happy with Chambers' progress but the former Melton South country Victoria junior is yet to endear himself with most Swans fans.

On unofficial Swans website redandwhiteonline.com, Chambers has drawn plenty of discussion with the majority of if less than flattering for both the player and club."


LOL.

[hammo]

The first paragraph says it all!

[liz]

The picture says it all. Not sure how he's going to get a tapout if his hands are poised to spar instead.

[BarneyG]

Chambers will eventually become a great asset for the swans, unlike the injury prone Doyle.

[NMWBloods]

I can't imagine Chambers ever being "a great asset".

RWO also had a mention on MMM when they were saying that Mathews was getting bagged.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by liz
The picture says it all. Not sure how he's going to get a tapout if his hands are poised to spar instead. LOL, that was my first thought too.


Maybe we should start a thread bagging Morrisey, see if we get a mention then, coz he has never endeared himself to us.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by ScottH

Maybe we should start a thread bagging Morrisey, see if we get a mention then, coz he has never endeared himself to us. Well.....;)

[arht]

The Roos message sounds very much like the LRT approach ... "he is doing what we want him to do at this stage ... the only way he will learn is for us to give him game time" ie. be patient, we know what we are doing. I actually thought his output against Carlton was reasonable - he showed a bit more than in previous weeks ... was a bit harder at the ball.

So what does this mean for us ... three years of "Torture Chambers" discussions along the same lines as the old "LRT is crap" threads. Given Roos' commitment, there looks like there is a lot of pain to come.

[Matt79]

Originally posted by ScottH
LOL, that was my first thought too.


Maybe we should start a thread bagging Morrisey, see if we get a mention then, coz he has never endeared himself to us.

Half started here many ions ago!!

http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=102146#post102146

[Matt79]

Originally posted by arht
The Roos message sounds very much like the LRT approach ... "he is doing what we want him to do at this stage ... the only way he will learn is for us to give him game time" ie. be patient, we know what we are doing. I actually thought his output against Carlton was reasonable - he showed a bit more than in previous weeks ... was a bit harder at the ball.

So what does this mean for us ... three years of "Torture Chambers" discussions along the same lines as the old "LRT is crap" threads. Given Roos' commitment, there looks like there is a lot of pain to come.

Odd comment. How can you criticise Roos for his development of LRT when he has developed into one of our key players and was one of the best on ground in our PREMIERSHIP win last year. He has developed very nicely as I am sure many will agree!

[Damien]

Originally posted by Matt79
Odd comment. How can you criticise Roos for his development of LRT when he has developed into one of our key players and was one of the best on ground in our PREMIERSHIP win last year. He has developed very nicely as I am sure many will agree!

He wasn't bagging Roos out - just saying that if the same development path as LRT is taken by Chambers there is going to be pain attached to that development.....

[Matt79]

Originally posted by Damien
He wasn't bagging Roos out - just saying that if the same development path as LRT is taken by Chambers there is going to be pain attached to that development.....

Yes I know, but my point was that this 'pain' with LRT lead to a premiership.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Matt79
Yes I know, but my point was that this 'pain' with LRT lead to a premiership. I don't think that lead to a premiership.

[arht]

Originally posted by Matt79
Odd comment. How can you criticise Roos for his development of LRT when he has developed into one of our key players and was one of the best on ground in our PREMIERSHIP win last year. He has developed very nicely as I am sure many will agree!

Matt - I don't see where I criticised Roos? I am all for it - there is no way he is going to get any better playing in the ACT, he needs to be playing in the 1's if he is to develop. He is a project, but rather than developing in the osbscurity of the ACT, we get to suffer his ups and downs every week - it will be painful ... just like LRT's development was.

[msb]

Roosy is right though.....it doesnt really matter if chambers isnt getting kicks, handballs etc. its the effective hitouts that count and his ruck work wasnt that bad against carlton. Maybe judge him at the end of the year only 3 games in.

[Matt79]

Originally posted by arht
Matt - I don't see where I criticised Roos? I am all for it - there is no way he is going to get any better playing in the ACT, he needs to be playing in the 1's if he is to develop. He is a project, but rather than developing in the osbscurity of the ACT, we get to suffer his ups and downs every week - it will be painful ... just like LRT's development was.

Yeah, I see your point mate. I thought you meant "we" as a team suffering pain for playing LRT. My response to that was the pain lead to a premiership. I take your point mate!

[Matt79]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I don't think that lead to a premiership.

Many people bagged him and the likes of Buchanan out but hey, they amongst 20 others out on the field on Sep 24th 2005 won a premiership.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Matt79
Many people bagged him and the likes of Buchanan out but hey, they amongst 20 others out on the field on Sep 24th 2005 won a premiership. Maybe so, but I wouldn't place too much emphasis on LRT's part in that.

[MrRed]

Quick edit the post, clean the forum up from negativity.. the tele is here and we don't want them thinking RWO is a negative place..quick take your medication people.

[NMWBloods]

Is it possible that you're so fixated that you can't see the wood for the trees?

[SimonH]

Call me kuh-razy, but people seem to be getting overexcited.

At the time Chambers was drafted, we weren't sure if he was 2nd or 3rd in queue among our ruckmen. Well, now we know. Doyle in mediocre form is clearly better than Chambers. So Chambers is just a backup ruckman employed while our 2nd ruckman is out injured; and (inshallah) that 2nd ruckman will be back in a couple of weeks.

As every other team with injured big men knows-- your best ain't available, you scrounge around and use what you can to stay competitive. Trying to suddenly make LRT into a ruckman now that he's got the hang of CHB, would be insane; and there is good reason for the club's reluctance to play Goodes as a specialist ruck. So Chambers it is. And Roos is half-right, in the sense that if he provides a contest at the centre bounces and ball-ups around the ground (and does absolutely nothing else apart from denying his direct opponent free possessions), that's the best realistic result we could expect.

On current form, he was unlikely to be worth pick 35, but there's nothing we can do about that now, and on the 'give big men time' principle he'll probably have a couple of years to prove us wrong. Whether he'll improve if playing in Canberra is his problem: he currently ain't in our best 22 players if all are fit; nor is he young or potential-filled enough to get selected as a 'project player'.

I can't imagine that Sydney would even consider playing 3 ruckmen once Doyle is fit. So it's only if he gets selected over a fit Doyle, that I'll start worrying.

(Whether Doyle is too injury-prone to have a long-term future, and how fast Ericksen and Shaw will come on, are issues to be resolved by the end of 2006 or later; they're not week-by-week selection issues.)

[katie-scarlett]

wow, that post actually made sense.. danke Simon!

[Bas]

Originally posted by BarneyG
Chambers will eventually become a great asset for the swans, unlike the injury prone Doyle.

I'm sure he'll be hanging around for a long time!

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Had an interesting conversation with a fellow a few days ago who presented himself as being an official part (albeit minor) of the club . . .
According to him Chambers has been a disappointment, Doyle is a crock, Goodes drops his head too much to go into the ruck, and when I asked about Young Earl he claimed that Ted Richards is being prepared as a relieving ruckman!
Now I must admit to having considerable doubt about the fellow,
some of his comments seem unlikely and his tone reminded me more of RWO than Roosy . . . . . however we shall see what unfolds.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

In further news Inside Football reviews the games and gives a brief desciption of each players game. Paul Chambers game description was quite short, it simply said ?Worrying?

[Go Swannies]

"Worrying". Wouldn't that have been the same description given for Buchanan this time last year?

[Schneiderman]

For all the carry-on about Torture, the scenario the Bulldogs face ATM might bring us all a bit of a reality check.

Rocket has lost the use of his number 1 ruckman in Darcy for the season, has lost his number 2 in Minson for a number of weeks, and his 3rd/4th in line in Morgan for even longer. Add to that that his new recruits in Williams and Walsh are out for the season, and he is left with his project player in Skipper and the unco Peter Street to carry the burden. Yet they are 3-0 and full of confidence.

This team was never built on talent, and we have carried a large portion of the team on will and perseverance alone. Players like Bevan, LRT, Mathews and even Kirk have had the opportunity to shine despite questionable skills, and there is no reason not to give Torture a run using the same principle.

I maintain that he needs to be given his 40-45min of ground time in at least 50-60% of the games this year, then a fair pre-season, and another shot next year before he can be properly assessed. At his age and his role, he really has time on his side despite some of the knee-jerk reactions of some fans on this site.

[goswannie14]

My spin on this is that if all of the "experts" on here actually knew what they were talking about Roos would have them on staff. We are all entitled to an opinion, but we are meant to support our team and be above some of the other feral supporters in the league.

How long will it take before I am tarred and feathered by the experts?

[elroy67]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
This team was never built on talent, and we have carried a large portion of the team on will and perseverance alone. Players like Bevan, LRT, Mathews and even Kirk have had the opportunity to shine despite questionable skills, and there is no reason not to give Torture a run using the same principle.

AGREE!!

You would think that as a group of supporters that had to wait 72 years for a flag, we would have more patience than 3 games!!

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
I maintain that he needs to be given his 40-45min of ground time in at least 50-60% of the games this year, then a fair pre-season, and another shot next year before he can be properly assessed. At his age and his role, he really has time on his side despite some of the knee-jerk reactions of some fans on this site.

I think the main reason he has copped so much is that he wasn't just drafted - he had a few seasons of senior experience and we traded for him - you would think we would be getting a little more out of a player with senior experience that we traded for.

[CureTheSane]

I remember seeing the worst ever game played by any footballer ever.

It was Matthew Primus against the Hawks at Waverly.

He was horriffic.
I litterally laughed and laughed.

After that, I can POTENTIALLY see a very bright future for Chambers.

[The Big Cat]

Yeah, you're right about Primus. I thought the same about the Golden Staf when he played his first few games and couldn't understand how we could play him ahead of Gavin Rose. But within a year he would have have been the most skillful big man in the game. (He would be really handy now). But the comment about Chambers being at Geelong for a few years is a good one. He seemed to have quite a few opportunities there, but I guess big men take time. In my younger days, South had a ruckman called Fred Way, and he played for Victoria in spite of the fact he virtually never took a mark or got many kicks. He was just a tap ruckman. Maybe that's where torture's future is. If he can clear the centre in our favour then he'll be worth every draft position we payed for him.

[ugg]

Thought he was much better today, especially in the latter part of the third quarter. He actually picked up not 1, but 2 kicks! Got his hands on the ball quite a few times and I really hope he keeps improving since Doyle is now gone.

[giant]

agree - even if his tapping work was better today. Still got smashed by White tho & it didn't help that their second string ruckman kicked 2 goals.

[Ryan Bomford]

I thought Torture's rucking in the second half was very good. He seemed to be rucking best when we made that surge late in the 3rd Q.

[ScottH]

His highlights;

A good uncontested mark in the D50.

Crunching Johnson.

Centre bounce tap straight to White. (that was brilliant)

Beating White at ruck contests around the ground, regularly.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Paul Chambers is taking over from LRT as the new 'cult' hero behind the goals. There were raucous cries of excitement when he had his possessions today. Had we kicked a Sausage today,several of us would have had heart palpitations such was the excitement his undisputable footballing prowess & overall excellence.

A song started up that caught on

"Paul Chambers, whoah
Paul Chambers,whoah
He's come up from Geelong,
the man can do no wrong!"

JF

[punter257]

i liked cometti's call on chambers

"chambers doing his best to rival polly farmer"

:D

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by punter257
i liked cometti's call on chambers

"chambers doing his best to rival polly farmer"

:D I thought Dennis said he was channelling Polly Farmer. Dennis's call off the day was when one of the Swans made a clanger. Dennis: "He had two options and took the third"

[punter257]

mmmm it was challenge i think

i was shocked to see the chambers do alright in the 2nd half
maybe there is some hope........