Defending or winning a title?

[hammo]

It's bizarre the @@@@ they come up with sometimes.

source (http://sydneyswans.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=297568)

"We are not defending a title; we are trying to win a title. What's happened has happened and we are trying to win a new title.

[573v30]

We won the flag last year, of course we're defending the title...

[ScottH]

2005 AFL Premiers.

2006 AFL Premiers,

Different titles. Thus winning a new title.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by ScottH
2005 AFL Premiers.

2006 AFL Premiers,

Different titles. Thus winning a new title.

Nice try but sadly 0/10.

[AnnieH]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Nice try but sadly 0/10.

I agree with ScottH. Different team. Different year. Different circumstances. Different title.

Considering that for the last three years Roosey has been saying "let's just take it one week at a time", saying now that we are "winning another title" (IMO) sort of puts it in the same category as taking it "one week at a time". The way I'm reading it, saying we're "defending our title" (in this context) is a little arrogant .... and Roosey's never (well, hardly never) been arrogant!!:D

Every game is very different from the last. Gorge on as many past stats as you want ... they mean jack when you're lining up for "next weeks' game".

:D

[Sanecow]

I understand that there may well be subtle psychological differences in approaching an attempt to win a title vs attempting to defend one but they are defending the AFL Premiership whether they like it or not. Keep the mind games in-house.

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by Sanecow
I understand that there may well be subtle psychological differences in approaching an attempt to win a title vs attempting to defend one but they are defending the AFL Premiership whether they like it or not. Keep the mind games in-house.

LOL. That coming from someone who actually took offense to a pretty irrelevant comment.

[ROK Lobster]

So does that mean we are still "the hunted"?

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by Schneiderman
LOL. That coming from someone who actually took offense to a pretty irrelevant comment.

:confused:

[alison.z]

defend/win - i'm happy with both

[hammo]

If we are defending premiers we must be defending something?

[swantastic]

Originally posted by hammo
If we are defending premiers we must be defending something? Isn't it the reigning PREMIERS.IMO we are here trying to win a premiership,not defend a prem its 2006 not 2005 therefore a new title.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by hammo
If we are defending premiers we must be defending something? and trying to win a new title as well. I see both together as relevant.

[is2SWaNz]

Defending or not, it's different. You can't defend the flag every year, it's just winning another flag and claim the title for that year.

Every year is different, and every year only comes once, which means you can only claim it once and it's gone forever. 2006 will cease to exist, and we're in a great position to claim the 2006 title, not defending the 2005 flag. That was last year, it's gone.

[Carolyn]

We're doing both. We're defending the title by winning it.

[Sanecow]

Hall obviously is hopeful the Swans can go back-to-back this season, even though last week's defeat by Geelong at Skilled Stadium could cost them a double chance.

"Regardless of last week, I think we are in a good position," he insisted. "I know results have to go our way and we have to win our last two games, but we are up-beat and keen for a crack at defending the title."

Source (http://sydneyswans.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=292196)

[swantastic]

Cant be to over confident.;)

[Young Blood]

Yep, we're trying to win something new, not defend something we already have (unlike for example, a golfer or tennis player who needs to achieve a certain result to "defend" their #1 ranking).

You don't have to defend something that you can't lose! :D

[goswannie14]

Whislt we are trying to win the 2006 title, we are defending the title of "reigning premiers", the same but different.:confused:

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Source (http://sydneyswans.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=292196) And I think that we could find any numbner of others

[timthefish]

next year, we will still be the 2005 premiers. hopefully we will ALSO be the 2006 premiers. we would then have two recent premierships - not one.

we keep the cup, the medallions and the title - it's not boxing where we hand over some stupid belt.

[The Boot]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
So does that mean we are still "the hunted"?
rok, MOL is the "hunted". Last week Hunter was the ... err .. well .. Hunter!!
:D

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by timthefish
next year, we will still be the 2005 premiers. hopefully we will ALSO be the 2006 premiers. we would then have two recent premierships - not one.


So every club except Freo are Premiers then. Uh huh.

[australian_made]

Gee what an exciting thread!

So if we dont defend this premiership does that mean we lose it? :confused:

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Nice try but sadly 0/10. No one can take the 2005 Premiership off us. So why do we have to defend it?

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Sanecow
So every club except Freo are Premiers then. Uh huh. But only one is reigning.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by ScottH
No one can take the 2005 Premiership off us. So why do we have to defend it?

Nobody can take your Olympic medal or World Championship medal either, but you defend your title of Olympic or World Champion. Stupid argument.

[Big Al]

If we get to the GF and win it, I won't give a toss what you call it.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Nobody can take your Olympic medal or World Championship medal either, but you defend your title of Olympic or World Champion. Stupid argument. Made you bite though!

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by ScottH
Made you bite though!

Woof!

[The Undertaker]

Originally posted by swantastic
Isn't it the reigning PREMIERS.IMO we are here trying to win a premiership,not defend a prem its 2006 not 2005 therefore a new title.

I agree.

[Xie Shan]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Woof!

Cows go 'woof'? :confused:

[Damien]

:confused:

Clearly defending our premiership and the right to be called Premiers again.

We simply become a former premiersip side if we lose this week or the following week. So surely we are defending our premiership? because we want the club to continue being the premiers? We are defending the status we have held all year.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by Xie Shan
Cows go 'woof'? :confused: Yeah, don't you ever watch "Playschool"?;)

[timthefish]

so no-one won the 2002 and 2003 premierships? i wonder if the cups are available on ebay?
i think there are two ways you can look at it - 1. you win individual premierships and 2. you defend your status as reigning premiers.
these aren't mutually exclusive and if the team wants to focus on the former so as to reduce the anxiety and presure of expectation then good on them. the way it's phrased, now that i re-read it, does sound a little forced and cheesy, but it sounds like a classic psychological strategy and i hope it works.

[ROK Lobster]

I want someone to come out and say that we are taking it one premiership at a time.

[ScottH]

Originally posted by goswannie14
Yeah, don't you ever watch "Playschool"?;) Cows go bong, there.

[swantastic]

Ross Lyon assistant coach said...
"We are not defending a title; we are trying to win a title

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by swantastic
Ross Lyon assistant coach said... You idiot.

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by ScottH
Cows go bong, there. That explains a lot then!;)