Swans vs Dogs: In-game hobnob (aka the game day thread)

[ugg]

Bevan in for Bradshaw

Dogs have a late change too
Eagleton in for Griffen

Hanners, Jesse, Marty and Jetstar starting on our bench

[satchmopugdog]

So nervous I feel sick. Don't think we have a snowball's chance in hell of winning but always get nervous.

[Donners]

Bevan and Playfair in? AAAAAAAAAAARGH! We're doomed!

[Jeffers1984]

Grumble Grumble.

Jetta, Rohan and Hannebery to star in a 20 point win to the Swans!

Grumble Grumble.

[Matty10]

Jetta, Rohan and Hannebery to star in a 20 point win to the Swans!

Alright I'm on board - stuff the Doggies - let's go Swanners!

[Peace]

im always on board! jetta is going to kick a goal today god damnit!

[kangle4]

white starting on the bench could mean he is 2nd ruck, playfair must be starting up front.

[satchmopugdog]

That bloody pink boat is taking a long time to finish so we may not get the first bit of the telecast......so what she sailed all the way around the world....whatever!!!!!!!

[kangle4]

should still be on one of the channels live, either 10 or one HD.

[ugg]

Hmm One HD did pay a lot of money as a sponsor.

[annew]

That bloody pink boat is taking a long time to finish so we may not get the first bit of the telecast......so what she sailed all the way around the world....whatever!!!!!!!

Yeah - who cares. We will have that stupid female commentator too.

[Trickster]

That bloody pink boat is taking a long time to finish so we may not get the first bit of the telecast......so what she sailed all the way around the world....whatever!!!!!!!

Who really cares about the bint in the boat. they had better plaay the whole game!!!

[Jeffers1984]

FFS if they don't cut the coverage on one and show the swans game i will go bezerk. It's on every other channel FFS!

[Primmy]

Oh dear, girl in boat will be in charge of the Swans/Dogs game.....she wins, unless someone at Ten comes to their senses......Don't wish to be churlish , and well done and all that, b ut I had planned to watch AFL FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!! There is all the sailing up the harbour to come, meeting the prime minister, etc, that's going to take hours....

[annew]

Oh dear, girl in boat will be in charge of the Swans/Dogs game.....she wins, unless someone at Ten comes to their senses......Don't wish to be churlish , and well done and all that, b ut I had planned to watch AFL FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!! There is all the sailing up the harbour to come, meeting the prime minister, etc, that's going to take hours....

Even if we only miss the first quarter - the game will be over!!!!

[ugg]

Even if we only miss the first quarter - the game will be over!!!!

I like the optimism!

[Bas]

Jetta to kick first goal in AFL hopefully.

Playfair to kick 6. Jesse 4.

Pyke to play starring role in the ruck.

Boxing Boofy Biffo and Peroxide Punce to kick 1 each.

These dreams....................

Can't someone tow the bloody boat over the line. She won already!!!

[Jeffers1984]

FUBAR absolutely FUBAR.

[Blue Sun]

This is ridiculous, melbourne only gets 7 free to air swans game this year. Looks like its only going to be 6.

Not happy Jan!

[Jeffers1984]

ok we're getting footy at 2:08 on channel 10 (SD)

[Swans500]

Paid my 6 bucks to Omnisport....watching a blank screen....getting very angry....

[Trickster]

Ten just announced they will play the game from 2.08

[annew]

Ring channel 10 now and complain: 02 9650 1010 - they will get sick of it.

[Bas]

Ch 10 to go to Swans at 2:08pm. Just announced. But you can watch Jessica Simpson on OneHD.

[Primmy]

9650 1010
This is the channel 10 number to ring up and complain. Every channel i9n sydney is aimed at the harbour.....

[stellation]

Ch 10 to go to Swans at 2:08pm. Just announced. But you can watch Jessica Simpson on OneHD.

Thanks for that :)

[Primmy]

Ch 10 to go to Swans at 2:08pm. Just announced. But you can watch Jessica Simpson on OneHD.

Taa, sanity prevails; there is so much mush going on I cannot cope, and its not just the water.....yes churlish, don't care, curmudgeon in residence.

[Blue Sun]

Just rang channel 10 melbourne then, they will show the game once the Jessica Watson homecoming is over.

Not sure what will happen on channel 10 Sydney.

[CureTheSane]

@@@@ing channel 10.
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@@@@
@@@@
7 weeks I've been waiting.
Not like we can't all watch this boat @@@@ on 7 or 9.

[Matty10]

That really sucks - I would rather they put the game on OneHD.

[Bas]

Leo Barry on the boundary for MMM. Can't make up his mind which boundary to call from though.

Pyke wins first tap.

Biffo gets 50.

[Jeffers1984]

Pure stupidity from LRT

[ShockOfHair]

That's a good start to the game...

[Swans500]

LRT the MONGREL!!!!

[Damien]

Don't C10 always show the Sat game at 3pm in Melbourne?

It's on live in Sydney now, LRT gave away a 50m penalty to Hally. Goal. Great start. ARGHH.

[Donners]

Identical passes at either end of the ground. Bolton drops ours, Hall takes his and kicks the goal.

[Trickster]

Go Jude!

[Damien]

Hanners!

[UglyDuckling]

yes, hanners!!!!!

[Jeffers1984]

Hanners!

[Trickster]

Jude!

[Damien]

What a goal! Go jude!

[Jeffers1984]

Judey! Great snap!!! Good start!

[UglyDuckling]

boltons on fire. who needs bradshaw. Early call Doggies look sluggish

[Damien]

Robbed of a free kick to Teddy, Bulldogs goal. 13 pts each.

[Trickster]

That doggy goal should not have been paid

[Damien]

LOVELY goal RED ROOSTER!

[Trickster]

Goal for the ginger

[Xie Shan]

Sounds like a great start!!

Studying for an exam, banned myself from the TV/internet coverage for today's game, not feeling great about our chances with depleted ruck/forward stocks... hope we can keep up this start!

[Jeffers1984]

Rohan!!! Great recovery!

[Matty10]

I'm at work at the moment (listening to MMM in Melbourne who are covering the Demons v Eagles match - can only get FM) - so any and all comments are appreciated - cheers!

[Damien]

Higgins Goal WB 21 SYD 20.

Had our chances to effect the turnover, but it ended up being a comedy of errors really. We are having a real dip though.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Stream of game?

[Damien]

Lake goal started from a Grundy mistake. Our small mistakes are costing us BIG time. 27-20

[tasswan]

We are turning the ball over far too often

[Blue Sun]

Is it just me or are the bullies getting a lot of frees close to goal?

[Bas]

Biffo's line break was sad.

Bevan doing outstanding role tackling.

Taidgh grabbing his knee was a worry. Fortunately OK.

O'Keefe having poor day with the boot.

[Trickster]

Nice mark for Playfair

[Bas]

How annoying is Lloyd and the female commentator.

[tasswan]

How annoying is Lloyd and the female commentator.

Very ordinary she seems to have no idea, bit like our defence at the mo

[annew]

How many so called illegal tackles have there been so far?? At this rate all our players will be suspended.

[tasswan]

Yeah the one on Jack? was identical to the one by Mummy however Jack stopped his head from touching the ground

[Trickster]

How annoying is Lloyd and the female commentator.

That nasal whine is giving me a headache

[Bas]

No forward line for Swans at the moment.

Luffy says Goodes only 1 kick and no marks to qtr time.

Kennelly has right knee strapped now.

[Damien]

Very ordinary she seems to have no idea, bit like our defence at the mo

Knowledge of the game doesn't bother me she does just as well as the blokes who have never played, just her voice, not a classic commentary voice in the slightest (that's being kind! ;)).

[Jeffers1984]

really struggling with our clearance work

[Damien]

Brilliant mark by Grundy and great pass to Bolton. Misses...

[Trickster]

Three behinds in a minute! @@@@

[Bas]

She is such a dill. Just said Bolton had 1.1.

Okeefe having a shocker.

[Damien]

O'Keefes kicking has been horrible this quarter.

[Bas]

Its Goodes and OKeefe playing somewhere other than Manuka.

[Jeffers1984]

murdered by the @@@@ing umps again.

[annew]

We have the book ends - Playfair & LRT - what chance do we have??

[Melbournehammer]

yes could someone please tell them both to do the easy things

[Damien]

We have the book ends - Playfair & LRT - what chance do we have??

Playfair needs to work a lot harder, but LRT has been damn good down back today so far. If our midfield and forward line can stop making awful basic mistakes, we would aleviate the pressure on our backline.

[Trickster]

@@@@ing Dumpires

[Jeffers1984]

you gotta be @@@@ing kidding me. @@@@ing ump @@@@s.

[Damien]

DISGRACEFUL DECISION AGAINST GOODES. :mad:

[Melbournehammer]

Its time to recogise that goodes is not capable of playing as a key forward - when key defenders play on him he does not beat them although i reckon that wasn't a free

[Trickster]

Dumpires may as well kick goals for the dogs

[Bas]

Bevan has been bog for Swans.

How was that not a mark to Goodes

Another goal and we're stuffed.

We're now stuffed. Hall gets 3rd.

[Melbournehammer]

yes five marks three goals. doing terrific.

[Blue Sun]

Too frustrating to watch, just gets me worked up.

I'll check back in half an hour......hopefully the scoreboard will look a little better.

[Melbournehammer]

Playfair needs to work a lot harder, but LRT has been damn good down back today so far. If our midfield and forward line can stop making awful basic mistakes, we would aleviate the pressure on our backline.

lrt is getting pumped

[DeadlyAkkuret]

We really need Bradshaw :(

[JudesaGun]

Play white forward!!!!!!!!!

[Damien]

lrt is getting pumped

Little too easy to say IMO, he is doing very well down there.

[Dalai Lama]

what isthe free kick count?

[Matty10]

I'll check back in half an hour......hopefully the scoreboard will look a little better.

That's what I was thinking - although with Rex Hunt calling it the "Barry Hall show in Canberra" every time they cross for the scores it makes it hard to ignore - never a good sign.

[Damien]

Great kick from Goodes to Kennedy please go through...

[Damien]

Lucky Lucky Lucky Goodes....Idiot to take on 3 players.

[Trickster]

Finally Goodesy!

[Damien]

Great goal though, back to 17 points the diff.

[Melbournehammer]

Little too easy to say IMO, he is doing very well down there.

ok tell me how many one on ones lrt has won...

i'm not saying its easy just he's getting well beaten

[Trickster]

Shut up LLoyd

[Dalai Lama]

Iced?

[Bas]

Two Swans knock themselves off the ball.

Another goal.

Can CH10 put Modern Family on now!

[IrishSwanPerth]

Living in Perth and the eagles game is in Foxtel and 2 other channels @@@@ing joke. How many TVs do you need to watch the one game

[Damien]

Another dogs goal. Back to 23pts

[Melbournehammer]

unbelievably pointless kick from goodes and mal just needed to go for theball

[IrishSwanPerth]

I bet you we are turing the ball over, like Sunday league players.

[tasswan]

the one thing I have noticed in the last 2 weeks is there are no link up players, everyone seems to be standing still. the first few games there was lots of linking up and moving quickly

[Jeffers1984]

Chamberlan you @@@@ing turd

[Trickster]

From the sound of the crowd the dumpires are about to be lynched

[CureTheSane]

Match committee 14/03/10: "why don't we ever try Jude in a key forward position?
Match committee 15/03/10 3pm: "oh yeah - that's why....."

[Melbournehammer]

i agree i think its a function of trailing and a reluctance to run off when the ball is turned over so badly

[Dalai Lama]

another belting on the cards?:o

[Damien]

Goal after the siren to Lake. Margin 29, we are inline for a thrashing today. Not looking good.

[gossipcom]

We're being outplayed so Bulldogs deserve that lead but that HTB against McVeigh was a shocking decision.

[Cant turn right]

!!!!!*&%$#@

[tasswan]

They are playing worse than last week

[ugg]

Thank you Razor Ray.

[Q...]

By my count that's 4 goals to the dogs from erroneous free kicks and 2 taken away from the swans.

[Bas]

I tipped Doggies by 46 and I now think I was being conservative.

Down by 29 points at half time, I can't see anyway that we can claw our way back. All the players out make us look a very second rate team.

Brace yourself for another loss and percentage hammering.

Hall to kick 7 or 8.

[ugg]

Match committee 14/03/10: "why don't we ever try Jude in a key forward position?
Match committee 15/03/10 3pm: "oh yeah - that's why....."
Don't understand this, probably our best forward at the moment.

[CureTheSane]

Umpires are killing us.
They have a vendetta against us.
They have secret meetings and decide to award frees against the Swans and to only pay frees to teh Swans when they are blatantly obvious.

Or maybe something else.
MAYBE the Swans are giving away free kicks?
Honestly, you'd think from reading RWO that the Swans play like angels and never infringe and that it's all vendetta stuff.
Maybe the Swans shoudl work on training NOT how to infringe so much.

[CureTheSane]

Don't understand this, probably our best forward at the moment.

I was of the understanding that a forward should be able to kick a goal from an easy set shot.
Let's be honest - Jude is an average kick in general and a shocking kick for goal.

[tasswan]

we are winning 0% contested football.

[Q...]

Umpires are killing us.
They have a vendetta against us.
They have secret meetings and decide to award frees against the Swans and to only pay frees to teh Swans when they are blatantly obvious.

Or maybe something else.
MAYBE the Swans are giving away free kicks?
Honestly, you'd think from reading RWO that the Swans play like angels and never infringe and that it's all vendetta stuff.
Maybe the Swans shoudl work on training NOT how to infringe so much.

They are giving away many stupid free kicks, but that doesn't mean that all that are payed against them are there.

[tasswan]

I agree but there is no consistency with the decisions

[annew]

We look flat and hopeless and as if we have given up. Think they went in knowing they couldn't win. How is it that BBH can kick goals in Canberra for Dogs but couldn't for us.

[IrishSwanPerth]

thank god its not on TV in WA. I knew after watching the last qtr against the lions that we havent improved. Simply not good enough, too many players not got what it takes. Listening to the radio last week and people calling in bagging the swans and saying they have played nobody bar the Saints. I guess we havent till last week. Why the @@@@ do we always do silly things and turn the ball over so easily.

[CureTheSane]

They are giving away many stupid free kicks, but that doesn't mean that all that are payed against them are there.

of course not.
They NEVER are.
All teams have decisions made against them that are wrong.
Talk to ANY fan and they all live the delusion taht the umpires have it in for them.
Mistakes get made, in the end they tend to balance out.

[UglyDuckling]

that was a horrible quarter of football. Continually turned it over. No target up forward. moved the ball too slowly. Only shining light was mcveigh trying really hard

[ugg]

I was of the understanding that a forward should be able to kick a goal from an easy set shot.
Let's be honest - Jude is an average kick in general and a shocking kick for goal.
It is but one aspect. He is presenting well and taking good strong marks, unlike any of the other forwards. Got to move Hanners/Jack into the middle and free up Malceski/Kennelly

[Damien]

They are giving away many stupid free kicks, but that doesn't mean that all that are payed against them are there.

I think it's been inconsistent, while you could probably pay ALL free kicks we have given away, there are multiple examples of the Dogs not giving away free kicks for same offences.

I'm getting too annoyed being on here and watching this. Need to calm down haha

[DeadlyAkkuret]

The Cats were looking average and we got them back into premiership form, now we're doing the same for the Bulldogs. Not even confident of top 8 anymore.

[swansrule100]

i feel like everything is going wrong, the free kicks are there and it doesnt change the fact we are outclassed but it seems they occur at the worst time.

After this great start to the season we look good come up to some chances to prove ourselves and get injuries and stupid suspensions and its just sucks.

Roosy must of built his house on an indian burial ground or something

[IrishSwanPerth]

I love Paul Roos but apart of me is happy he is going, we need to change our game plan. It doesnt work against, Collingwood, Dogs etc.. any team that plays with pace and puts you under pressure. Our players with poor ball skills turn over the ball too easily and are crap under pressure.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Roosy must of built his house on an indian burial ground or something

Now we know why he's selling it.

[swansrule100]

back to watching this @@@@ then

[Swans500]

Our structure bears no resemblance to what it was two weeks ago, ill luck on all levels....simple as that I feel. They have lost heart as a result....

[Q...]

of course not.
They NEVER are.
All teams have decisions made against them that are wrong.
Talk to ANY fan and they all live the delusion taht the umpires have it in for them.
Mistakes get made, in the end they tend to balance out.

You seem to have missed my other post. The tendency for them to balance out makes it a little more difficult when a six goal turn around has already occured.

[Matty10]

After this great start to the season we look good come up to some chances to prove ourselves and get injuries and stupid suspensions and its just sucks.

It really is deflating. Before the start of the season it was all about excitement - but then we did too well and it became all about expectation - like it had been before. Even if we lost, it was the expectation that we were going to have a real crack - I don't have that feeling now, and the excitement is beginning to fade. C'mon Swans - fire up!

[Bas]

Roos showing the boys a movie at half time. I think it was called: Massacre at Manuka Oval


Bevan wins BOG for the Swans.

Plays next week.

[Bas]

Now the football Gods are helping Hall.

Game over.

[Margie]

I love Paul Roos but apart of me is happy he is going, we need to change our game plan. It doesnt work against, Collingwood, Dogs etc.. any team that plays with pace and puts you under pressure. Our players with poor ball skills turn over the ball too easily and are crap under pressure.

I don't think Longmire will change the game plan, though.

It seems luck is against us with injuries etc and having Razor and McBurney as umpires in the same game.

It's hard to watch, that's for sure. We look like a shadow of a team at present - a bit like the Bulldogs looked recently against St Kilda.

I agree with an earlier poster who said we're not linking up. There is no flow, but having so many team changes doesn't help in that regard.

[liz]

How is it that BBH can kick goals in Canberra for Dogs but couldn't for us.
LOL. He kicked 6 there for us last season.

[CureTheSane]

I would suggest that a 6 goal turnaround caused by incorrect free kicks is fantasy

[gossipcom]

Oh we're linking up just linking up with Bulldogs players by handballing it over to them in their goal square.

[CureTheSane]

Kinda useless if he can't kick a goal.
What he needs is a ghost to receive the quick pass and have a shot.
agree he is presenting and marking well.

[annew]

It really is deflating. Before the start of the season it was all about excitement - but then we did too well and it became all about expectation - like it had been before. Even if we lost, it was the expectation that we were going to have a real crack - I don't have that feeling now, and the excitement is beginning to fade. C'mon Swans - fire up!

Yeah we don't even look like we are trying - same old same old - too fumbly, too slow and too hopeless

[Trickster]

That's the second time Shaw has kicked directly to the dogs

[Damien]

Goal to Goodes. Phew.

Just need a lot more lol

[Melbournehammer]

goodes has to play on the ball. period.

[CureTheSane]

Grundy/Mattner - who can tell the difference?

Obviously not the commentators.... :)

[Matty10]

goodes has to play on the ball. period.

I was thinking that he needed more time there last week - at the very least he is a big body who gets in the way of the opposition - at his best he is sublime.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Is White playing up forward?

[CureTheSane]

At least Roos is trying a few different things now, rather then sticking to the game plan as he used to....

[Melbournehammer]

just embarassing

[Dalai Lama]

Is White playing up forward?

Is he playing anywhere?

[Swans500]

No excuses for this pissweak stuff....

[robamiee]

only listening on radio as no telecast here in perth..wtf is goign on..are they trying, have they just given up..

[Trickster]

The death knell in the basckground...

[Melbournehammer]

it would be nice to have the real o'keefe back sometime

[Dalai Lama]

No excuses for this pissweak stuff....

Yes there are - Pyke, Richards, Snow White, Rhesus Monkey, LRT, and who ever is picking up Mr Potato Head!

[Damien]

Another goal to Hall after some stupidity and a free kick from Goodes.

[tasswan]

I think our so called depth is actually really shallow

[annew]

I don't know what's worse that stupid bell, the stupid female commentator or the bloody hopeless swans.

[Dalai Lama]

If Hank Playfair & Father Ted are the depth - we are buried....

[Melbournehammer]

I don't know what's worse that stupid bell, the stupid female commentator or the bloody hopeless swans.

you can turn the sound down...

[Trickster]

Lovely goal from Hanners

[ScottH]

Are we there yet?

[Matty10]

Are we there yet?

nice.

[Snake]

Playfair, Shaw & Smith, have gave there best.

The rest is ordinary at best.......

[Dalai Lama]

will we get close to dropping out of the eight?

[tasswan]

This is bottom 4 material

[Dalai Lama]

last week was bottom 4 - this maybe bottom 3?

[Melbournehammer]

Playfair, Shaw & Smith, have gave there best.

The rest is ordinary at best.......

hannebury, mcveigh also ok, mattner tried hard bolton ok but lots of players well beaten

[Damien]

Having our best forward, best backman, best two ruckman and a few others out is massive. Trying not to be to angry at this stage because we aren't talking about covering just any few players, we are covering key players and it's not easy.

I really would throw Currie in next week, he will have better general awareness than Pyke. Well worth the risk.

[tasswan]

This is now the 8th qtr in a row we have lost!

[UglyDuckling]

no sure about selection for todays match. Why would you put jessie white in the ruck with no bradshaw and leave rohan in the goal square against brian lake in his second game. jessie has done nothing in the ruck, playfair has done nothing up forward. Incorrect decision in selection

[swansrule100]

i know theres prolly some stats showing pykes hit outs are reasonable effective, but he is a complete and utter waste of space on a footy ground. Why not play currie? even if he gets smashed around like a rag doll at the ruck contest im sure he will actually get a few kicks.

Id even rather just put any old midget in at the bounce and concede the ruck taps than use pyke. Sure we wont a hit out but just chuck another midfielder there and get some stats.

[IrishSwanPerth]

lol you cant bet on the Dogs at 0.00 great odds haha. Swans $13 Im offering $50

[Q...]

This is bottom 4 material

While I think you're right, to be fair, take the best two rucks, the best two forwards and the best backman out of any team and I can't imagine that they will do particularly well.

[swansrule100]

hannebury, mcveigh also ok, mattner tried hard bolton ok but lots of players well beaten

id also say rohan has shown a bit, his work rate is great, hes too light to play basically as a key forward like he is today

[tasswan]

no sure about selection for todays match. Why would you put jessie white in the ruck with no bradshaw and leave rohan in the goal square against brian lake in his second game. jessie has done nothing in the ruck, playfair has done nothing up forward. Incorrect decision in selection

The seconds had a bye maybe should have played them and given the 1sts the day off

[Foreign Legion]

Well, today we have learnt that White can't cut it in the ruck. Pyke no good either but White must go back to the forward line. Currie has to come in if Bradshaw doesnt come back next week. We are far too short in the forward line.

How is it that we miss 5 shots in front of goal from under 35 metres - totally unacceptable for professional players!

Commentary on 10 has been pathetic, I don't know how many mistakes Huddo and Underwood have made - just rubbing salt into the wound really. Positives - hmm thats a hard one - I guess Hanners has shown he can play forward at a pinch. Other than that, bugger all.

[Jeffers1984]

Pyke our new Doughnut king.

[Matty10]

This really sucks. It is the birthday of my niece tomorrow (turning 5) and she is just starting to take an interest in football teams (and at this stage her team is the Swans, like her uncle - the rest of the family support the Bombers) so guess what her present is - a lovely new Swans guernsey!

A really hops she hasn't watched any of this game - or if she has that she just doesn't understand what is happening.

[Blue Sun]

Bullies far too good for our severely undermanned side.

Need to get those key players back in.

[UglyDuckling]

more of the same in the last quarter.
Im getting pretty sick of white going in for these lazy 1 armed tackles. Doesnt chase hard enough for mine.

[Trickster]

Come on Goodes-get our goal for this quarter

[robamiee]

is jetta playing in the midfield?

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Man are we a very ordinary team. Once again we are slaughtered on the big Manuka ground by an average Dogs teams. The much-vaunted depth we have is a myth. Without Bolton at the back our two ruckmen & Bradshaw at FF we have plodders like Henry Playfair back in the team. We are playing players out of position (Jude Bolton a player who can't kick properly on the forward line WTF?) & have very very little to offer up for. With us being so Bradshaw-centric Jessie White has totally lost his confidence as a forward. And he isn't a very good ruckman either.

How many passengers have we had today? And missing 5 easy shots in the 2nd quarter when we were still in the game is proof that some of the players taking these shots (Bevan Richards) shouldn't be down there in the first place.

And we play Freo next week. Oh joy!

JF (happy I'm not in Canberra & am sitting on my bed with 2 dogs on my lap)

[Dalai Lama]

more of the same in the last quarter.
Im getting pretty sick of white going in for these lazy 1 armed tackles. Doesnt chase hard enough for mine.

It might be too hard to use the other arm with all those tough stickers on?

[UglyDuckling]

It might be too hard to use the other arm with all those tough stickers on?

time from some lazer removal

[Southern Swan15]

I know Pyke is only playing cause of injury/ Suspension but he is not an AFL player. Our rucks would have lost against the Crows ruck today.

[robamiee]

JF (happy I'm not in Canberra & am sitting on my dog with 2 dogs on my lap)

i am sure your dog wouldn't be happy that your sitting on it with another 2 on your lap

[Damien]

I should give Kennedy a positive mention today. Love his footy smarts.

[Dalai Lama]

He has some ink work on his arm - and doing some "stink work" on the field?

[ernie koala]

It's been Roos of old today...conservative, supposedly risk free... with little imagination and no dare. Why he has stuck with White in the ruck is a mystery. White is a forward, he has shown that he thrives as the no. 1 target. I'd prefer Richards rucking, and that's saying something. The Playfair sellection as a leading forward was just woeful, he will never impact on a game, let alone win you one.
Speaking of woeful....the commentary....enough said.

[Q...]

Pyke wasn't holding the ball and it shouldn't have been fifty...

[Diamond Jim]

more of the same in the last quarter.
Im getting pretty sick of white going in for these lazy 1 armed tackles. Doesnt chase hard enough for mine.

Very true - the boy has an attitudinal issue - seems to think he deserves a kick.

Reality is, the midfield is getting killed - McVeys down again, Kirky's gone missing (worrying sign) Bolton is playing sore and Hannebury /Jack ar estill cutting their teeth. Even with Jolly back that midfield would struggle atm.

[JudesaGun]

Playfair is just as bad as Barlow. Goes to ground at every contest and easily pushed off by his man. No second efforts, poor kick and soft.

[Southern Swan15]

I thought Kelly Underwood was the worst commentator in the history of AFL, Than Matthew Llyod opend his mouth with his "expert commentary" Its a pity he retired and Campebell brown didn't get another crack at him.

[Damien]

Pyke wasn't holding the ball and it shouldn't have been fifty...

He took the tackler on, it was always going to be a free kick and you never hold the ball and argue with the umpire. Was a very fair decision.

[Bas]

It's hard to say we don't have depth when you have 6 players out of your team all at the one time.

[Trickster]

I thought Kelly Underwood was the worst commentator in the history of AFL, Than Matthew Llyod opend his mouth with his "expert commentary" Its a pity he retired and Campebell brown didn't get another crack at him.

I would be hard pressed to decide who I dislike more, mr dive or the brown/gold whiner

[ernie koala]

I thought Kelly Underwood was the worst commentator in the history of AFL, Than Matthew Llyod opend his mouth with his "expert commentary" Its a pity he retired and Campebell brown didn't get another crack at him.

Don't forget that little twirp Hudson for your trifector....it's the worst commentary team I've heard.

[Snake]

hannebury, mcveigh also ok, mattner tried hard bolton ok but lots of players well beaten

Do'h, good point!

[robamiee]

i noticed the bulldogs have had double the free kicks...warranted or have we been hard done by again.
Commentators on radio reckon we have had the rough end of the stick..

next week is crucial for us to remain in that top 4-6 hunt.....

missing those key players certainly cost us. you can cover 2-3, btu you cant cover 6-7 players..
i doubt most teams could. no excuses, but currie needs to have a crack ahead of pyke,

[Bas]

We're improving !!!!!

We only lost by 38 points this week.

[Swans500]

Did we actually win a quarter?....

[Damien]

Did we actually win a quarter?....

Yep won the last quarter. (Mainly due to the Bulldogs missing 7 shots)

[Diamond Jim]

Don't forget that little twirp Hudson for your trifector....it's the worst commentary team I've heard.

Try Kevin Bartlett......mind of a 5 year old.

[UglyDuckling]

Very true - the boy has an attitudinal issue - seems to think he deserves a kick.

Reality is, the midfield is getting killed - McVeys down again, Kirky's gone missing (worrying sign) Bolton is playing sore and Hannebury /Jack ar estill cutting their teeth. Even with Jolly back that midfield would struggle atm.

i though mcveigh tried really hard today without much help from the midfield around him.

I would agree about the midfield though Kirk and O'keefe have been quiet since the first quarter and a bit.

I would much prefer white up forward to at least provide a contest against lake to stop him continualy marking at and clearing, giving rohan et al at least a chance at ground level.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

Playfair is just as bad as Barlow. Goes to ground at every contest and easily pushed off by his man. No second efforts, poor kick and soft.


Couldn't agree more. A complete waste of a footballer. He will never make it as an AFL footballer any more.

JF

[Q...]

He took the tackler on, it was always going to be a free kick and you never hold the ball and argue with the umpire. Was a very fair decision.

Prior opportunity is still required, no free. I concede that you shouldn't argue with the umpire or you'll get a fifty.

[IrishSwanPerth]

I want this season to finish quickly, I get really anoyed when we play crap, why the f==k do we have so many turn overs, poor ball skills, average to poor players and our decision making is awful at times?? Just not good enough. What do they do on the training ground, must just run

[Diamond Jim]

i though mcveigh tried really hard today without much help from the midfield around him.

I would agree about the midfield though Kirk and O'keefe have been quiet since the first quarter and a bit.

I would much prefer white up forward to at least provide a contest against lake to stop him continualy marking at and clearing, giving rohan et al at least a chance at ground level.

Agree with all that - I think the issue is that the opposition know if they stop McVeigh, it's a coin toss whether Jack or Bolton will take up the slack.

I think O'Keefe's problem is he's trying to do too much.

[Margie]

I thought Kelly Underwood was the worst commentator in the history of AFL, Than Matthew Llyod opend his mouth with his "expert commentary" Its a pity he retired and Campebell brown didn't get another crack at him.

I turned the sound off. She (and Lloyd) are just painful to listen to.

[Cheer_Cheer]

Shut up LLoyd

How many times did he say "struggled" ?

[Q...]

For CTS and maybe Damien,

38 points the difference, first half 4 non free kicks = 4 dogs goals, 2 non free kicks = swans non shots at goal - full time, free kick tally: 20 to 13.

Not saying we didn't play @@@@, but did your claimed tendency occur?

[UglyDuckling]

Agree with all that - I think the issue is that the opposition know if they stop McVeigh, it's a coin toss whether Jack or Bolton will take up the slack.

I think O'Keefe's problem is he's trying to do too much.

I have a sneaky suspicion that O'Keefe is carrying an injury. he was in really really good form then a few weeks ago completely dropped off. Again today he was OK early then hardly touched it in the second half, to me that would indicate an injury that gets sorer as the game wears on.

[Swans500]

This is all bitterly disappointing ...after winning 5 in a row, good game against Saint Kilda...won most of the pre season matches for once. Was it all an abheration?

[Damien]

For CTS and maybe Damien,

38 points the difference, first half 4 non free kicks = 4 dogs goals, 2 non free kicks = swans non shots at goal - full time, free kick tally: 20 to 13.

Not saying we didn't play @@@@, but did your claimed tendency occur?

Not quite sure why directed at me lol I agreed with the Pyke descion, I didn't make any other claims on the overall umpiring lol

[Q...]

Although his sentences aren't as well formed as you might like, I still agree with Lloyd's appraisal of the situation: you can't have those particular players out and expect to set the world on fire. Just think about what is lost when you have to use Bolton as your primary target up forward for a half...

[Foreign Legion]

The only good things to come out of this game were that I thought Shaw was very good, Smith is unobtrusive but does a good defensive job and I guess Mattner was OK. All in the backline unfortunately.

Goodesy did well and at least he kicks 'em when in front. Very handy the 2's had a bye - NOT! No exposed form to put pressure on the rest.

Have to stick with Pyke for next week - but I reckon we'll do OK against Freo at SCG.

[Blue Sun]

This is all bitterly disappointing ...after winning 5 in a row, good game against Saint Kilda...won most of the pre season matches for once. Was it all an abheration?

We have pretty significant injuries, 6 key players.

[Damien]

We have pretty significant injuries, 6 key players.

Like i mentioned earlier, it is very rare that you lose your best backman, best forward, 2 best ruckman and a goal sneak. Our injuries have come at a horrible time, taking on Geelong then the Dogs with our injury toll is just plain unlucky.

[Swans500]

We have pretty significant injuries, 6 key players.

True...but we only look like getting 2 of the 6 back in the near future!

[swans_premiers]

We have pretty significant injuries, 6 key players.

We are missing our entire forward line...

Bradshaw...not there
White...Playing in ruck
Mycglyn....injured
Moore..Injured
Goodes there but also in midfield

We beat them in inside 50's just couldn't put it on the score board.


Had we had our proper structure of Bradshaw, White, Mcglynn, Moore, Goodes + a resting midfielder today would have been a different store.

[lwjoyner]

sure we missed all these players, but the selectors got it wrong. When it was obvious to most that Braddy wasnt going to play and a loss was inevitable they should have tried some of the youngsters Currie Ves etc instead of playfair bevan etc. The kids need game time playfair isnt going to ever give us anything.

[Schwatted]

The Swans seem to forget what play on is when they come up against opposition they think are good? too many missed kicks and lack of pressure on the ball handler...the 5 games we won in you'll notice that we actually played on and hit our targets, the past two weeks we have held up play at every chance and have turned the ball over each time.....what I'd give to see the play on swans each week...

[Legs Akimbo]

Finally got to watch a game on TV. Not sure that was a good or bad thing.

We lost this game on Thursday when they picked Henry Playfair ahead of 3-4 other guys who should have been selected.

There is no way we can win with Playfair, Richards, LRT, Pyke and Bevan all in thes same team. Of those five, I have time for LRT and Pyke and Richards gave us a few good years, but five basically unco footy players with dodgy disposal up against the against the Bulldogs machine ...

A few other observations

1. Roos needs to show some discipline and let White play in a position. Although he did not kick a lot of goals, he was good in the first 5 rounds and he worked well with Bradshaw and Goodes. He has never played well in the ruck and he has only played well in the forward line and best at FF. Pretty bloody obvious really. Bevan at full forward was simply ludicrous.

2. Jetta looks lost. Confidence? Rohan may be talented but he has probably realised in the last 2 weeks that he has a long road in front of him. They should persist.

3. Bevan and Playfair should have their cards stamped with the same one we hope has been used on Barlow. List cloggers.

4. On the other hand, I really like the look of Pyke - the pace of his development has been incredible. His tapwork is really good and I think he could be an effective fullback too.

Not much else to say really. Expected to lose and we lost. The fact that Henry is a top bloke is not enough. They should have played Curry.

[ugg]

Harsh on Bevan thought he had a solid game, more so in the first half. Not sure that bombing it long to him against guys like Brian Lake and Tom Williams was a smart game plan.

[Q...]

Not quite sure why directed at me lol I agreed with the Pyke descion, I didn't make any other claims on the overall umpiring lol

That's probably why. You'll note that I said "maybe Damien". ;)

[Swans500]

FFS...on SEN they are saying that Bradshaws' injury is more severe than being admitted?!

[Q...]

Harsh on Bevan thought he had a solid game, more so in the first half. Not sure that bombing it long to him against guys like Brian Lake and Tom Williams was a smart game plan.

I thought Bevan was a highlight...

[annew]

Like i mentioned earlier, it is very rare that you lose your best backman, best forward, 2 best ruckman and a goal sneak. Our injuries have come at a horrible time, taking on Geelong then the Dogs with our injury toll is just plain unlucky.

Oh well we get a chance to redeem at the end of the season if that is the case.

[Q...]

sure we missed all these players, but the selectors got it wrong. When it was obvious to most that Braddy wasnt going to play and a loss was inevitable they should have tried some of the youngsters Currie Ves etc instead of playfair bevan etc. The kids need game time playfair isnt going to ever give us anything.

Playfair's on the list. Obviously the powers that be made the decision that he may be able to provide something at some stage. The kids have time to show their wares, Playfair is obviously running out of time. If you start with your premises (which I happen to think are correct) then your conclusion should be that it was correct to put playfair in now.

[Damien]

FFS...on SEN they are saying that Bradshaws' injury is more severe than being admitted?!

Inside word at the time of his pre season surgery was that his knee would require care all year, so it wouldn't surpise me. Fingers crossed though.

[Q...]

The Swans seem to forget what play on is when they come up against opposition they think are good? too many missed kicks and lack of pressure on the ball handler...the 5 games we won in you'll notice that we actually played on and hit our targets, the past two weeks we have held up play at every chance and have turned the ball over each time.....what I'd give to see the play on swans each week...

Agreed. As much is possible though. It's easier to do with some teams. We did have the best disposal efficiency in the comp while we were going through that period...

[annew]

We are missing our entire forward line...

Bradshaw...not there
White...Playing in ruck
Mycglyn....injured
Moore..Injured
Goodes there but also in midfield

We beat them in inside 50's just couldn't put it on the score board.


Had we had our proper structure of Bradshaw, White, Mcglynn, Moore, Goodes + a resting midfielder today would have been a different store.

If you took Cloke, Medhurst, Jolly & Maxwell out of Collingwood or Mooney, Johnson, Ottens & Scarlett out of Geeling these teams would also be more vulnerable - look at St Kilda they are not as threatening and they only lost Riedwoldt. It is not just the players it is the whole structure.

[mcs]

Just back from the game and what a disappointing performance... imo worse than last week as the Dogs didn't have the class to really put us away late (And frankly had no need to). So many passengers today. The big worry was that for the 2nd week we were awful around the clearances, so incredibly slow and the dogs like Geelong had so much time to easily clear. They outworked, out tackled and out run us, as per the usual. Although we did improve in terms of getting it forward today, I still think we were easily outplayed and even with the amount of players out, I thought we were fairly comprehensively beaten.

There were some positives from today though. I thought Hanners did well again (He is going to be an absolute gun imo), Rohan again showed glimpses of what he can do, Pyke did some good tap work and we did keep up the effort all day.

So many negatives. Playfair needs to have his card stamped like Barlow.

As decent as Pyke could be around the ruck, if he can't learn to contribute around the ground, than he isn't worth the effort perservering with. The age of the Dinosaur Ruckman in the AFL is long long gone, and he just doesn't to me have the instinct needed to succeed at the moment.

Jesse did alright today, but he desperately needs to work harder on the second effort, as this is where he really is let down often.

Ryan O'Keefe imo is clearly carrying injury (I'd say at a guess somewhere in the Groin injury) had no legs to chase and was struggling to hang on to a mark and kick- lets hope we aren't playing him when we shouldn't be.

There was so much poor disposal and poor decision making today which was a real disappointment, especially after what had looked a real improvement early in the season. Might be due to the lack of personnel, but so many times we just did dumb things.

As for the Yellow Maggotts, nothing new. Just as we were building some momentum in the 2nd quarter they came up with that 12-pointer against Goodes. Absolutely killed our bit of a push and that was that. Not that they were anywhere near the deciding factor today, but there is so little consistency and its so frustrating to watch.

[Reggi]

SEN was right, our big guys Playfair, Pyke, Richards and White were useless and we were better off playing some ruck rover types.

Clearly we don't have the depth or fitness at the moment. We probably will get into the bottom part of the eight, but are a way off, hopefully we get Lewis Jetta, Lewis Johnston, Veszpremi & Meredith up before then end of the year

We really need to get Mumford & Seaby back. Playfair is just a list clogger

[Nico]

i noticed the bulldogs have had double the free kicks...warranted or have we been hard done by again.
Commentators on radio reckon we have had the rough end of the stick..

next week is crucial for us to remain in that top 4-6 hunt.....

missing those key players certainly cost us. you can cover 2-3, btu you cant cover 6-7 players..
i doubt most teams could. no excuses, but currie needs to have a crack ahead of pyke,

It's who you replace the injured players with. To bring in the likes of Richards (slow in all aspects of his game) Playfair (whew, slow, knocked off ball easily, wont move it on) Bevan (slow) really tells a story. 3 players who did not get to the fall of the ball. Pyke, for all that he tries, is just not up to it.

[mcs]

Agreed. As much is possible though. It's easier to do with some teams. We did have the best disposal efficiency in the comp while we were going through that period...
Certainly noticed this to. We weren't helped at least twice if not 3 times early on when we got free kicks and the umps stopped us from playing on or bought the play back.

I think in reality the biggest problem we have now is that when we have a fit and ready to go top 22, they are probably able to match it with most sides in the league. but when we have a few key players out, than there is absolutely no depth in those positions and we struggle.

[Nico]

Prior opportunity is still required, no free. I concede that you shouldn't argue with the umpire or you'll get a fifty.

The McVeigh decision where he was muscled backwards over the line with the player pinning him front on, with no prior opportunity, smacks of an umpire who has NFI.

[Nico]

I have a sneaky suspicion that O'Keefe is carrying an injury. he was in really really good form then a few weeks ago completely dropped off. Again today he was OK early then hardly touched it in the second half, to me that would indicate an injury that gets sorer as the game wears on.

Or still suffering for the slam tackled in the brisbane game that went unnoticed by the match review panel.

[giant]

They were too good and too strong as I expected them to be. And we were murdered by the umps (limping right now after kicking our sofa after that appalling decision vs Goodes that ended in a goal to the Dogs - crucial time of the game too when we'd dominated the forst 10 mins of the 2nd qr).

I guess we're learning that our depth isn't what we thought it was. Need some big strong bodies back in there.

[Q...]

Certainly noticed this to. We weren't helped at least twice if not 3 times early on when we got free kicks and the umps stopped us from playing on or bought the play back.

I think in reality the biggest problem we have now is that when we have a fit and ready to go top 22, they are probably able to match it with most sides in the league. but when we have a few key players out, than there is absolutely no depth in those positions and we struggle.

Agreed. Our biggest problem, as a team and supporters, is that we have lost players of that calibre as we move into the "month to prove we're not @@@@". We beat the teams down the botttom, but us beating them contributed to them being down the bottom...

[Yuri H]

Or still suffering for the slam tackled in the brisbane game that went unnoticed by the match review panel.

That's what I'm thinking. He got another whallop last week too; he might be a bit more concussed than they think.

[giant]

Ryan O'Keefe imo is clearly carrying injury (I'd say at a guess somewhere in the Groin injury) had no legs to chase and was struggling to hang on to a mark and kick- lets hope we aren't playing him when we shouldn't be.

Absolutely - his opponent has murdered us the last two weeks. Desperately needs a break, as he's giving us very little atm.

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

We are missing our entire forward line...

Bradshaw...not there
White...Playing in ruck
Mycglyn....injured
Moore..Injured
Goodes there but also in midfield

We beat them in inside 50's just couldn't put it on the score board.


Had we had our proper structure of Bradshaw, White, Mcglynn, Moore, Goodes + a resting midfielder today would have been a different store.

Plus we missed 5 shots in a row in the 2nd quarter when we were very much still in the game. Because players who were playing were only there because of the injuries.

JF

[Q...]

The McVeigh decision where he was muscled backwards over the line with the player pinning him front on, with no prior opportunity, smacks of an umpire who has NFI.

I agree. That one, that quickly led to another non free, was absolutely ridiculous.

[Nico]

Harsh on Bevan thought he had a solid game, more so in the first half. Not sure that bombing it long to him against guys like Brian Lake and Tom Williams was a smart game plan.

When we didn't kick it long we had no one making space or leading up with any space on their opponents. What's wrong with forwards playing in front. On a number of occasions we had 3 up in the forward line, ball drops front or back of the pack, and they take it away with ease with their players who stay down. In the first and last quarters we ran it long and reseonably quickly into the forward line. The middle quarters it was crap little kicks to players under the pump. We did a lot wrong today in the brain department.

I wonder if the 9 day versus 6 days between games had some influence.

[ROK Lobster]

Just back from the game. We were never in it, even when we were in it. They looked to do it so much easier the first quarter. At the first break I thought it could have been 100 points!

As much as we need him, LRT is still as crap as ever.

Good to see Hall finally getting some free kiks though :rolleyes:

[Nico]

They were too good and too strong as I expected them to be. And we were murdered by the umps (limping right now after kicking our sofa after that appalling decision vs Goodes that ended in a goal to the Dogs - crucial time of the game too when we'd dominated the forst 10 mins of the 2nd qr).

I guess we're learning that our depth isn't what we thought it was. Need some big strong bodies back in there.

All that wind about players taking dives at the start of the season being cited. It was a side on body contact by Goodes if anything, and Morris just threw his arms and body forward, and it was as the ball arrived.