The 2012 injury thread

[ShockOfHair]

Some news on Armstrong from the club site.

Theoretically he's our most important new recruit, having been brought in to replace Tadhg. But he's had an ITB (I have no idea either) and a quad and is only just now starting to kick the footy.

No date on when he'll be ready to play.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/129731/default.aspx

[Ruck'n'Roll]

ITB Thigh

[ShockOfHair]

Thanks RnR. My medical knowledge pretty much comes from Dem Bones.

[dimelb]

ThighReally? Not Inter Testicular Bruising? Or Inferior Tibial Bleeding? Ileum Totally Blocked? How sure are you?

[aardvark]

Really? Not Inter Testicular Bruising? Or Inferior Tibial Bleeding? Ileum Totally Blocked? How sure are you?


Ewww don't much like the sound of any of them. Thx to Wiki.......

ITBS is one of the leading causes of lateral knee pain in runners. The iliotibial band is a superficial thickening of tissue on the outside of the thigh, extending from the outside of the pelvis, over the hip and knee, and inserting just below the knee. The band is crucial to stabilizing the knee during running, moving from behind the femur to the front while walking. The continual rubbing of the band over the lateral femoral epicondyle, combined with the repeated flexion and extension of the knee during running may cause the area to become inflamed.

Hope that clears it up.

[ernie koala]

O'keefe out with a bruised knee...they're talking 3 to 6 weeks.
Let's hope it's the lesser.
Would love to see him play more on the half forward line this season.

[ShockOfHair]

Bad luck ROK.
At least the season is still three weeks away, and our second game is five weeks away, so plenty of time.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/129793/default.aspx

[Matimbo]

Really? Not Inter Testicular Bruising? Or Inferior Tibial Bleeding? Ileum Totally Blocked? How sure are you?

Inter Testicular Bruising ... the term Inter would seem indicate the cause being one of them banging against the other with some force. Possibly not an on-field injury?? I concur with you diagnosis, just for the fun of it.

:hmmm

[DLBIA14]

Bad luck ROK.
At least the season is still three weeks away, and our second game is five weeks away, so plenty of time.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/129793/default.aspx

True. It's certainly not as bad as it could be and we're likely to see the likes of Luke Parker spend more time in the middle, which can only be a good thing.

I think our injury list is okay at this stage, I'm only really worried about Tom Mitchell. Anybody have an idea on his injury and the amount of time his lay off is?

[GongSwan]

Well, that's about th4e last thing I needed to hear, ROK out, bone bruising, not good, let's hope it's not anpther playing injured season for him

[wolftone57]

Well, that's about th4e last thing I needed to hear, ROK out, bone bruising, not good, let's hope it's not anpther playing injured season for him

Why would we play Ryano injured. We have very good depth this year and any injured player should not be played until he can prove his fitness. I fail to see the benefit of playing injured players at any time, not to mention the danger of losing the player permanently. Playing injured players is a throw back to the bad old Eade days where Micky O played with one arm.

[ShockOfHair]

Alex Brown added to the long-term injury list this week. Mentioned in passing in this story: http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/130452/default.aspx

Anyone know why?

[GongSwan]

Why would we play Ryano injured. We have very good depth this year and any injured player should not be played until he can prove his fitness. I fail to see the benefit of playing injured players at any time, not to mention the danger of losing the player permanently. Playing injured players is a throw back to the bad old Eade days where Micky O played with one arm.

ROK played almost the entire 2010 season with groin issues that hampered him.

[erica]

Neil Cordy just tweeted: Sydney Swans ? Placed Alex Brown on the long-term injury list. Opens way for Harry Cunningham to be promoted from rookie list.

[nomae]

Neil Cordy just tweeted: Sydney Swans ? Placed Alex Brown on the long-term injury list. Opens way for Harry Cunningham to be promoted from rookie list.

Boom.

What's going on with Rohan???

[grarmy]

Cords should be skills coaching not tweeting! The team sorely misses the artistry and reliability of Neil Cordy. A wonderful footballer, incredible foot skills of a guy who could make the oval ball his own. His kicking was exquisite: pinpoint accuracy, wonderful foot to ball coordination, a ballerina's touch that made it all look so effortless and easy. We all wanted to play like Kelly, have the presence of Lockett, dexterity of Goodes. But oh boy, to kick the ball like Cords.

[wolftone57]

ROK, Rohan, Spang and Brown is that the injury list?

[swansrob]

ROK, Rohan, Spang and Brown is that the injury list?
Armstrong?

[ShockOfHair]

Cords should be skills coaching not tweeting!.

Given that the Alex Brown news has been on the club website and RWO for nine days, good advice!

[swansrob]

Given that the Alex Brown news has been on the club website and RWO for nine days, good advice!
Yeah, I was surprised to see that come up on Twitter only today (via RWO's own @alisonzell)

[alison.z]

Yeah definitely old news but I don't think I had tweeted it ... More the reference to upgrading Harry Cunningham although that hasn't been officially announced as far as I am aware

[swansrob]

Yeah definitely old news but I don't think I had tweeted it ... More the reference to upgrading Harry Cunningham although that hasn't been officially announced as far as I am aware
I meant that you retweeted Cordy.

[Plugger46]

Rohan tweeted that his ankle is fine.

[Big Al]

Twitter message from Neil Cordy

"Scans on Gary Rohans left ankle show a re tear of lateral ligament. Hurt against Suns on Saturday. Highly unlikely to play against Giants"

[swansprincess]

Swans TV injury update video says Gary a chance to play this week. Mentions Kruger and Mitchell back running and training, Alex Brown running and training is not far off. "O'Keefe should be back training next week." Spanger will be the longest recovery apparently.

[swansprincess]

*says Rohan is a good chance of training on thursday, whether or not that means he will play I suppose depends on how he pulls up if he does train.

[Peace]

Nothing but a strain then... Where on earth did torn ligaments come from??

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Nothing but a strain then... Where on earth did torn ligaments come from??
All "sprains" involve some tearing of the ligaments, even an innocuous rolled ankle.

[TheAgent]

I saw him yesterday at training, he was proppy but could walk ok unaided, he believes he will be ok to play,

http://cms.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/131119/default.aspx

[Peace]

All "sprains" involve some tearing of the ligaments, even an innocuous rolled ankle.

Even a strain??

I seriously rolled my ankle once messing round on a bike, was convinced I had torn ligaments because it hurt so much! Went to the hospital to get scans, doc said I was fine, no tearing at all just a lot of swelling.

[alison.z]

Pretty sure there is usually damage to ligaments when an ankle is rolled - the ligaments are stretched out of place by the movement which is why it swells etc. (have had a few ankle problems but not a doctor or anything so may be wrong)

The more serious sprains/strains normally involve some bone chipping off as the ligaments pull (It hurts, trust me!) - Don't think this is what happened to Rohan as he wouldn't haven't been able to bear weight on it at all ...

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Even a strain??
I seriously rolled my ankle once messing round on a bike, was convinced I had torn ligaments because it hurt so much! Went to the hospital to get scans, doc said I was fine, no tearing at all just a lot of swelling.

I think that might have been what is generally referred to as a little white lie :-)

[Peace]

Ok learning time everyone (including myself)


A sprain is an injury to a ligament, the tough, fibrous tissue that connects bones to other bone. Ligament injuries involve a stretching or a tearing of this tissue.

A strain is an injury to either a muscle or a tendon, the tissue that connects muscles to bones. Depending on the severity of the injury, a strain may be a simple overstretch of the muscle or tendon, or it can result in a partial or complete tear.

[aardvark]

Parker, who had to have his broken jaw wired during his junior career, will have scans today.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/james-mcdonald-bump-creates-headache-for-match-review-panel/story-e6frf9jf-1226309710394

[erica]

Tough midfielder Luke Parker will miss 2-3 weeks with a fractured jaw following his collision with James McDonald. Mike Pyke has damaged his posterior cruciate ligament, with medicos hopeful he may only miss a week of action. Full details at bit.ly (http://bit.ly/GS3tDX)

[ShockOfHair]

A glut of injury news.

The club version here (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/132202/default.aspx)

The Age version here (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-injury-list-20120403-1wavm.html)

Jordan Lockyer (knee) test

Ryan O'Keefe (knee) test

Rhyce Shaw (back) test

Tom Mitchell (knee) 2 wks

Luke Parker (jaw) 2-3 wks

Mike Pyke (knee) 2-4 wks

Eugene Kruger (knee) 3 wks

Matt Spangher (hamstring) 3 wks

Alex Brown (hip) 7 wks

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Mitchell is still two weeks away? I thought I saw him running and kicking about a week ago.

[kangle4]

"Luke Parker is likely to play in Sydney's AFL clash against Fremantle on Saturday, two weeks after breaking his jaw in a clash with Greater Western Sydney veteran James McDonald."

Cookies must be enabled | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/dad-helps-swan-luke-parker-prove-fitness/story-e6frf9jf-1226319848849)

[Nico]

Healy just said OTC that LRT is out for 3 weeks with a broken jaw.

[Dosser]

Healy just said OTC that LRT is out for 3 weeks with a broken jaw.

He needs to visit Parker's dad to fix it.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Apparently Mitchell has suffered another setback which will put him back a further 3 weeks. It's the knee tendinitis again. Anyone know much about this? Like is it degenerative, can it be operated on ? Etc etc. Seems to keep recurring after it seems to have passed, it has me a bit worried.

[swans]

Apparently Mitchell has suffered another setback which will put him back a further 3 weeks. It's the knee tendinitis again. Anyone know much about this? Like is it degenerative, can it be operated on ? Etc etc. Seems to keep recurring after it seems to have passed, it has me a bit worried.


Cameron said Mitchell will be assessed on a week-to-week basis. "Tom, who has been training for a couple of weeks and was due to play this week, last week his knee got sore again so he had to shelve our plans for this week," he said. "We'll know more next week as to how long it will be before he returns to play."

It looks like mitchell will not make it this half year if his knee will not improve. Do we know the real issue with tom knee and will it be a long term condition that needs to be fixed.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Thinking pessimistically:
Would this be another case of the curse of the Swans Father Son pick (John, Doyle, James)
or
Another just another case of the curse of the Swans First Round Pick?

[jono2707]

Thinking pessimistically:
Would this be another case of the curse of the Swans Father Son pick (John, Doyle, James)
or
Another just another case of the curse of the Swans First Round Pick?

That's very pessimistic - the kid is in his first season and his body was never going to be ready from day 1. I have seen him play (on tv last year) and he was an absolute standout in his age group - give him some time to get his knee right, and to build up a bit, and you'll see what has been getting people excited for a couple of years.....

[ShockOfHair]

Good news - the return of the Strut. Spang, Alex Brown and Mitchell back on the training track next week.

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/News/NewsArticle/tabid/7106/newsId/133355/Default.aspx

[ShockOfHair]

Medical mystery cleared up. Mumford's back problem was an infection from cortisone injection.


"It wasn't until last Friday that he came into training and was very sore in his back again, and it didn't make sense considering he had played well and then hadn't done much since.

"So the doctors got him scanned and found that infection, most likely from the cortisone injection.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/133864/default.aspx
He's got nearly a week to get better from the antibiotics.

LRT and Smith have returned to light training, will be monitored this week.

[tasswan]

On the Swans website says Mumford out for 3-4 weeks due to having to have an operation to remove infected area as it did not respond to antibiotics.

[ShockOfHair]

Watch out LRT. Spangher to play in the Reserves this week. Lockyer also set to return.

Mummo still some way off.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/135269/default.aspx

[GongSwan]

http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/contentid/449928/swanstv+injury+update+r8/default.aspx

Promising

[ShockOfHair]

AJ cleared to play against Bulldogs.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/137203/default.aspx

[ScottH]

AJ cleared to play against Bulldogs.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/137203/default.aspx

Good news.

[Margie]

Hopefully Mumford trains well this week and isn't too far away.

[Dogzbody]

Parker.... <sigh>

[ScottH]

Parker.... <sigh>

6-8 weeks.
Not good.

[ShockOfHair]

Parker had the op today, will be out 4-6 weeks.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/tabid/7106/default.aspx?newsid=137874

Matt Cameron also says Goodes "likely to return to training within a fortnight."

[ugg]

And we get explanations for Lockyer and Lamb but not Meredith who I've been told was spotted running laps at the SCG before the seniors game

[DeadlyAkkuret]

So Goodes still a month away, then.

[Kirkari]

So Goodes still a month away, then.

Not quite. I heard he was running all last week. I think rejoin training with the main group is what Matt Cameron meant.

[ShockOfHair]

Hanners good to go.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/tabid/7106/default.aspx?newsid=138382

Goodes is 'on track' - might be OK to play against Geelong but looks like it's too early to say.

[ugg]

Sigh no news on Spangher or Meredith

[ShockOfHair]

The bad news is Lockyer has done his other hamstring.

The good news is Rohan just had his first gym session.
http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/139655/default.aspx

No other injuries from the weekend.