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Cheer Squad
29th June 2012, 07:10 AM
Interesting article in today's SMH:

Goal-kicking yips a thing of the past for Swans (http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/goalkicking-yips-a-thing-of-the-past-for-swans-20120628-2159j.html)


Cameron said his device, GoalKicka Target, which uses a plastic bullseye hoisted in the middle between the two main goalposts, lessened the daunting psychological effect of shooting for a goal by focusing the player on hitting a target as they would with a general field kick.

Gee, what a surprise. Unlike last year, when they were aiming at a Coke can tied to the goalposts, they're now aiming at a target hoisted between the goalposts. Who would've thought that would improve their accuracy? :rolleyes:
erica
29th June 2012, 07:39 AM
Didn't we suggest that on RWO last year? Bleedingly obvious strategy, I'd have thought.
grarmy
29th June 2012, 11:43 AM
What a beat up! Tony Lockett used to aim the ball at a mentally projected black dot between the posts. The approach was well documented. The significant improvement by the Swans kicking strengths is due to practice, practice, following a personal approach routine, and more practice. Giving credence to the "GoalKicka Target" disses the effort the Swans players have put into their game. It has worked for Goodes. Not so for LRT and Rhyce.
wolftone57
29th June 2012, 12:25 PM
What a beat up! Tony Lockett used to aim the ball at a mentally projected black dot between the posts. The approach was well documented. The significant improvement by the Swans kicking strengths is due to practice, practice, following a personal approach routine, and more practice. Giving credence to the "GoalKicka Target" disses the effort the Swans players have put into their game. It has worked for Goodes. Not so for LRT and Rhyce.

It also demeans the impact of 'Specialist Coaches' like Nick Davis who has been working with Sammy in the last month or so. His goal kicking, while not perfect, has improved wholesale.
GongSwan
29th June 2012, 12:45 PM
Jetta's delivery into the forward line hasn't hurt iether, or McV
Nico
29th June 2012, 01:00 PM
It also demeans the impact of 'Specialist Coaches' like Nick Davis who has been working with Sammy in the last month or so. His goal kicking, while not perfect, has improved wholesale.

I think you will find that Davis has been working on Sam's technique. If your technique is wrong then accuracy is most likely poor.

Sam drops the ball wrong and swings his foot across his body. Nick's technique was almost flawless. Dropped the ball correctly, straight leg and straight follow through.

Heard the Goalkicka Target bloke on SEN. Makes a lot of sense. Kids have always been taught to pick something out behind the goals, close to the centre of the goals, to aim for. Unfortunately bad habits happen such as kicking around the body in the back yard and in junior footy, so the straight kick deserts them through lack of practice.

I think, and I stand corrected, that Tom Hawkins in junior footy played in the ruck. This may explain why he lacks confidence when kicking for goal. It will be interesting to see how Patton goes when kicking for goal because he played full forward in his junior days.
RogueSwan
29th June 2012, 03:24 PM
Didn't we suggest that on RWO last year? Bleedingly obvious strategy, I'd have thought.

Of course we did, all the good ideas the team get come from RWO! :five:
Red
29th June 2012, 05:39 PM
Goal-kicking yips a thing of the past for Swans
"Hello?", said The Jinx. "Did someone just call me?"
Jewels
29th June 2012, 07:52 PM
"Hello?", said The Jinx. "Did someone just call me?"

I thought the same thing.....
TheAgent
29th June 2012, 09:32 PM
I have seen what I believe is the reason for our increased goal kicking accuracy and quite simply it is just lots of practise as many have already mentioned.

As far as the glorified archery target thing, I have seen it put up once at training for about 5 minutes.
Xie Shan
1st July 2012, 05:50 PM
Maybe it's just the law of averages... I'm sure all teams practice their goalkicking like we do, but ultimately it's a confidence thing... look at Lewis Jetta, kicks 19 behinds to start his career and now he's equal 5th in the race for the Coleman!
GongSwan
1st July 2012, 05:56 PM
I thought the same thing.....

Yes 19/18 is hardly our best return and those easy shots at the death last night were horrifying, we should have probably kicked 25
Bloody Hell
1st July 2012, 06:13 PM
"
Swans coach John Longmire, however, dismissed the effect of GoalKicka Target, saying his players had used it on only ''three out of 70'' sessions. ''That's not the reason,'' he said.

Cameron was stunned when told of this yesterday by the Herald as he believed he had enjoyed a ''really good working relationship'' with the club and had received feedback that suggested they were ''very happy'' with the product."

BURN! :rofl:
The Big Cat
1st July 2012, 06:13 PM
Maybe it's just the law of averages...

No such thing! It is the law of probabilities! The term has been corrupted and twisted, just like Murphy's Law which originally referred to design, and stated that if the design allowed the potential for something to go wrong, it eventually would. Now people refer to it as some sort of fatalistic prediction in all walks of life. Other common sayings have also been corrupted such as "money is the root of all evil" when the original adage was "LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Malcolm Fraser's axiom of "Life wasn't meant to be easy...." is a corruption of his statement that "Life wasn't meant to be easy, but with love etc etc..."
Jewels
1st July 2012, 09:14 PM
Yes 19/18 is hardly our best return and those easy shots at the death last night were horrifying, we should have probably kicked 25

I was chatting to a Giants member sitting behind me last night and he said jokingly that the AFL must have ordered the Swans to NOT beat them by 100 judging by our kicking performance in the fourth quarter.
TheAgent
2nd July 2012, 10:33 AM
When are you most likely to be able to kick goals? Probably when you are fresh early in the game (excepting for nerves of course), when are you least likely? Probably when you are very tired at the end of a game.
goswannie14
2nd July 2012, 10:38 AM
They were talking about this on 360 last week, I think it was Barry Hall who said that Nick Davis was the goal kicking coach so that would have something to do with it. One of the other commetators chimed in with "and if it isn't he would claim it anyway!" Watching Nick Davis kick for goal was poetry in motion, whether set shot or on the run. You watch the 05 SF against Geelong, the perfect placement of the ball on the boot is incredible for his shot on the run.
grarmy
2nd July 2012, 10:50 AM
No such thing! It is the law of probabilities! The term has been corrupted and twisted, just like Murphy's Law which originally referred to design, and stated that if the design allowed the potential for something to go wrong, it eventually would. Now people refer to it as some sort of fatalistic prediction in all walks of life. Other common sayings have also been corrupted such as "money is the root of all evil" when the original adage was "LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Malcolm Fraser's axiom of "Life wasn't meant to be easy...." is a corruption of his statement that "Life wasn't meant to be easy, but with love etc etc..."

Loved this! The mish mash of 'truths' to reinforce an argument so often adopted by football commentators or your parents is pathetic.
Cheer Squad
2nd July 2012, 11:15 AM
Watching Nick Davis kick for goal was poetry in motion, whether set shot or on the run.

He certainly could be poetry in motion.

Watching Jeremy's Camerons kick for goal from the boundary on Saturday night reminded me a bit of how easy Nick Davis made it look at times.
Dosser
2nd July 2012, 01:26 PM
No such thing! It is the law of probabilities! The term has been corrupted and twisted, just like Murphy's Law which originally referred to design, and stated that if the design allowed the potential for something to go wrong, it eventually would. Now people refer to it as some sort of fatalistic prediction in all walks of life. Other common sayings have also been corrupted such as "money is the root of all evil" when the original adage was "LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Malcolm Fraser's axiom of "Life wasn't meant to be easy...." is a corruption of his statement that "Life wasn't meant to be easy, but with love etc etc..."

Yes, and Murphy's Law is just a corruption of the original Cole's Law which, from memory, is simply shredded cabbage in mayo.
DeadlyAkkuret
3rd July 2012, 01:03 AM
Yes, and Murphy's Law is just a corruption of the original Cole's Law which, from memory, is simply shredded cabbage in mayo.

Haha :wink:
Swansongster
3rd July 2012, 12:08 PM
just like Murphy's Law which originally referred to design, and stated that if the design allowed the potential for something to go wrong, it eventually would. Now people refer to it as some sort of fatalistic prediction in all walks of life.

Murphy was an optimist.
DamY
10th July 2012, 02:46 AM
What's our goalkicking like now? Is it still best for accuracy in the league?
R-1
10th July 2012, 09:10 AM
55%, fifth spot and one percent below the top, which is Adelaide and Freo.
DamY
10th July 2012, 10:43 AM
Darn! And I notice that Hawthorn had a nice little percentage booster. Their accuracy isn't too crash hot though I don't think, they've just had a million shots on goal from their inside 50
wolftone57
10th July 2012, 10:51 AM
Maybe it's just the law of averages... I'm sure all teams practice their goalkicking like we do, but ultimately it's a confidence thing... look at Lewis Jetta, kicks 19 behinds to start his career and now he's equal 5th in the race for the Coleman!

11 of those behinds were 'hit the post' and 7 just missed. He wasn't far away just slightly out in his accuracy and that was probably because at that stage the coaches were downplaying goal kicking and ball use in the practice in favour of fitness.