team lineup V Doggies

[ernie koala]

Well, the pain of sorts, starts now.

With Shaw returning to the lineup....there will be one unlucky out....Probably Cunningham

No doubt there will be more to come as others return...

A good conundrum, but a little painful considering how well the new players have fitted in and played.

[Aaron]

B D.Rampe, H.Grundy, N.Smith
HB N.Malceski, T.Richards, A.Everitt
C C.Bird, R.O'Keefe, J.McVeigh
HF D.Hannebery, J.White, J.Bolton
F J.Lamb, K.Tippett, M.Pyke
Foll S.Mumford, J.Kennedy, K.Jack
I/C (from) S.Biggs, H.Cunningham, B.Jack, T.Mitchell, M.Morton, L.Parker, R.Shaw

?In: R.Shaw, M.Morton, S.Biggs
Lamb takes the place of Parker in the 18
This is Parker's 50th game - interesting

[ShockOfHair]

You'd think Cunningham will go back to the twos after doing two games in the green vest.

If fit Shaw would make a great sub.

B D.Rampe, H.Grundy, N.Smith
HB N.Malceski, T.Richards, A.Everitt
C C.Bird, R.O'Keefe, J.McVeigh
HF D.Hannebery, J.White, J.Bolton
F J.Lamb, K.Tippett, M.Pyke
Foll S.Mumford, J.Kennedy, K.Jack
I/C (from) S.Biggs, H.Cunningham, B.Jack, T.Mitchell, M.Morton, L.Parker, R.Shaw

?In: R.Shaw, M.Morton, S.Biggs
Shaw included in squad for Bulldogs match - SYDNEYSWANS.com.au (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2013-08-01/shaw-included-in-squad-for-bulldogs-match)

[Jewels]

I'd like to see Mal rested this week to make sure that shoulder is ok. He appeared troubled by it the whole game.

[DamY]

I think BJ might get dropped, Cunningham will probably get dropped as well for match fitness reasons. I hope Shaw and Morto get a run!!!

[billyboob]

I think BJ might get dropped, Cunningham will probably get dropped as well for match fitness reasons. I hope Shaw and Morto get a run!!!

I don't think Morton's coming back bar injury unfortunately.

[aardvark]

Shaw for Cunningham unless Mal doesn't make it through friday training is my guess.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Shaw playing 70% of the game and certainly not going to wear the red vest......

we need to get game time into Rhys against a team like the Dogs so Rhys is truly ready leading into the Finals

WELCOME BACK MR SHAW - You are the voice of the backline !!!!

Although I want Harry to be there I think BJ and Lambie are trying very very hard to run out the games and they are just in front of Harry........... and BJ will most likely get the red jersey me thinks !

Lambie can play upfront and midfield and I would guess that Andrejs will play the swingman role and get some game time upfront as well as in the backs. Andrejs game time and development in a dual role is critical now .............we are leading into the finals and a tall swingman will be critical in finals style games with height a massive factor for matchups

Tommy to rotate thru the midfield predominantly as he appears to be doing the last two years !

B D.Rampe, H.Grundy, N.Smith
HB N.Malceski, T.Richards, A.Everitt
C C.Bird, R.O'Keefe, J.McVeigh
HF D.Hannebery, J.White, J.Bolton
F J.Lamb, K.Tippett, M.Pyke
Foll S.Mumford, J.Kennedy, K.Jack
I/C (from) T.Mitchell, L.Parker, R.Shaw, SUB: B.Jack

[ShockOfHair]

Shaw playing 70% of the game and certainly not going to wear the red vest......

SUB: B.Jack

I'd love to see him out there too, but don't you reckon there must a slight doubt over his fitness, which is why he's named on the bench? Either that or he's going to wear the green vest.

The good thing is we are starting to bring back our missing players ahead of the finals.

[ugg]

Shaw and Biggs flying to Melbourne. Assume Shaw is playing and Biggs is the traveling emergency

Cunningham is out

[swansrob]

Shaw would be sub you'd think - either way, it'll be great to see him back on the park!

[Nico]

Good to see we are not resting players. Heading to the finals with a solid squad.

[Bloodthirsty]

I'm still not sure how Shaw fits back into our team structurally, but if you are going to bring him back, you wouldn't make him sub. Even if he's completely stuffed by the end of it and needs to do way more recovery afterwards, this is a rare opportunity to get run into his legs.

[swansrob]

Good to see we are not resting players. Heading to the finals with a solid squad.
We don't have enough fit players to be resting anyone!

[ScottH]

I'm still not sure how Shaw fits back into our team structurally, but if you are going to bring him back, you wouldn't make him sub. Even if he's completely stuffed by the end of it and needs to do way more recovery afterwards, this is a rare opportunity to get run into his legs.

He makes a great small fwd!!


We don't have enough fit players to be resting anyone!

LOL
Very true.

[Bloodthirsty]

He makes a great small fwd!!

So do McGlynn and Morton. In fact, they've trained their entire football lives for it!

[ScottH]

So do McGlynn and Morton. In fact, they've trained their entire football lives for it!

Only 2 are available for selection, and I'd put Shaw way ahead of Morton.

[aardvark]

I'm still not sure how Shaw fits back into our team structurally, but if you are going to bring him back, you wouldn't make him sub.

I reckon he will rotate in with the other backs. Not all the back 6 will play 100% of game time.

[Bloodthirsty]

Only 2 are available for selection, and I'd put Shaw way ahead of Morton.

I know, I just meant if we could select anyone we wanted. I could't tell if you were joking or not re Shaw as a forward - but with McGlynn, Morton, Jetta and Rohan to eventually be part of the action, I can't see Shaw being an option.....and does one want to disturb the backline? I'd be very disappointed if McVeigh got moved from where he is. Seems to be a successful ploy ala Sam Mitchell, Jarrad McVeigh - put an elite midfielder on the half-back line.

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I reckon he will rotate in with the other backs. Not all the back 6 will play 100% of game time.

Have the Swans rotated backmen in the past? Or just mids and utilities?

[swantastic]

tommy and parker gota get a run...they been awsum

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Only 2 are available for selection, and I'd put Shaw way ahead of Morton.bloody oath

[aardvark]

Have the Swans rotated backmen in the past? Or just mids and utilities?

All the regular backs average over 90% TOG. Do we normally select 6 or 7 Backs ? This week we have 6 backs and Macca named on the wing and probably Shaw on the bench so probably 8 players who will spend at least some time down back. We'll have to have a close look this weekend.

[Triple B]

Now that Rhyce is over his injuries (hopefully), the only thing keeping him out of automatic selection in the seniors is his fitness base. One would think if they didn't intend to start him, he would have been better served playing a full or near full game in the ressies. For that reason I'd be pretty surprised if they make him the sub, it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

[swantastic]

Now that Rhyce is over his injuries (hopefully), the only thing keeping him out of automatic selection in the seniors is his fitness base. One would think if they didn't intend to start him, he would have been better served playing a full or near full game in the ressies. For that reason I'd be pretty surprised if they make him the sub, it just doesn't make a lot of sense.dnt matter who it as they have to earn their spot...swans doin well why change a winning line up???

[jono2707]

Any reason why Rhyce and/or Rampe can't play a bit further up the ground? Or a run with role? Fitness of course is an issue with Rhyce, but it would be interesting to see Dane tagging Griffen - he could physically handle it and it would be a good learning experience that's for sure.

McVeigh needs to stay in his sweeper role IMO. Cooney's been playing a similar role recently too and doing pretty well, so he'd be another option for Dane or Rhyce to sit on. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to tag McVeigh in that role too.

No issues here if Rhyce starts - could always red-vest him if he runs out of puff later in the game (and if no other injuries touch wood). If he's been named, we need to get match fitness into him.

[Matimbo]

Now that Rhyce is over his injuries (hopefully), the only thing keeping him out of automatic selection in the seniors is his fitness base. One would think if they didn't intend to start him, he would have been better served playing a full or near full game in the ressies. For that reason I'd be pretty surprised if they make him the sub, it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

+1. Why go from 70% reserves game time to less than a qtr game time in seniors as a plan for getting him back to full match fitness?? Gotta start him and have a match-fit sub ready to takeover when he is spent.

[Triple B]

dnt matter who it as they have to earn their spot...swans doin well why change a winning line up???

I'm not arguing the pros and cons of his selection, but now that he is selected, I'm putting forward the case that he should not be the sub.

[wolftone57]

I'd love to see him out there too, but don't you reckon there must a slight doubt over his fitness, which is why he's named on the bench? Either that or he's going to wear the green vest.

The good thing is we are starting to bring back our missing players ahead of the finals.

i agree Rhyce played 80 minutes and came in blowing due to lack of match fitness. If he is played on the weekend then we are going back to the bad old days of playing players on reputation rather than fitness. We have plenty of depth we don't need to play Rhyce before he is match fit. If there is a doubt on Mal then bring young Biggs in as sub, he is a similar type to Mal but not as seasoned of course. We can cover Mal with the players we have in our back half already it just means more game time for Dane ad a sub of Biggs in the third to help alleviate the load. But it seems we are going to play Rhyce even if nt match fit, I don't agree with this.

[ShockOfHair]

Longmire also confirmed that Rhyce Shaw, who was named in the Swans? extended squad last night, would play this weekend should he get through Friday?s final training session.

?We?re hopeful that Rhyce Shaw is able to get through the training session and if he pulls up, we?ll name him in the team,? he said.

First possession critical against Dogs - SYDNEYSWANS.com.au (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2013-08-02/first-possession-critical-against-dogs)

[wolftone57]

I know, I just meant if we could select anyone we wanted. I could't tell if you were joking or not re Shaw as a forward - but with McGlynn, Morton, Jetta and Rohan to eventually be part of the action, I can't see Shaw being an option.....and does one want to disturb the backline? I'd be very disappointed if McVeigh got moved from where he is. Seems to be a successful ploy ala Sam Mitchell, Jarrad McVeigh - put an elite midfielder on the half-back line.

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Have the Swans rotated backmen in the past? Or just mids and utilities?

Rampe/Everitt quite a few times this season and Mal, Macca Rampe, Everitt, seem to be rotating when there is need to rest a back player. Smooch doesn't get rested much I notice probably because his role is so specialised, minding the dangerous small forwards like Rioli.

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All the regular backs average over 90% TOG. Do we normally select 6 or 7 Backs ? This week we have 6 backs and Macca named on the wing and probably Shaw on the bench so probably 8 players who will spend at least some time down back. We'll have to have a close look this weekend.

Always 7 in the past so we could rotate off the bench and rest one back player at a time. For instance our line up:

B D.Rampe, H.Grundy, N.Smith
HB N.Malceski, T.Richards, A.Everitt
C C.Bird, R.O'Keefe, J.McVeigh
HF D.Hannebery, J.White, J.Bolton
F J.Lamb, K.Tippett, M.Pyke
Foll S.Mumford, J.Kennedy, K.Jack
I/C (from) S.Biggs, H.Cunningham, B.Jack, T.Mitchell, M.Morton, L.Parker, R.Shaw

?In: R.Shaw, M.Morton, S.Biggs

this line up has Macca on a wing but that never happens he always plays HB. Either Rampe, Mal, Macca or Dre start on the bench. More likely Dre or Dane. But all get good game time and all backs get to be rested at some stage.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Shaw and Biggs flying to Melbourne. Assume Shaw is playing and Biggs is the traveling emergency
Cunningham is out

Having Biggs travelling makes me wonder whether Horse is 100% confident that Mal and Shaw will come up. As to poor Harry, geez the green vest is a hard way to try to break into the firsts.
If the AFL do cap the interchanges, does that mean we can say goodbye to the vests?

[ScottH]

I know, I just meant if we could select anyone we wanted. I could't tell if you were joking or not re Shaw as a forward - but with McGlynn, Morton, Jetta and Rohan to eventually be part of the action, I can't see Shaw being an option.....and does one want to disturb the backline? I'd be very disappointed if McVeigh got moved from where he is. Seems to be a successful ploy ala Sam Mitchell, Jarrad McVeigh - put an elite midfielder on the half-back line.

No, I was dead serious.
Back in 2010 he played FF for a small portions of 2 games with great effect.
He's quick and elusive.

The back line is quite settled ATM, so no reason to upset that, so why not surprise the dogs with a quick small in the F50.

[Triple B]

No, I was dead serious.
Back in 2010 he played FF for a small portions of 2 games with great effect.
He's quick and elusive.

The back line is quite settled ATM, so no reason to upset that, so why not surprise the dogs with a quick small in the F50.

He's also had the odd game as a run with player over the years, although struggling with match fitness would see that as a tough ask at the minute. It could quite feasibly be an option going forward, particularly if the current Mal McVeigh show keeps rating thru the roof...

[ugg]

Having Biggs travelling makes me wonder whether Horse is 100% confident that Mal and Shaw will come up. As to poor Harry, geez the green vest is a hard way to try to break into the firsts.
If the AFL do cap the interchanges, does that mean we can say goodbye to the vests?
Probably just player management - Morton and Cunningham need more game time than Biggs at the moment.

[Bloodthirsty]

No, I was dead serious.
Back in 2010 he played FF for a small portions of 2 games with great effect.
He's quick and elusive.

The back line is quite settled ATM, so no reason to upset that, so why not surprise the dogs with a quick small in the F50.

I understand that for this game, which is little more than a practice match, but as part of a premiership-seeking outfit, where would you play Shaw if one of McGlynn, Morton, Rohan and Jetta came back as forwards?

[swantastic]

I'm not arguing the pros and cons of his selection, but now that he is selected, I'm putting forward the case that he should not be the sub.imo he should be the sub hes been out for ages,maybe give him halfa game

[Ludwig]

I think Shaw and Smith may split the defensive work on the quick small forwards Gianseracusa and Dahlhaus. Both are pretty dangerous and can hit the scoreboard often. We need to give Shaw some game time if he's to feature in the finals. This is the game to do it as next week vs. Collingwood will be one where we'd want to have the backline issues worked out beforehand.

[jono2707]

I understand that for this game, which is little more than a practice match, but as part of a premiership-seeking outfit, where would you play Shaw if one of McGlynn, Morton, Rohan and Jetta came back as forwards?

I hope the team isn't thinking like this - Doggies have improved a bit the last few weeks and are playing some half-decent footy. Yes we are miles better than them but this week is not the week for complacency....

[ScottH]

He's also had the odd game as a run with player over the years, although struggling with match fitness would see that as a tough ask at the minute. It could quite feasibly be an option going forward, particularly if the current Mal McVeigh show keeps rating thru the roof...
Yes, definitely not fit enough for a run with role, and probably not needed in the D50, unless things go awry.


I understand that for this game, which is little more than a practice match, but as part of a premiership-seeking outfit, where would you play Shaw if one of McGlynn, Morton, Rohan and Jetta came back as forwards?

This game last year the dogs gave us a bit of a hiding in the 1st qtr, before we got on top and won easily.
They are a much better unit than last year and will have some confidence after last weeks game against the eagles.

If one of the above are ready to come back in then Shaw could be used off the bench in rotation until he is fit enough to fulfill he's usual role down back.
I was only thinking of this game as it is the one the thread is about.

[dimelb]

I understand that for this game, which is little more than a practice match, but as part of a premiership-seeking outfit, where would you play Shaw if one of McGlynn, Morton, Rohan and Jetta came back as forwards?

Dear me. I hoped that the Port experience might cure us of this sort of thinking.

[hot potato]

Horse and his Merry men would certainly Not be taking this approach, gotta pay respect to every outfit at this level.
HP

[0918330512]

WT? - after the NM/Geel match, TAB odds WB $1.85 : Syd $1.95??? 3rd v 15th ... HUH??

[Triple B]

WT? - after the NM/Geel match, TAB odds WB $1.85 : Syd $1.95??? 3rd v 15th ... HUH??

That would be the odds at the line, (or with the points start factored in for the non punters). There has been a fair bit of interest in the doggies 'at the line' with the start at around 44.5 points and the opening quote of 1.90 each of two has been adjusted to reflect that weight of money.

[wolftone57]

We selected Rhyce, which I think at this stage is a mistake due to his lack of match fitness. Butr now he is there he would either play sub or play the first half and a bit and be subbed. I can't see him playing a full AFL match if he was blowing after 80mins of NEAFL.

[Jewels]

We selected Rhyce, which I think at this stage is a mistake due to his lack of match fitness. Butr now he is there he would either play sub or play the first half and a bit and be subbed. I can't see him playing a full AFL match if he was blowing after 80mins of NEAFL.

Would you have preferred he be brought in against The Pies next week? We hopefully will have so many players returning from injury over the next few weeks that I would have thought this the perfect game to try him out.

[Bloodthirsty]

Dear me. I hoped that the Port experience might cure us of this sort of thinking.

My thinking is irrelevant to how the Swans perform. Just saying that a super-elite club should be able to roll a struggling club and the focus should be on getting 4 points and avoiding further injuries.

[wolftone57]

Would you have preferred he be brought in against The Pies next week? We hopefully will have so many players returning from injury over the next few weeks that I would have thought this the perfect game to try him out.

Week after against the Saints would have been better Jewels. What ever happened to the consensus here a few weeks ago that players should earn their spot because of our depth. I do not give a @@@@ for his previous reputation or his heroics in the GF. Now is the hour of reckoning not last year or previous years. If a player is match fit, playing well for at least 90mins in the Twos, not spent, then sure bring him in. But my problem with him coming in is he only played 80mins and was blowing or spent before the end of the Twos match. this match like all Twos matches is played at a lower tempo than AFL. This shows a definite lack of match fitness and I don't believe with our depth we need to play non match fit players no matter their previous reputation nor their seniority.

The Upshot: I would have waited until the Saints game. By the way Jetts, LRT & Goodsie are only now on the treadmill. Sammy is running outside so he will probably return to training in the next couple of weeks. But I can't see the others being ready until just before the finals.

[undy]

Week after against the Saints would have been better Jewels..
...

The Upshot: I would have waited until the Saints game. By the way Jetts, LRT & Goodsie are only now on the treadmill. Sammy is running outside so he will probably return to training in the next couple of weeks. But I can't see the others being ready until just before the finals.

I think the backlog of recovering players is a reason to bring Shaw in sooner rather than later, so it is only one or two changes a game, Shaw, then Rohan, then Sammy etc.

[Jewels]

The Upshot: I would have waited until the Saints game. By the way Jetts, LRT & Goodsie are only now on the treadmill. Sammy is running outside so he will probably return to training in the next couple of weeks. But I can't see the others being ready until just before the finals.

I understand what you are saying but my point is that better to introduce Shaw against the Dogs and perhaps Rohan against the Saints then either bringing in two players lacking match fitness in the one game or bringing them in for the higher pressure games.
On your other point re earning their spots, I agree the likes of Rampe and Mitchell should certainly hold their places but I have no problem with the likes of Cunningham and B Jack being replaced with more experienced campaigners at this time of the season.

[mcs]

I understand what you are saying but my point is that better to introduce Shaw against the Dogs and perhaps Rohan against the Saints then either bringing in two players lacking match fitness in the one game or bringing them in for the higher pressure games.
On your other point re earning their spots, I agree the likes of Rampe and Mitchell should certainly hold their places but I have no problem with the likes of Cunningham and B Jack being replaced with more experienced campaigners at this time of the season.

Spot on Jewels. Not that I think there is much chance of either Rampe or Mitchell going out - they are well and truly established now. But the younger guys, like Cunningham and B Jack, are clearly not part of our best 22 if we get some of the guys back. They have great potential, and I think they'll both make it, but they aren't there yet. Similarly, I think Lamb (despite improving) will also go out as well if we get enough guys back.

[ScottH]

That would be the odds at the line, (or with the points start factored in for the non punters). There has been a fair bit of interest in the doggies 'at the line' with the start at around 44.5 points and the opening quote of 1.90 each of two has been adjusted to reflect that weight of money.

yep. 45.5.

[wolftone57]

I understand what you are saying but my point is that better to introduce Shaw against the Dogs and perhaps Rohan against the Saints then either bringing in two players lacking match fitness in the one game or bringing them in for the higher pressure games.
On your other point re earning their spots, I agree the likes of Rampe and Mitchell should certainly hold their places but I have no problem with the likes of Cunningham and B Jack being replaced with more experienced campaigners at this time of the season.

My point is that by the Saints game neither would be low on match fitness. Rohan would have had 4 and Shaw 3. Think about that just a minute, Shaw has nor played since round 2! He has had groin muscle tears and abdominal tears. Bloody hard to judge what they are going to do and if there is going to be a flair up under the greater pressure as Matt Cameron keeps telling us. Deep tissue damage like this is always dodgy. At least with rooster it is more cut and dry.

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Spot on Jewels. Not that I think there is much chance of either Rampe or Mitchell going out - they are well and truly established now. But the younger guys, like Cunningham and B Jack, are clearly not part of our best 22 if we get some of the guys back. They have great potential, and I think they'll both make it, but they aren't there yet. Similarly, I think Lamb (despite improving) will also go out as well if we get enough guys back.

Agree about Cunningham & BJ but not about Lamb. I think he is starting to really show bit by bit what he is really capable of. He is playing forward and is proving extremely elusive. Maybe when Benny comes back this will change. But I don't think Sammy should be a walk up start. This year Sammy has been pretty ordinary as has Jetts. They have to knw that they have to earn their spots. as for Rhyce I think he should be in the same position as one minute he can be a huge match winner and the next the culprit of a bloody stupid kick or act like leaving his man.

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After all the upsets this weekend this looms as a danger game we really need to be on tomorrow. After Richmond beat hawks I am very wary. North also against Cats. We need to be really focused as a team and as a support group. Give our all every one of us. remember we have yet to play at Etihad this year and they play here almost every second week, it is their dunghill. It doesn't matter we played really well there last year, we have a lot of new players this tear. So Melbourne Crew get down to Etihad and CHEER CHEER THE RED AND THE WHITE