who is under pressure in 2014 ?

[Auntie.Gerald]

back from hols and i thought i would share the players I am concerned for in season 2014........this does not mean they are out on the ear as most will start in Snrs if fit and ready ....... but I am truly concerned that some of them may have trouble stopping the talent, tenacity and fitness pushing thru........if it is not season 2014 then it maybe the one after.

I am not basing this on their past glories and some of them hero like contributions.......I am just trying to be practical with where they are at now, what their best looked like, how they are cooping with constant or debilitating injuries.......and can they go to new heights vs our talent coming thru...............


Jetta
Rohan
Birdy
McGlynn
LRT
Shaw
ROK
Goodes

[swansrob]

Neither of Goodes, O'Keefe or LRT are under pressure. No matter what, if fit, they'll be for into the side. Bird has been pretty consistent and McGlynn is being groomed for a midfield role. Jetta needs to pull some solid games together, but if he recaptures 2012 form, he's not going anywhere. Rohan is similar - after so long out of the game, he just needs to play some solid footy. Shaw could go either way. He won't be there Round 1 and is likely to make his come back via the NEAFL and will be in direct competition with a couple of young guns.

[liz]

The guys under most pressure are probably those entering their 2nd and 3rd years on the list (excluding Jack and Rampe, who've earned themselves contracts beyond the end of this season, and Mitchell, for obvious reasons). It might seem harsh to suggest these 2nd and 3rd year players need to prove themselves, but the reality of the AFL system is that several of them will almost certainly be churned out at the end of this year. It's up to each of them to prove why they should be retained over the rest of their cohort. They don't necessarily need to play senior football this year to secure their spots beyond this year, but most of them will need to be seriously pushing for selection and/or demonstrating a strong trend of development.

[ernie koala]

I agree with Liz. Can't see any pressure on the old boys union, they all have plenty of credits in the bank.

It's players like.... Membrey, Towers, Lockyer, Marsh, Dick, Cunningham, Biggs.... who need to show plenty to stay on the list...

Good luck to them all.

[jono2707]

Shaw is likely in his last season, also perhaps LRT and Goodsey. The only pressure they're under is whether injuries will keep them off the park.

I don't know why you would think Jetta, Bird or Rohan would be under pressure - these guys are best 22 when fit. McGlynn may feel the pressure from some of the younger guys but I'm confident Benny has the fight and will to succeed.

As Liz said, the real pressure is on the 2-3 year players who have not yet played seniors. Some of these guys need to get some games under their belts to stay on, and the reality is that a few probably won't get the chance. Biggs was very lucky in 2013 to get a few games in which he impressed, so he had the fortune to stay on the list - many others in similar situations don't have the luck to get a few games like he did and miss their chances all together. He'll need to develop further in 2014 too.

I don't know why Bird is not seen by some here as a top 22 player - he is quality and absolutely vital to our structures and is the sort of player many teams would kill for.

[royboy42]

Bird has always had doubters, or , at least people who don't see his value.
I reckon it's because he is not a showy player, doesn't do a lot of spectacular things. But his worth to the team is always recognised by the powers that matter. Didn't he finish top ten again in the club best in '13?
I remember arguing his case here this time last year. He's in my 'always plays if fit' group.

[Ludwig]

I agree with Liz and others about 2nd and 3rd year players being under pressure. This is always the case, unless you're like a Hanners, and show you are heading for stardom from the get go.

Auntie has a point about some of the others being under pressure as well.

Those on the list that are over 30 will play until they cannot, a la Jude.

But even high quality players like Jetta and Bird will have to play at top level to keep their spots, and perhaps more so, to stay off the trade table, as the number of quality midfielders at the Swans grows. A player like Laidler could push Rampe into the competition for midfield spots. Good words about Marsh, Towers, Lloyd, Robinson and Cunningham add to the pressure for spots. They are under pressure as 2nd and 3rd year players, but they are putting pressure on those regulars to keep their spots as well. Newcomers Perris and Jones are looking like winners too. The reality is that there cannot be spots for all of them, so something has to give.

It's a good exercise trying to pick a team that includes players that you are 'nearly certain' will make it as quality senior players, just to see how difficult it can be. I think we may have to trade one or 2 'regular' midfielders at the end of the season if most of the ones on my 'near certainty' list come through.

[Jewels]

He's in my 'always plays if fit' group.

Mine too Royboy, and more importantly, I think Longmire and co agree also.

[ShockOfHair]

The obvious one would be Rampe. AJ is still injured, but LRT will step in for him. After AJ recovers, Rampe seems the one most likely to give way. Will be interesting to see how our backline sets up after Shaw comes back as well.

[Ludwig]

The obvious one would be Rampe. AJ is still injured, but LRT will step in for him. After AJ recovers, Rampe seems the one most likely to give way. Will be interesting to see how our backline sets up after Shaw comes back as well.

To some Rampe may seem the most 'obvious' to be one most likely based on the last one in, first out, policy, but based on performance, I think he will be a permanent fixture in the side, ahead of many more accomplished players, Shaw and LRT included. Rampe is really the total package: Speed, endurance, strength, long kicking and kicking accuracy, hardness and a good size as well. I think we are all still a bit in shock about how good an overlooked player can be. But I'm putting Rampe in the Michael Barlow category as an overlooked gem. I'm expecting even bigger things from Dane this year.

[Mountain Man]

To me McGlynn is the one to worry. With all the talls in our forward line (Tippet, Franklin, Reid, Goodes), plus the speedy Rohan and Jetta running forward, it seems to me we are missing the small fast crumbing forward who is always trying to get to the drop of the ball.

B Jack in that specialist role could be an absolute winner.

McGlynn seeking/being groomed for more time in the midfield seems like a coals to Newcastle option given the talent in abundance there. He could then miss out totally.

[ernie koala]

To me McGlynn is the one to worry.

McGlynn seeking/being groomed for more time in the midfield seems like a coals to Newcastle option given the talent in abundance there. He could then miss out totally.

He may be training for a permanent tagging role. To compliment Bird.

[Captain]

Bird would easily be the one under most pressure.

[Mr Magoo]

Why Bird.

In my opinion , player most under pressure to perform - Franklin.

Player most under pressure to stay in the first 22 - depends if you base it on the 22 that ran out against Freo or whether you consider it against the usual suspects. If you look at the Freo 22 then Cunningham most under pressure to lose his spot. If you consider the core group then really no one is specifically under pressure , its just whoever comes out and is not performing.

The reality is that we traded most of our players that were in this category - Everitt, White, Lamb and Armstrong fell heavily into this category.

[Plugger46]

Franklin. In terms of scrutiny on performance anyway.

Walsh, Lockyer, Towers spring to mind.

I think the club rates Bird a lot higher than some people on here. He's important to us in my opinion.

[Auntie.Gerald]

The reason i popped Bird in the mix was because there are other players emerging that have a much stronger offensive part of their game emerging but are a little behind a Birdy in their in and under defensive tagging...........so obviously if they can get the defensive part of their game right ......well they are already ahead in speed and attack

i did preface by saying that serious pressure maybe the season after but i am very impressed with our list below our best 22

[Reggi]

Probably more than you think. Longmire has turned over 20 - 25% every year. Cannot see that changing. Currently our rookies look more promising than our last 2-3 years of draftees. With the exception of Mitchell would think most would have a lot to prove

[Captain]

Bird is a good player no doubt. Plenty of others coming through that will be putting pressure on him though.

Jack, ROK, Kennedy, McVeigh, Jetta, Parker and maybe Mitchell are all ahead of him.

McGlynn offers more as a forward.

Who else is left that Bird will replace?

[Ludwig]

I think there is pressure on the entire midfield group due to the depth of the group and the quality of young players coming through. Bird is in my best 22, but perhaps realises the pressure from below, which is why he seems to be putting in such a good preseason with his running times.

Shaw, McGlynn, Cunningham and BJ can't make my best 22 at the moment. I would be happy to see any of them in the team. It only shows how difficult it is to fit everyone in. Those younger players that are impressing in the preseason like Marsh, Perris, Jones and Towers have to join a queue that is already quite long. It will be interesting to see how they do in the NAB cup (if that's what it's still called).

[Simo]

I think Reg will be the first looked at, if Reid goes back and LRT comes back....his lack of pace could be an issue. His height may save him but X and I hope Walsh can really step up.

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interchange will also put pressure on the less than super fit

[Mountain Man]

Shaw, McGlynn, Cunningham and BJ can't make my best 22 at the moment.

Ludwig,

You must have a very tall 22 with none of the above in your "best selection".

[ShockOfHair]

Bird was the Swans' best tagger and the 10th best in the league last last year, according to Champion Data. Beat his opponent five times out of eight.

Blues' Ed Curnow emerges as AFL's No. 2 tagger (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-ed-curnow-emerges-as-afls-no-2-tagger-20140111-30nri.html)

[Cheer_Cheer]

Horse.. If he doesn't win us a flag with this lot of cattle then questions will be asked :-)

[wolftone57]

The obvious one would be Rampe. AJ is still injured, but LRT will step in for him. After AJ recovers, Rampe seems the one most likely to give way. Will be interesting to see how our backline sets up after Shaw comes back as well.

I don't see Shaw in our best 22 anymore. I see Rampe there. I think it is getting to the stage that players like BJ & Harry will also be pushing for top 22.

[DK_]

I think the bigger question is whether Horse will stick with the stability strategy (in which being in the top 22 is important) or go with something more like Geelong's top 30 policy (in which best 22 is only of academic interest until you hit the big games & finals). Given the exchange cap, the age of some of our stars and our team running out of fuel late last year, I'd be surprised if we don't see some rotating.

I think the McGlynn to the midfield is just part of a strategy to rest midfielders without using up the exchange cap. Wouldn't be surprised to see Smith swapping with midfielders for parts of the game either.

[wolftone57]

I think the bigger question is whether Horse will stick with the stability strategy (in which being in the top 22 is important) or go with something more like Geelong's top 30 policy (in which best 22 is only of academic interest until you hit the big games & finals). Given the exchange cap, the age of some of our stars and our team running out of fuel late last year, I'd be surprised if we don't see some rotating.

I think the McGlynn to the midfield is just part of a strategy to rest midfielders without using up the exchange cap. Wouldn't be surprised to see Smith swapping with midfielders for parts of the game either.

I agree and I think the top 30 strategy is going to be the go. I think it will be horses for courses this season and rest the players who need it. The mids may get a rest rotation this season as may our old blokes. We might even see some of the defense getting rested at times in easier games.

[Auntie.Gerald]

hhhmmmm not sure re the top 30

but I am really starting to struggle with our best 22........i thought i was getting my head around it but if Shaw and AJ come back fit and firing in the early rounds and knowing our policy at the Swans is to ensure that our snr players go out with a full season in SNRS where ever possible before retirement ......maybe then Shaw will play in the backline

I wonder with the squad stacked as it is if we may see Mal play more minutes then ever up on the wing so that Shaw can play majority of minutes, Macca maybe moves back into the midfield with Shaw spending most of his minutes in the backline and go out with a bang in season 2014 !

A little like ROK playing up front in Judes role of 2013 and or rotating thru the middle ROK will be given every chance to shine in 2014 and potentially go out a winner at 33yrs of age in season 2014

So where does that leave LRT ? in my mind i find it difficult to have ROK, SHAW and LRT in the 22 - i know that sounds crazy in years gone past but we have some serious players to leave out also !

:hmmmm2:

Maybe this is not the round 1 team due to injured players recovering but maybe by rd 6.......either way our backline looks rock solid

Shaw, Ted, AJ
Smithy, Grundy, Rampe

Hannes
Mal
Kennedy
Jack
Macca
Pyke

ROK, Reid, Goodes
Rohan, Tip, Buddy


Bench:

Bird
Mcglynn
Mitchell
Parker

LRT
Jetta
BJ
Cunningham
Laidler
Marsh
Towers

[Melbourne_Blood]

It's drawing a long bow to have Rohan starting and Jetta on an extended bench. Jetta has a few more points on the board than the rooster, as good as he will probably be, he isn't there just yet ( he may have been if not for that injury though ). Jetta may have been the most important player structurally to our flag year, he starts until fitness or form dictates otherwise IMO.

[Nico]

Auntie, you can't be serious to have Jetta out of the best 22.

[ernie koala]

I am a huge fan of AJ....but with 2 reco's and 12 months out, he'll most likely be playing Autumn in the 2's.

I suspect he'll have to wait for a spot to open up, through injury or poor form, before he gets back in the 1's.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

AJ looks to have built up quite a lot while injured, he's starting to look more like a key psition defender than a third tall, which is handy given the age of Ted, Reg and LRT.

As for Lewis Jetta, we will play him because when he wasnt available we looked a bit one paced. in the past we have been opened up by the quicker teams.

[tasmania60]

Lets be honest Mc Glyn dead man walking, crumbing forward nah never in the right position ,wrong man . Tagger not sure if hes got the endurance , first 20 games from Hawks looked a world beater .Honestly sorry to say this but hes going to be swallowed up with kids coming through a lot more hungry .Jetta i know hes had some injures and it didn't help him last year, hes lost his pace already another whose going to struggle with a spot. I relay think were going to give it a shake this year and spots are going to be cut throat .:surprise:

[Mr Magoo]

On what basis do you say that Jetta has lost his pace. He was injured most of the year . Agree that McGlynn may struggle to hold his spot if he doesnt perform at his absolute best but we didnt really pick up any new guys of his type over the off season so it is likely that he will be ahead of biggs, cunningham and a few others at this stage.

[wolftone57]

It's drawing a long bow to have Rohan starting and Jetta on an extended bench. Jetta has a few more points on the board than the rooster, as good as he will probably be, he isn't there just yet ( he may have been if not for that injury though ). Jetta may have been the most important player structurally to our flag year, he starts until fitness or form dictates otherwise IMO.

Watched the 12 minutes highlights of the 2011 win at Kardinia Park and Rohan was sensational. If he can get back to that sort of form he will be wonderful. Jetts is in my top 22.

[DK_]

So where does that leave LRT ? in my mind i find it difficult to have ROK, SHAW and LRT in the 22

I've been guilty of not seeing a spot in our 22 for LRT on more than one occasion in the past and he's always proven me spectacularly wrong! It's hard to beat his versatility around the ground, particularly his ability to push forward or drop back as the flow of the game changes. Being able to play backup ruck will not hurt him either.

On a more serious note, is there any way we can cancel January and February? I'm beside myself with excitement for round 1! So many possibilities, so far away!

[ernie koala]

Under pressure.....Walsh....He's in the last year of his contract. Says his first wish is to stay at the Swans.

He needs to come back from his awful injury and have some kind of impact.....Unfortunately that looks unlikely.

[swansrob]

Under pressure.....Walsh....He's in the last year of his contract. Says his first wish is to stay at the Swans.

He needs to come back from his awful injury and have some kind of impact.....Unfortunately that looks unlikely.
I find it hard to believe Walsh will be in Australia for 2015. He is coming off a huge injury and is last in the pecking order as far as tall forwards go (a commodity in which we are well stocked)

[DK_]

Under pressure.....Walsh....He's in the last year of his contract. Says his first wish is to stay at the Swans.

He needs to come back from his awful injury and have some kind of impact.....Unfortunately that looks unlikely.

It's a tough ask. Though the club still might see him as a replacement for an ageing LRT. If I remember right, ressie watchers said he was spending a lot of time down back before he was injured. I suspect he'll be competing with Sam Reid there - who must also be under pressure to produce a breakout season.

[erica]

Injured Swan Walsh considers going home to Ireland - AFL.com.au (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-01-16/walsh-considers-going-home)

[graemed]

I like the idea of a rotation policy and have narrowed the list to 26:

2 Rhyce Shaw - should be interesting to see how he holds up after LARS, deserves his spot.
3 Jarrad McVeigh - outstanding last year
4 Daniel Hannebery - had a quiet finish to 2013 after setting the world alight early, will be tagged and needs to work through it.
5 Ryan O'Keefe - looked to have really lost a yard and will struggle to maintain his midfield role despite his strength and fitness.
6 Tom Mitchell - started sensationally but lost some form and then had trouble regaining his poise. Injuries always a problem.
7 Harry Cunningham - has real speed and looks comfortable in seniors but too limited and needs to improve defensively to take on midfield role if required.
8 Kurt Tippett - will play in ruck with Pyke, et al. Wonder what sort of a role coaching staff have in mind when resting as forward.
9 Nick Malceski - was in great form until teams began to man him up. Needs to win his own ball more and be accountable defensively not just our best attacking defender.
11 Jeremy Laidler - not required at Carlton under Mick but has good qualities and could be used if key defenders go down.
12 Josh P Kennedy - contested possession and stoppages king, essential member of midfield.
14 Craig Bird - best tagger in side. Graet in and under player and ablosute mud-lark. Solid but lacks pace.
15 Kieren Jack - played below form in prelim but will use it as motivation to continue toward elite status
16 Gary Rohan - needs to regain confidence. Still has genuine pace and kicks superbly. Struggles to win the footy and needs to be more involved for longer.
20 Sam Reid - really missed him last year. Will be really keen to see how he fits into planning and how he may work whether iup forward, in midfield or down back.
21 Ben McGlynn - really needs big year. Still best small forward on list but could be used more in midfield if rotation policy used. Lacks real pace and is sometimes exposed as a consequence.
23 Lance Franklin - do not understand why we needed him, much less for 9 years but I'm sure glad we no longer have the problem of manning up on him.
24 Dane Rampe - showed real promise as a defender, and continued to improve. Hope he can play a more attacking role this year as he is a natural forward.
25 Ted Richards - another outstanding year and clearly one of our key players. Should have more tall support this year with LRT back and maybe Sam Reid, as well.
26 Luke Parker - took a giant step last year adding marking and goal kicking to his already formidable ball winning and tackling skills.
30 Lewis Roberts-Thomson - his loss to side balance cannot be overestimated. His role defensively whether in attack or back is vital. May be his last year.
32 Lewis Jetta - whether injured or lacking drive, last year was a return to the bad old days. Poor conversion and lack of possessions notwithstanding he just didn't look as sharp or switched on. Looking for renewed spark.
33 Brandon Jack - showed enough to recommend patience with Jack jnr. Real pace and good ball sense. Will get another chance probably at Benny's expense.
34 Alex Johnson - has definitely gained weight during rehab but has resumed running and should be back to playing weight soon. Doubt about early availabilty probably April/May.
37 Adam Goodes - also slow to resume full training probably on limited schedule due to importance to team and physio's looking to nurse him through the season injury free.
38 Mike Pyke - with the loss of Mumford, he becomes vital to all planning. Unfortunately he has a history of injuries and is currently still in rehab squad.
39 Heath Grundy - the enigma that is Reg; reliable and honest, tough and quick versus slow delivery and poor decision making, inaccurate disposals and dumb free-kicks. You gotta love him.
40 Nick Smith - best small defender in team. Always gets the job done, rarely beaten.
41 Lloyd Perris (R) - great prospect will get early oppourtunities, very fit and finds the footy, could be very good.
46 Shane Biggs (R) - showed real poise under pressure and deserves more oppourtunities.

Of the remaining players, injuries and form will dictate those most likely to be given an oppourtunity, but IMHO those who should be tried first are:

10 Zak Jones - really good looking prospect. Very focussed in pre-season and has excellent skills. Small but tough. Could be good.
13 Toby Nankervis - has looked very likely on track. Good marking and positioning, kicks well for goal and has good instincts. Fitness may be an issue and with our wealth of talls may have limited oppourtunites.
17 Tommy Walsh - still in rehab group but looks super fit and very intense.
18 Jordan Lockyer - probably last chance. Has not come along as well as some others but doing better on track this pre-season.
19 Tom Derickx - probably first choice as back-up if either Tippett or Pyke goes down. Has looked impressive at training.
22 Dean Towers - will need to improve defensively but looks exciting and could be best long term project.
42 Xavier Richards (R) - liked his efforts in Magoos last year resolute, dependable and had good timing. Could be used more this year.

[DK_]

Nice assessment Graemed.

Don't think Naismith will get a gig? Also, I thought Jetta showed a fair bit in his last couple of games before injury and in the finals. He looked confident. He adds a lot to the team.

Any idea what Pyke's injury is? I haven't been able to find anything other than he's in the rehab group.

[liz]

Any idea what Pyke's injury is? I haven't been able to find anything other than he's in the rehab group.

It was reported a few weeks ago (in one of the various interview / articles on the state of the rehab group) that he had some kind of knee clean-up operation after the end of last season. It sounded like it was to address a problem he was carrying for at least the back end of last season, rather than something sustained post-season.

[Nico]

I heard on SEN this afternoon that Jetta has had an operatioon on his knee as recent as this week but should be right for round 1.

[DK_]

I heard on SEN this afternoon that Jetta has had an operatioon on his knee as recent as this week but should be right for round 1.

ITB release. I had one of them and was back running within days. It's no big deal.

[graemed]

He was training on Monday, Wednesday and Friday but had a pressure bandage around knee and while I was there on Friday was sitting against fence. When he was walking he was hobbling. Maliceski also sat out skills work with what looked like a corked thigh but it was being iced on the inner thigh so I'm not sure what it may have been.

[Gary]

I like the idea of a rotation policy and have narrowed the list to 26:

2 Rhyce Shaw - should be interesting to see how he holds up after LARS, deserves his spot.
3 Jarrad McVeigh - outstanding last year
4 Daniel Hannebery - had a quiet finish to 2013 after setting the world alight early, will be tagged and needs to work through it.
5 Ryan O'Keefe - looked to have really lost a yard and will struggle to maintain his midfield role despite his strength and fitness.
6 Tom Mitchell - started sensationally but lost some form and then had trouble regaining his poise. Injuries always a problem.
7 Harry Cunningham - has real speed and looks comfortable in seniors but too limited and needs to improve defensively to take on midfield role if required.
8 Kurt Tippett - will play in ruck with Pyke, et al. Wonder what sort of a role coaching staff have in mind when resting as forward.
9 Nick Malceski - was in great form until teams began to man him up. Needs to win his own ball more and be accountable defensively not just our best attacking defender.
11 Jeremy Laidler - not required at Carlton under Mick but has good qualities and could be used if key defenders go down.
12 Josh P Kennedy - contested possession and stoppages king, essential member of midfield.
14 Craig Bird - best tagger in side. Graet in and under player and ablosute mud-lark. Solid but lacks pace.
15 Kieren Jack - played below form in prelim but will use it as motivation to continue toward elite status
16 Gary Rohan - needs to regain confidence. Still has genuine pace and kicks superbly. Struggles to win the footy and needs to be more involved for longer.
20 Sam Reid - really missed him last year. Will be really keen to see how he fits into planning and how he may work whether iup forward, in midfield or down back.
21 Ben McGlynn - really needs big year. Still best small forward on list but could be used more in midfield if rotation policy used. Lacks real pace and is sometimes exposed as a consequence.
23 Lance Franklin - do not understand why we needed him, much less for 9 years but I'm sure glad we no longer have the problem of manning up on him.
24 Dane Rampe - showed real promise as a defender, and continued to improve. Hope he can play a more attacking role this year as he is a natural forward.
25 Ted Richards - another outstanding year and clearly one of our key players. Should have more tall support this year with LRT back and maybe Sam Reid, as well.
26 Luke Parker - took a giant step last year adding marking and goal kicking to his already formidable ball winning and tackling skills.
30 Lewis Roberts-Thomson - his loss to side balance cannot be overestimated. His role defensively whether in attack or back is vital. May be his last year.
32 Lewis Jetta - whether injured or lacking drive, last year was a return to the bad old days. Poor conversion and lack of possessions notwithstanding he just didn't look as sharp or switched on. Looking for renewed spark.
33 Brandon Jack - showed enough to recommend patience with Jack jnr. Real pace and good ball sense. Will get another chance probably at Benny's expense.
34 Alex Johnson - has definitely gained weight during rehab but has resumed running and should be back to playing weight soon. Doubt about early availabilty probably April/May.
37 Adam Goodes - also slow to resume full training probably on limited schedule due to importance to team and physio's looking to nurse him through the season injury free.
38 Mike Pyke - with the loss of Mumford, he becomes vital to all planning. Unfortunately he has a history of injuries and is currently still in rehab squad.
39 Heath Grundy - the enigma that is Reg; reliable and honest, tough and quick versus slow delivery and poor decision making, inaccurate disposals and dumb free-kicks. You gotta love him.
40 Nick Smith - best small defender in team. Always gets the job done, rarely beaten.
41 Lloyd Perris (R) - great prospect will get early oppourtunities, very fit and finds the footy, could be very good.
46 Shane Biggs (R) - showed real poise under pressure and deserves more oppourtunities.

Of the remaining players, injuries and form will dictate those most likely to be given an oppourtunity, but IMHO those who should be tried first are:

10 Zak Jones - really good looking prospect. Very focussed in pre-season and has excellent skills. Small but tough. Could be good.
13 Toby Nankervis - has looked very likely on track. Good marking and positioning, kicks well for goal and has good instincts. Fitness may be an issue and with our wealth of talls may have limited oppourtunites.
17 Tommy Walsh - still in rehab group but looks super fit and very intense.
18 Jordan Lockyer - probably last chance. Has not come along as well as some others but doing better on track this pre-season.
19 Tom Derickx - probably first choice as back-up if either Tippett or Pyke goes down. Has looked impressive at training.
22 Dean Towers - will need to improve defensively but looks exciting and could be best long term project.
42 Xavier Richards (R) - liked his efforts in Magoos last year resolute, dependable and had good timing. Could be used more this year.

Cannot but agree with the Rohan assessment ... the Geelong game (sorry ... cameo) is often referenced ... and he has had a bad run with injuries ... but the guy seems to lack the ability to get involved and influence games ... low impact ... just look at the stats ... I don't have them but am comfortable that they paint a pretty ordinary picture. Hope to be proved wrong but have no great expectations.

[swansrob]

He's played a grand total of 27 games and missed a season and half with a broken leg. Let's give the guy a chance

[Ludwig]

Jetta had a great 2012, but he too has often struggled to get into the game at times. The same can be said for Sam Reid. With Gary, the effort is certainly there, and surely he will learn how to have a greater impact with more game experience. With forwards and outside players, it take a bit more time to learn where to position yourself on the field as the play unfolds.

[Auntie.Gerald]

ive always thought of a faster Stevie J when I watch Gary

the ability to do something mercurial out of nothing and both have great kicks that bring crowds to their feet

Gary has the tough job at the height he is and it could be said even harder is the job for the third tall KPDefender on a player like Gazza

I think bit by bit we may see Gaz see some time in the midfield in years to come and lets be honest with Tip, Buddy, Goodes, Reid, Rohan sharing the leads then Gazza has to evolve as do all players in a role like garys

[ernie koala]

Cannot but agree with the Rohan assessment ... the Geelong game (sorry ... cameo) is often referenced ... and he has had a bad run with injuries ... but the guy seems to lack the ability to get involved and influence games ... low impact ... just look at the stats ... I don't have them but am comfortable that they paint a pretty ordinary picture. Hope to be proved wrong but have no great expectations.

I hate to agree with this, but I do to a point. He has plenty of that dreaded stuff called potential, but has not fully impacted a game yet, the way, for example, Jetta has....or Alex Johnson has, or Tom Mitchell has.

Having said that, he needs more games under his belt before a true assessment can be made...I'm cautiously optimistic.

IMO, the biggest issue with Gaz is his reckless style when attacking a contest. Even before his injury I'd often find myself wincing when he attacked a contest.

He seems a ripping bloke. Fingers crossed he has a big year....And future....with the Swans.

[Nico]

Cannot but agree with the Rohan assessment ... the Geelong game (sorry ... cameo) is often referenced ... and he has had a bad run with injuries ... but the guy seems to lack the ability to get involved and influence games ... low impact ... just look at the stats ... I don't have them but am comfortable that they paint a pretty ordinary picture. Hope to be proved wrong but have no great expectations.

This is not personal criticism Gary.....but that is rolled gold dribble. I just can't see how you can make a judgement on the few games he has played. Not that many draftees get a game in their first year and he had about the worst injury in the history of the game.

[Mr Magoo]

This is not personal criticism Gary.....but that is rolled gold dribble. I just can't see how you can make a judgement on the few games he has played. Not that many draftees get a game in their first year and he had about the worst injury in the history of the game.

Isnt it also gold dribble to start talking about the guy as being the next stevie J on that same basis. He is lightning quick no doubt , but he really hasnt had a breakout game yet albeit through extenuating circumstances.

[R-1]

I think we need to see Rohan after a preseason. I'm certain he wasn't 100% in the games he came back for. The club talks pretty highly of him, I think he'll earn and keep a place.

[tasmania60]

He may be training for a permanent tagging role. To compliment Bird.

Really think game might have left him, doesn't have the intentness and determination he once had may be last chance a waste .

[ShockOfHair]

Far too early to judge him. We still don't even know where he should play.
Jude is a huge fan:
Rohan in the running, says Bolton - sydneyswans.com.au (http://m.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2014-01-19/rohan-in-the-running)

[Auntie.Gerald]

Isnt it also gold dribble to start talking about the guy as being the next stevie J on that same basis. He is lightning quick no doubt , but he really hasnt had a breakout game yet albeit through extenuating circumstances.

Bugger

i gave no context !

I did mean to say he reminds me of a young Stevie J..........ie at similar stages of their career but Rohan much quicker

Rohan is 8 years behind Stevie in accomplishments of course

both similar height and weight back at age 22.........both can pull a rabbit out of their hat

both are just as strong as mid sized forwards on the lead as well as at ground level

both very injury prone :hmmm

[graemed]

Since this latest discussion about Rohan seems prompted by my earlier reference may I say that I believe he is an integral player and while there may be comparisons to Stevie J. , personally I would rather compare him to dangerfield. He has similar build, similar pace, intensity of purpose and is very strong in the contest. My earlier comments stand but they are preempt end by the knowledge that till now he has been playing with limited preparation and that this may indeed be his first full preseason.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Dangerfielfd now? Dangerfield is a brute , Garry is similarly quick but I think that's where the comparison ends for me.

[mariachi]

It seems to me that it takes about fifty senior games for most players to find their feet and play to their potential. Rohan is halfway there and may take a bit longer given the injury and time out. But potential? He oozes it...

[Big Al]

According to the Chinese it'll be John Lomgmire who will be under most pressure to perform. They are already having celebrations in advance. Hope he doesn't let them down.

[Bloodlines]

Can't fathom Jetta or ROK worry. Rohan was almost our best in the Preliminary final. Bird was great all year. Same with McGlynn. He is going into the midfield this year A tough tough nut. Goodes of course has to stay fit but even on one leg he is great. Same for LRT. Shaw has lots of competition in that backline. But getting in the first 22 is going to be a tough battle for all players as it should be. I think we sometimes underestimate the depth of our team. We probably have about 28 players who when fit can play. Good place to be.

[Gary]

Prelim Final ... Rohan 6 possessions 2 goals... "almost our best" says Bloodlines ... struggling to be other than hopeful that this fine young man can be a real contributor. Perhaps he didn't play many minutes ... can't remember ... this is typical of the overstatement of what we have barely seen so far.

[Nico]

Gary... what flavour would you like your humble pie to be?

[Gary]

Gary... what flavour would you like your humble pie to be?

Cherry would be fine ... but his success will be enough. Just at this stage he has not shown (as for example) Mitchell did very quickly ... anything like sustained performance in any game he has played. I hope we are all happy as this year proceeds.

[Bloody Hell]

Cherry would be fine ... but his success will be enough. Just at this stage he has not shown (as for example) Mitchell did very quickly ... anything like sustained performance in any game he has played. I hope we are all happy as this year proceeds.

I have never seen a replay of the game he broke his leg in, but his performance in that half of a quarter sticks in my mind.

At the time we had no FF - our forward line was a huge weakness. In that game Rohan started as a sole force leading out of the square. I think he kicked 2 goals? I remember the look on his face when he took the 2nd mark on the lead (he slotted the goal). It was just pure confidence. He knew he had his man beat, and he was going to keep doing it all day...then disaster.

He can jump, take speccy's, he's quick, has great hands, can kick straight, and he's a massive competitor.

He will take Goodes mantle as the Swan who can do it all. I am looking forward to Rohan's year.

[Big Al]

He can jump, take speccy's, he's quick, has great hands, can kick straight, and he's a massive competitor.


Couldn't agree more.

Like Jetta, he won't need to get it 30 times a game to make a profound effect on the contest. A player with that pace,agility and skill is a rare thing in the AFL.

I mention Jetta for another reason. There was a lot humble pie eaten when Jetta realised the potential most of us saw in him. Rohan will do exactly the same while overcoming a great deal more hardship than Jetta had to.

[Mr Magoo]

mmmmm Humble Pie . It always tastes really good when a player from your own team makes you eat it - not so good if they say go to collingwood and do same.

[Gary]

It will be interesting to see how Jesse White comes up at Collingwood ... the old version ... last years improved model ... or something quite amazing ... all are possibilities!
I will watch with interest and wish him well.
Don't like their chances of improving Armstrong (who I think was picked up by them?).

[Dosser]

mmmmm Humble Pie . It always tastes really good when a player from your own team makes you eat it - not so good if they say go to collingwood and do same.

Oh Magoo! You've done it again!

[Industrial Fan]

How about Rohans game as sub vs the Weagles at Subiaco. 1 qtr, circa 12 possessions, outrageous attack on the ball and the game breaker in a huge come from behind victory. To suggest he is all potential is nuff nuff talk.

[DK_]

It will be interesting to see how Jesse White comes up at Collingwood ... the old version ... last years improved model ... or something quite amazing ... all are possibilities!
I will watch with interest and wish him well.
Don't like their chances of improving Armstrong (who I think was picked up by them?).


On a related subject, Quentin Lynch would have to rate as the biggest free agency flop to date. I thought the pies were going to be unstoppable with Cloke and the Q-stick, but all they really did as a team was demonstrate that it's possible to miss a goal while standing on the goal umpires toes. Now everyone is talking about Jesse as an almost certain starter, which I presume means Lynch will be playing out the rest of his contract in the VFL.

[Ludwig]

It will be interesting to see how Jesse White comes up at Collingwood ... the old version ... last years improved model ... or something quite amazing ... all are possibilities!
I will watch with interest and wish him well.
Don't like their chances of improving Armstrong (who I think was picked up by them?).

I was one of those who thought Jesse well and truly turned the corner and think he will have a good year. Same for Dre, as he made some big improvements in his defensive game. But the reality is that neither had much of a chance to crack a healthy Swans' side in 2014. Buddy, Reid, Goodes and Rohan coming into the forward line; AJ, LRT, and Laidler added to the defense. It's hard to see those guys getting a game, but nonetheless, I think they are both good enough to start on 'lesser' teams.

I hope I don't have to eat humble pie, by calling the Pies and Blues lesser teams.

[swansrob]

I have never seen a replay of the game he broke his leg in, but his performance in that half of a quarter sticks in my mind.

At the time we had no FF - our forward line was a huge weakness. In that game Rohan started as a sole force leading out of the square. I think he kicked 2 goals? I remember the look on his face when he took the 2nd mark on the lead (he slotted the goal). It was just pure confidence. He knew he had his man beat, and he was going to keep doing it all day...then disaster.

He can jump, take speccy's, he's quick, has great hands, can kick straight, and he's a massive competitor.

He will take Goodes mantle as the Swan who can do it all. I am looking forward to Rohan's year.

Half a quarter? He broke his leg in the second minute

[Untamed Snark]

Am I the only one that starts singing this when this threads header comes up?
QUEEN & DAVID BOWIE: Under Pressure - YouTube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpn8MANhdLU?)

[Auntie.Gerald]

oh...... im singing

one of my favourite - David Bowie a legend

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better then aussie john..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emutat3_IP0

[Cheer_Cheer]

I can't wait to find out who this years whipping boy(s) is going to be..

[ScottH]

I can't wait to find out who this years whipping boy(s) is going to be..

LF?

[wolftone57]

I can't wait to find out who this years whipping boy(s) is going to be..

It'll be Birdie or Reg as they are the last of the whipping boys left. Jesse & Dre & TDL a year gone already there only remains those two. Poor guys.

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I can't wait to find out who this years whipping boy(s) is going to be..

It'll be Birdie or Reg as they are the last of the whipping boys left. Jesse & Dre & TDL a year gone already there only remains those two. Poor guys.

[jono2707]

It'll be Birdie or Reg as they are the last of the whipping boys left. Jesse & Dre & TDL a year gone already there only remains those two. Poor guys.

If Bird and Reg are the best we can come up with for whipping boys then we are in for a fantastic season....

[Swansongster]

I can't wait to find out who this years whipping boy(s) is going to be..

Maybe Benny? And, of course, LRT is still around to cop a bit of unjust Cat-o'-nine_tails.

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I can't wait to find out who this years whipping boy(s) is going to be..

Maybe Benny? And, of course, LRT is still around to cop a bit of unjust Cat-o'-nine_tails.

[Ludwig]

I can't wait to find out who this years whipping boy(s) is going to be..

Agree with Scott that LF will be a big target. He'll either be a hero or a whipping boy, there's no in between for Buds.

Looks as though Bird is heading for a very good season. He's a solid player and can't imagine him being a whipping boy.

Benny also has been mentioned among those having excellent pre-seasons. I think he has a challenge to hold his spot, but he's certainly giving it go.

Reg was my whipping boy last year. He's a bit like Bird: Not spectacular, but a solid reliable player. I thought last year he had too many error-ridden lacklustre games and would like to see him return to his more consistent performances of 2012.

LRT has graduated from whipping boy contender to R&W legend.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Can you have Reid and LRT playing a swing role ?

I cant say I remember a team moving two key talls from the backs to the forwards in season games?

has worked well for players like Bradshaw and Taylor etc over the years

Many strings to flexible Reid's bow - sydneyswans.com.au (http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2014-01-29/flexible-reid-likely-to-float)

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Can you have Reid and LRT playing a swing role ?

I cant say I remember a team moving two key talls from the backs to the forwards in season games?

has worked well for players like Bradshaw and Taylor etc over the years

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2014-01-29/flexible-reid-likely-to-float

[Ludwig]

Can you have Reid and LRT playing a swing role ?

I cant say I remember a team moving two key talls from the backs to the forwards in season games?

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One that comes to mind is the Dons use of Carlise and Hurley, although I don't remember the specifics of times they might have switched roles during games.

I have often thought about a strategy of using LRT and Reid in planned tactical role switching during the course of play. For example, LRT starts in defence and Reid at forward, when we move the ball forward on the rebound, LRT moves with the play and Reid moves up ground and may partake in the play in the midfield. But then Reid continues back to cover LRT's man and LRT continues forward filling Reid's role. This can be done on a regular basis throughout the game. I think it could be very confusing for the opposition matchups and could easily result in having a free man in the forward line, much like Harry Taylor gets free when he wanders forward unexpectedly.

[Matt80]

One that comes to mind is the Dons use of Carlise and Hurley, although I don't remember the specifics of times they might have switched roles during games.

I have often thought about a strategy of using LRT and Reid in planned tactical role switching during the course of play. For example, LRT starts in defence and Reid at forward, when we move the ball forward on the rebound, LRT moves with the play and Reid moves up ground and may partake in the play in the midfield. But then Reid continues back to cover LRT's man and LRT continues forward filling Reid's role. This can be done on a regular basis throughout the game. I think it could be very confusing for the opposition matchups and could easily result in having a free man in the forward line, much like Harry Taylor gets free when he wanders forward unexpectedly.

I think positions will run out!

In the forward line the three starting talls are Tippett, Reid, Goodes (if he gets up). Rohan is 4th running tall

The two best tall defenders are Richards and Grundy. There is room for one more tall which will either be LRT or Reid. Alex Johnson will put pressure on for that tall 3rd defender spot during the 2nd half of the season. Rampe is comfortably the 4th tall.

Only one of LRT, Reid and Johnson can play presuming no body is injured.

Having said that our depth of talls may be handy with injuries.

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I think positions will run out!

In the forward line the three starting talls are Tippett, Reid, Goodes (if he gets up). Rohan is 4th running tall

The two best tall defenders are Richards and Grundy. There is room for one more tall which will either be LRT or Reid. Alex Johnson will put pressure on for that tall 3rd defender spot during the 2nd half of the season. Rampe is comfortably the 4th tall.

Only one of LRT, Reid and Johnson can play presuming no body is injured.

Having said that our depth of talls may be handy with injuries.

Sorry I meant the three starting talls are Tippett, Buddy and Goodes!

[Ludwig]

I think positions will run out!
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Sorry I meant the three starting talls are Tippett, Buddy and Goodes!

Remember that Tippett will be rotating through the ruck this year. You can have Tippett, Buddy, Goodes, Pyke and Reid playing roughly 80% game time each, so you always have 4 of the 5 on the field throughout the game. And you have the option of Reid dropping back if need be, when extra tall coverage is required, because we really don't have a tall defence.

Richards is the only certainty for tall defenders, but I would think Reg and AJ would be the likely 2 others. LRT, as great as he is, may be the man in reserve, but I have no qualms about him playing ahead of Reg. I can't see Reid being left out if fit. Horse loves him.

But you are right that the depth is looking pretty good. Some good words mentioned about Xav and Allir has me thinking that we have the defence covered longer term as well.

Buddy, Goodes and Reid are all super-athletic talls and can (and have) had runs through the midfield as well. I can't remember a side having 3 tall forwards with such speed and agility. Awesome!

[wolftone57]

ive always thought of a faster Stevie J when I watch Gary

the ability to do something mercurial out of nothing and both have great kicks that bring crowds to their feet

Gary has the tough job at the height he is and it could be said even harder is the job for the third tall KPDefender on a player like Gazza

I think bit by bit we may see Gaz see some time in the midfield in years to come and lets be honest with Tip, Buddy, Goodes, Reid, Rohan sharing the leads then Gazza has to evolve as do all players in a role like garys

If he takes Stevie J's lead he will become very much a fast crumbing forward who can also get on the lead. Two string bow.

[wolftone57]

Cherry would be fine ... but his success will be enough. Just at this stage he has not shown (as for example) Mitchell did very quickly ... anything like sustained performance in any game he has played. I hope we are all happy as this year proceeds.

Gary I don't think you can compare him to Mitchell. Mitchell is a mid and of course has much more chance to accumulate. Rohan is a forward and if you look at stats of forwards not many of them are pushing 20 possies, except Lukie Parker when he played forward in the Final against Carlton. The average possies for our forwards are thus; Benny 13.29, Jesse 12.67, Reid 10.80, Tippett 10.75, Lamb 9.83, BJ 7.56 & Rohan 5.00. so all in all at this time forwards at the Swans do not rate highly in possies but with Rohan coming off his horrific injury and being not match conditioned I think he did all right. The problem was he probably should have been getting his match conditioning for a bit longer in the Twos. I was one for getting him back as quick as possible and after seeing him play at seniors level realised just how far off match conditioning and ball handling he was.

[Captain]

Richards is the only certainty for tall defenders, but I would think Reg and AJ would be the likely 2 others. LRT, as great as he is, may be the man in reserve, but I have no qualms about him playing ahead of Reg.

Richards and Reg are our 2 key defenders. They are easily the best and this won't change.

LRT is ahead of AJ.

Also, it is going to take AJ time to come back from his knee, so wouldn't be placing much reliance on him this year.

Rampe would be 4th key defender. Can only see him playing if one of the above is injured (based on AJ and LRT's record, a scenario quite likely).

[Ludwig]

Richards and Reg are our 2 key defenders. They are easily the best and this won't change.

LRT is ahead of AJ.

Also, it is going to take AJ time to come back from his knee, so wouldn't be placing much reliance on him this year.

Rampe would be 4th key defender. Can only see him playing if one of the above is injured (based on AJ and LRT's record, a scenario quite likely).

Our structure was thrown off last year due to injuries, but we are likely to go back to the our more traditional look (2012) when we had Ted, Reg, AJ and Mattner as the defensive backbone. I think AJ will play ahead of LRT when fit, as he brings attack and athleticism to the tall brigade, and is also a future mainstay of the defence.

Laidler hasn't been talked about much, but I think he will by vying for that 'Mattner' slot held by Rampe last year. Laidler is probably more solid defensively, but Rampe has speed, and will be hard to leave out of the team if he improves from his impressive 2013.

Reid, LRT, Rampe, Shaw and Benny all seem to be best 22, but somehow it's hard to see who goes out when they go in. I've got 25 in our best 22, which of course doesn't fit, and another half dozen that should be pushing hard for selection.

[liz]

Reid, LRT, Rampe, Shaw and Benny all seem to be best 22, but somehow it's hard to see who goes out when they go in. I've got 25 in our best 22, which of course doesn't fit, and another half dozen that should be pushing hard for selection.

With our 9.8% advantage we have over everyone else, don't we get to field an extra two players each game?

[liz]

Reid, LRT, Rampe, Shaw and Benny all seem to be best 22, but somehow it's hard to see who goes out when they go in. I've got 25 in our best 22, which of course doesn't fit, and another half dozen that should be pushing hard for selection.

With our 9.8% advantage we have over everyone else, don't we get to field an extra two players each game?

[aardvark]

With our 9.8% advantage we have over everyone else, don't we get to field an extra two players each game?

That's an extra 2.156 players so we get 2 players plus Benny McGlynn.:wink:

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With our 9.8% advantage we have over everyone else, don't we get to field an extra two players each game?

That's an extra 2.156 players so we get 2 players plus Benny McGlynn.:wink:

[wolftone57]

Richards and Reg are our 2 key defenders. They are easily the best and this won't change.

LRT is ahead of AJ.

Also, it is going to take AJ time to come back from his knee, so wouldn't be placing much reliance on him this year.



Rampe would be 4th key defender. Can only see him playing if one of the above is injured (based on AJ and LRT's record, a scenario quite likely).

AJ had LAARS and will be ready for round one according to the club. He might not play seniors in round one so he can get as much match practice in the Twos before returning to the seniors but he should be back in seniors by May.

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Richards and Reg are our 2 key defenders. They are easily the best and this won't change.

LRT is ahead of AJ.

Also, it is going to take AJ time to come back from his knee, so wouldn't be placing much reliance on him this year.



Rampe would be 4th key defender. Can only see him playing if one of the above is injured (based on AJ and LRT's record, a scenario quite likely).

AJ had LAARS and will be ready for round one according to the club. He might not play seniors in round one so he can get as much match practice in the Twos before returning to the seniors but he should be back in seniors by May.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Out of our first 4 picks ( perhaps only 4, not sure) in the 2012 draft, not one has played a senior game yet. Not too unusual , but Towers was taken as a 22 year old, and the club must have hoped he would be ready to jump in and make an impact almost immediately. He's had a whole season on the list and still doesn't appear likely to make an appearance in the 1's any time soon, which is made more disappointing considering how many spots opened up due to injury last year. Must be under a bit of pressure to justify retaining his spot on the list if he can't crack it for a debut soon. Brown and Lockyer ( class of 2011) must also be wanting to show something this year to justify keeping their spots on the list, although I don't believe they are under the same pressure as Towers.

[Reggi]

In truth we cough up an enormous amount of young talent as there are too many guys in front of them. Some of those guys just have two many players ahead of them. They might be getting games ahead of other guys.

We must have almost 20x former players on other clubs lists which is some record

[liz]

Brown and Lockyer ( class of 2011) must also be wanting to show something this year to justify keeping their spots on the list, although I don't believe they are under the same pressure as Towers.

Brown was delisted at the end of 2013.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Well that settles that one then !

[Ludwig]

The 2012 PSD with Tippett and the rookie draft produced the most promising players. BJ and X have already had games, plus Lloyd and Robinson played well enough to get games for many clubs.

It seems like in the reserves, the topups get a bit more space and the listed players get tagged. Maybe a Towers or Membrey would do better in the seniors than the reserves. All 4 of the picks have shown something, but difficult to say if it's enough to make it at senior level.

They all must be under pressure, because a few will have to go at y.e.

[jono2707]

They all must be under pressure, because a few will have to go at y.e.

I guess it also depends how many out of ROK, Goodsey, LRT and Rhys retire, or get pushed out, at the end of the year.....

[Ludwig]

I guess it also depends how many out of ROK, Goodsey, LRT and Rhys retire, or get pushed out, at the end of the year.....

Unless they've changed the rules again, there will also be rookie list pressure, because I believe we can only have one 3rd year rookie. This would mean that Biggs would have to be elevated or be delisted, plus only one of Lloyd, Robinson, X Richards and Naismith can become a 3rd year rookie next year, meaning 3 will be in a similar position to Biggs. We could, I suppose, delist a couple and redraft them as rookies, as it would be unlikely that they would be drafted by another club.