#AFL Finals week 3 weekly discussion thread

[barry]

My Predictions for Week 3.

Richmond will have won the game by 1/2 time, and coast to victory. No Hawkins, No Geelong


Giants will win by 30. Collingwood is seriously overrated. (However, if Giants select Lauchie Keefe, I reverse this prediction)


I also predict that Toby Greene will get off tonight, based on a number of factors:
1) Giants are lawyering up, so its a legal battle rather than the opinion of a few ex collingwood players.
2) The Faux outrage against Toby has died down a bit.
3) The AFL will see that losing Whitfield is enough of a disadvantage, they dont need to introduce their own.
If Greene's bid fails, I will self-impose a weeks ban for myself on RWO, because I will have lost the capacity for rational thought. (Sheeple, save yourself the trouble of typing a predictable response)

[erica]

My Predictions for Week 3.

I also predict that Toby Greene will get off tonight, based on a number of factors:
1) Giants are lawyering up, so its a legal battle rather than the opinion of a few ex collingwood players.
2) The Faux outrage against Toby has died down a bit.
3) The AFL will see that losing Whitfield is enough of a disadvantage, they dont need to introduce their own.
If Greene's bid fails, I will self-impose a weeks ban for myself on RWO, because I will have lost the capacity for rational thought. (Sheeple, save yourself the trouble of typing a predictable response)

Greene's appeal is likely to get up but the only thing consistent about the AFL is its inconsistency so anything could happen.

[AnnieH]

Little grubby will be watching from the sidelines this week. The outrage if they let him play will ruin the AFL.

Wobbles/GW$ = even less interesting that last year's granny.

[KTigers]

Greene's appeal is likely to get up but the only thing consistent about the AFL is its inconsistency so anything could happen.

I would like to see the tribunal members impose a week's ban on themselves. Their reputation, already in tatters, won't survive
yet another week of disasters so they may as well give themselves the week off. And whatever happens in the prelims happens.

[Hotpotato]

Cricket umps aren’t even allowed to be from any of the countries involved.
Two ex Collingwood players on the tribunal. They may as well have had
Eddie McGuire and T. Shaw on the panel.
T. Greene should be playing. I hope he does.
The Pies win easily if he doesn’t.
The Cats won’t see which way The Tigers went, September cool composed specialists.

[jono2707]

Go the Pies.

(Feels like choosing Ebola over the Plague)

[Melbourne_Blood]

Greene's appeal is likely to get up but the only thing consistent about the AFL is its inconsistency so anything could happen.

I wouldn’t say it is likely to be honest. Very uncommon for tribunal verdicts to be overturned in the appeals process.


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[stevoswan]

I wouldn’t say it is likely to be honest. Very uncommon for tribunal verdicts to be overturned in the appeals process.


That is indeed true....but in this case, if they stick to the evidence and law and ignore public opinion, which is what made them feel safe handing out this ridiculous verdict and penalty in the first place, this charge will rightly be thrown out.

I think most sensible people can see that the first decision was grossly flawed on the evidence available and given. The tribunal also made a mistake the week before, when they should have suspended Green but didn't, for the Bont incident, which was far worse than the Neale one.....but that incident and penalty should be completely irrelevant now to tonights decision.

I can't help but think the first tribunal hearing had last weeks Bont incident 'mistake' firmly in their minds when they adjudicated this week.....and they shouldn't have.

[Melbourne_Blood]

That is indeed true....but in this case, if they stick to the evidence and law and ignore public opinion, which is what made them feel safe handing out this ridiculous verdict and penalty in the first place, this charge will rightly be thrown out.

I think most sensible people can see that the first decision was grossly flawed on the evidence available and given. The tribunal also made a mistake the week before, when they should have suspended Green but didn't, for the Bont incident, which was far worse than the Neale one.....but that incident and penalty should be completely irrelevant now to tonights decision.

I can't help but think the first tribunal hearing had last weeks Bont incident 'mistake' firmly in their minds when they adjudicated this week.....and they shouldn't have.

I was of the same view earlier in the week , but the Neale incident has a pretty damning “ money shot “ ( Nathan Buckley’s words ) that was lacking in the Bont incident , even though that seemed much worse . And it’s that shot I believe they have based their case on, and it’s hard to argue with . They have charged him with making unnecessary contact to the eyes and they have pretty clear footage of exactly that. Especially as he was accused of a very similar thing in the previous week. Hard to argue accidental when the form is there . Neales testimony obviously taken with a grain of salt and so it should , players always look after each other at the tribunal . and especially when a finals berth is on the line.

It’s his own stupid fault, his stupidity is likely going to cost his team a fair dinkum crack in a prelim and shot at making a maiden GF. He should feel terrible for being such a grub and a twit and letting down his teammates , coach and ‘fans’.


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[stevoswan]

It's official....Greene won't play this weekend.

From the live feed:

"It's official - Toby Greene will NOT play in Saturday's preliminary final. The AFL Appeals Board has rejected his last-ditch bid to free his name."

Off to court now?

[0918330512]

It's official....Greene won't play this weekend.

From the live feed:

"It's official - Toby Greene will NOT play in Saturday's preliminary final. The AFL Appeals Board has rejected his last-ditch bid to free his name."

Off to court now?
He should have got an extra week for wasting everyone’s time

Justice is finally served

Now if Collingwood can just get up (with 22 injuries or suspensions - not fussed either way occurring during the game), it’ll finally be a good result in September!

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Cricket umps aren’t even allowed to be from any of the countries involved.
Two ex Collingwood players on the tribunal. They may as well have had
Eddie McGuire and T. Shaw on the panel.
T. Greene should be playing. I hope he does.
The Pies win easily if he doesn’t.
The Cats won’t see which way The Tigers went, September cool composed specialists.

Williams is probably more a Swan than a Pie

[Thunder Shaker]

My tips for the prelims: the Ferals and the Filth.

The Ferals will have the benefit of the week off, and the Handbags haven't won two games in a row since their bye.

The Filth will be going up against the Fums, a side that has only won at the MCG three times and have never won a final there.

The Magpie Train.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds_dNFd7dyk

[Hotpotato]

Lots of great lines in that catchy ditty .

[Velour&Ruffles]

It’s his own stupid fault, his stupidity is likely going to cost his team a fair dinkum crack in a prelim and shot at making a maiden GF. He should feel terrible for being such a grub and a twit and letting down his teammates , coach and ‘fans’.


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Spot on.
I for one hope GWS lose by one point, so it inarguable that this vile little germ cost his team a GF berth and possibly a flag.

[goswannies]

Spot on.
I for one hope GWS lose by one point, so it inarguable that this vile little germ cost his team a GF berth and possibly a flag.

Greene expressed “remorse” during his previous guilty finding. Was there any remorse this time?

[Hotpotato]

He just stated that he was disappointed.
Dermot thought he shouldn’t lose a week and was at a loss to see any action that warranted it : “he didn’t strike him, he didn’t eye gauge , he didn’t belt his head into the ground, so what was the week for?”
Dunstall reckoned he should not have put himself in the position yet again.

I don’t think they have much hope without him, nor do the bookies .

[Blood Fever]

Spot on.
I for one hope GWS lose by one point, so it inarguable that this vile little germ cost his team a GF berth and possibly a flag.

Embarrassing and unjust verdict given that it was emphasised that the case was stand alone.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Embarrassing and unjust verdict given that it was emphasised that the case was stand alone.

Are you happy with a player getting off who has tried to claw his hand ( as in made a claw action with his hands ) over the eye of a player on the bottom of a pack , a player with no means to defend himself ? I’m not . He’s behaved like a dirty rat and even if you separate the two , the footage shows a claw action raking over the eye of a buried player . Bye Toby, enjoy mad Monday ! Maybe dress as cat woman [emoji250]


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[stevoswan]

Tonight's decision re: Greene has probably just delayed GWS's exit from the finals by a week anyway. He should have got a week for the Bontempelli incident and without him, GWS do not beat Brisbane last weekend.....and we'd all be looking forward to the tantilising clash of Lions v Magpies.....2002/3 anyone?

No doubt Greene has largely bought this on himself but the AFL, via their inept tribunal, have really stuffed this one up.

[dejavoodoo44]

Since Greene started his career in 2012, he has been charged 18 times. From these, he has been suspended for seven matches and racked up $26,350 in fines. I'm sure that for many of these, the familiar arguments would've been run: there was limited contact, there was no malice involved, it really was out of character, it was just an unfortunate accident, blah, blah, blah, blah. Strange, the majority of players, many of whom probably have less talent and coordination than Greene, go through their entire careers, without having even one of those unfortunate accidents.

[707]

Greene expressed “remorse” during his previous guilty finding. Was there any remorse this time?Remorse? never seen such false remorse, not an ounce of remorse in Toby Greene for any of his disgraceful acts on and off the footy field.

I too hope GWS go down by a very narrow margin just to rub it in.

We know the public face of GWS on this matter but they must be livid that Greene keeps doing these things.

[Blood Fever]

Tonight's decision re: Greene has probably just delayed GWS's exit from the finals by a week anyway. He should have got a week for the Bontempelli incident and without him, GWS do not beat Brisbane last weekend.....and we'd all be looking forward to the tantilising clash of Lions v Magpies.....2002/3 anyone?

No doubt Greene has largely bought this on himself but the AFL, via their inept tribunal, have really stuffed this one up.

They have a genius for stuffing things up. You could have an endless Utopia type tv series based on the AFL.

[AnnieH]

My Predictions for Week 3.
If Greene's bid fails, I will self-impose a weeks ban for myself on RWO, because I will have lost the capacity for rational thought. (Sheeple, save yourself the trouble of typing a predictable response)

Barry?
Are you there?
Where are you Barry?
Baaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrryyyyyyyy.
Coooooooo-eeeeeeeeeeeee.

BWA HA HA HA HA
I bloody-well told you that high contact is against the rules, especially when you do it deliberately.
See ya next Tuesday.

[KTigers]

Tonight's decision re: Greene has probably just delayed GWS's exit from the finals by a week anyway. He should have got a week for the Bontempelli incident and without him, GWS do not beat Brisbane last weekend.....and we'd all be looking forward to the tantilising clash of Lions v Magpies.....2002/3 anyone?

No doubt Greene has largely bought this on himself but the AFL, via their inept tribunal, have really stuffed this one up.

There is of course the 2005 premiership which we wouldn't have if the tribunal hadn't given another repeat offender (Bazza) a
free pass for belting Maguire in the prelim...
I've been around long enough to remember the Swans chartering a flight of QCs down to Melbourne to explain the unfortunate mix up
between Andrew Dunkley's fingers and James Hird's face in the 96 Prelim, and the photos of Hird's mug wearing his Brownlow
that week.
I keep saying. This high horse thing. It's pretty slippery up there.

[Hotpotato]

What a circus.
We had one, Barry Hall, nice bloke, short fuse.
10 matches.
Toby’s act last week, inconclusive, should be playing.

[KTigers]

Barry?
Are you there?
Where are you Barry?
Baaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrryyyyyyyy.
Coooooooo-eeeeeeeeeeeee.

BWA HA HA HA HA
I bloody-well told you that high contact is against the rules, especially when you do it deliberately.
See ya next Tuesday.

I think Barry's point is that the tribunal is so inconsistent they may as well call it a day. High contact?
is it really against the rules? Depends on which day of the week it is. Ablett Jnr would probably say no,
and the MRP agreed with him... 3 times.

[jono2707]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer team. And Whitfield out to boot.
Poor loves.
Go Pies.

[Thunder Shaker]

The Tribunal process is so opaque now.

When they brought in the points and gradings, it made the system easy to understand. Everyone could understand what it meant to have 93.75 points on a player's record for 12 months or how penalties for bad records applied.

Now? That's gone and with it the consistency. A player like Greene could go up 18 times in eight years and get off with fine after fine. How does that even work?

[Bloods05]

There is of course the 2005 premiership which we wouldn't have if the tribunal hadn't given another repeat offender (Bazza) a
free pass for belting Maguire in the prelim...
I've been around long enough to remember the Swans chartering a flight of QCs down to Melbourne to explain the unfortunate mix up
between Andrew Dunkley's fingers and James Hird's face in the 96 Prelim, and the photos of Hird's mug wearing his Brownlow
that week.
I keep saying. This high horse thing. It's pretty slippery up there.

It's nothing to do with the moral high ground. It's a simple matter of right and wrong. It was wrong that Barry Hall got off in 2005, but I'm bloody glad he did because we won the flag. Yes, that's inconsistent. As Oscar Wilde once said, consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

It was wrong that Toby Greene got off after the Bontempelli incident. It was right that his appeal failed. I'm glad about that because Toby is a dirty player, and GWS are a manufactured team without a soul, and I don't like them.

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The Tribunal process is so opaque now.

When they brought in the points and gradings, it made the system easy to understand. Everyone could understand what it meant to have 93.75 points on a player's record for 12 months or how penalties for bad records applied.

Now? That's gone and with it the consistency. A player like Greene could go up 18 times in eight years and get off with fine after fine. How does that even work?

Absolutely right, I see it the same way. There has always been inconsistency, but it is now literally impossible to predict. But this time they got it right.

[Sandrevan]

Princess Toby finally got a suspension. I thought he would get off. He should have been suspended for his attack on Bont and his actions against Neale was much less severe. It just shows the stupidity of the tribunal system. But princess Toby isn't the first to exploit the situation.

Ablett, Rance, Cotchin

Mick Malthouse was spot on earlier today on the radio when he said the system was 'Club Centric' and 'player centric'.

For the games..

I don't like Richmond but I can't see them being beaten by Geelong.
GWS v Magpies - I would like GWS to win but can't see it happening losing both Princess Toby and Whitfield.

The AFL will support GWS to a point (the Bont incident) but the old boys club wants an all Melbourne GF. Collingwood vs Richmond is very good for business.

[stevoswan]

The AFL will support GWS to a point (the Bont incident) but the old boys club wants an all Melbourne GF. Collingwood vs Richmond is very good for business.

So they get rid of a real threat to Collingwood (Brisbane) by allowing Greene to play against the Lions.....we can't have an 'interstate fairytale'.:rolleyes:

[Mel_C]

I'm at the game tonight. Surrounded by ferals!!

[Velour&Ruffles]

There is of course the 2005 premiership which we wouldn't have if the tribunal hadn't given another repeat offender (Bazza) a
free pass for belting Maguire in the prelim...
I've been around long enough to remember the Swans chartering a flight of QCs down to Melbourne to explain the unfortunate mix up
between Andrew Dunkley's fingers and James Hird's face in the 96 Prelim, and the photos of Hird's mug wearing his Brownlow
that week.
I keep saying. This high horse thing. It's pretty slippery up there.

You may've been around too long, rather than long enough, because your memory has failed you on a couple of vital facts in these scenarios. It's bad enough copping this crap from other supporters, let alone Swans fans themselves getting it wrong.

First, Barry Hall was NOT given a free pass. He was NOT cleared. He WAS found guilty. He was given a week. Under the rules at the time - which applied to everyone - he got a week's discount because of the length of time he'd been "clean" (hard to believe given what happened 2006 onwards but for the previous 4 years he had been a model citizen). So comparisons of 2005 Baz to Toby Greene are way, way off.

Second, Dunkley wasn't even CITED until the Wednesday of Grand Final week! We were in effect denied any of the usual ability to prepare a defence and appeal in a timely fashion, plus having all those processes going on would have meant we'd have been unsettled right up to game day. It was mindbogglingly incompetent mismanagement by the AFL and they absolutely deserved to be taken to court. The little grub Greene had effectively already had one of his appeals heard 24 hours before Dunkley was even cited. Again, a totally different situation.

I know there is a lot of revisionist history about us now, largely sponsored by that fat multi-chinned @@@@@, but no need to add misinformed weight to his David Irving efforts.

[Mel_C]

Good end to the quarter by the cats. It's kept the Richmond supporters around me quiet for now. Hopefully the cats can keep it up.

[Faunac8]

Pretty high quality game played at speed and enjoyable to watch.
Meyers is having a great game and has some confidence for a first year player. We have some work to do in the offseason to catch up to skill level and speed that the top teams are capable of. But I still feel confident we are headed in the right direction.

[Mel_C]

The pressure by Geelong as well as the perceived pressure is causing Richmond to turn the ball over. I can't remember the last time their skills were so bad...especially Dusty.

[stevoswan]

Geelong were great in the second but Richmond are making a statement now. Cats must steady and regain momentum....

[KTigers]

You may've been around too long, rather than long enough, because your memory has failed you on a couple of vital facts in these scenarios. It's bad enough copping this crap from other supporters, let alone Swans fans themselves getting it wrong.

First, Barry Hall was NOT given a free pass. He was NOT cleared. He WAS found guilty. He was given a week. Under the rules at the time - which applied to everyone - he got a week's discount because of the length of time he'd been "clean" (hard to believe given what happened 2006 onwards but for the previous 4 years he had been a model citizen). So comparisons of 2005 Baz to Toby Greene are way, way off.

Second, Dunkley wasn't even CITED until the Wednesday of Grand Final week! We were in effect denied any of the usual ability to prepare a defence and appeal in a timely fashion, plus having all those processes going on would have meant we'd have been unsettled right up to game day. It was mindbogglingly incompetent mismanagement by the AFL and they absolutely deserved to be taken to court. The little grub Greene had effectively already had one of his appeals heard 24 hours before Dunkley was even cited. Again, a totally different situation.

I know there is a lot of revisionist history about us now, largely sponsored by that fat multi-chinned @@@@@, but no need to add misinformed weight to his David Irving efforts.

David I***** ? Not sure that name should ever be mentioned anywhere.

Re Barry Hall ; wasn't he suspended in 2002 for five weeks for eye gouging Mathew Primus.

[Mel_C]

Hmm it's turned around in the 3rd quarter. Richmond with all the pressure and Geelong turning the ball over. Richmond have all the confidence now.

[KTigers]

Hmm it's turned around in the 3rd quarter. Richmond with all the pressure and Geelong turning the ball over. Richmond have all the confidence now.

Pretty good game. Time for the Danger to step up. Go Cats.

[Velour&Ruffles]

David I***** ? Not sure that name should ever be mentioned anywhere.

Re Barry Hall ; wasn't he suspended in 2002 for five weeks for eye gouging Mathew Primus.

So he was. So he was only clean for the previous 3.5 seasons rather than 4. Not sure that changes the analysis (given 3 seasons was the tipping point for the discount rule). And over his last 3.5 seasons that little slime has had 11 (yes 11) convictions at the tribunal. I'm still pretty comfortable with my point that 2005 Baz and 2019 Greene are not the same thing.

[0918330512]

Well that sucked. Do you think Hawkins might have been worth 4 goals tonight?

[stevoswan]

Well that sucked. Do you think Hawkins might have been worth 4 goals tonight?

Tom would be feeling pretty stupid right now......

[Blood Fever]

Pretty good game. Time for the Danger to step up. Go Cats.

Danger did not fire a shot after half time when most needed. Not for the first time in a big game.

[aardvark]

Ah the Handbaggers, never fail to disappoint. I wonder if that was Ablett's last game? The look on Hawkins face at the end said it all. He will never get over that.

[Hotpotato]

Don’t forget Tigers we’re missing Rance.
The Tigers fans must all rob empty homes to have the money to attend all their games and finals and afford all their T-bones.
They put on a show .

[Blood Fever]

The Tribunal process is so opaque now.

When they brought in the points and gradings, it made the system easy to understand. Everyone could understand what it meant to have 93.75 points on a player's record for 12 months or how penalties for bad records applied.

Now? That's gone and with it the consistency. A player like Greene could go up 18 times in eight years and get off with fine after fine. How does that even work?

It's a reflection of society in general and the AFL in particular, that the following conflicts of interests occurred in the Toby Greene case leading into the Preliminary Final against Collingwood:

The person who laid the charge and imposed the one week ban played all his long career at Collingwood, including the 1990 flag. Two members of the first tribunal were ex Collingwood players. One of them played in the 1990 flag as well. This same person was actually interviewed on TV in the Collingwood rooms after the game enthusiastically talking up their chances in the Preliminary Final. Even if all these people are as straight as a die, it used to be that if there was only a hint of a possible conflict of interest, then somebody else without any hint of a conflict would take their place. No wonder GWS are seething, especially with the Collingwood president being the king of conflicts of interests. Giants CEO has called this out in the press, basically hinting at corruption. AFL have said they won't fine him for his comments which is astonishing in itself. Absolute circus.

[chalbilto]

It's a reflection of society in general and the AFL in particular, that the following conflicts of interests occurred in the Toby Greene case leading into the Preliminary Final against Collingwood:

The person who laid the charge and imposed the one week ban played all his long career at Collingwood, including the 1990 flag. Two members of the first tribunal were ex Collingwood players. One of them played in the 1990 flag as well. This same person was actually interviewed on TV in the Collingwood rooms after the game enthusiastically talking up their chances in the Preliminary Final. Even if all these people are as straight as a die, it used to be that if there was only a hint of a possible conflict of interest, then somebody else without any hint of a conflict would take their place. No wonder GWS are seething, especially with the Collingwood president being the king of conflicts of interests. Giants CEO has called this out in the press, basically hinting at corruption. AFL have said they won't fine him for his comments which is astonishing in itself. Absolute circus.

Maybe so for now, but the AFL is very vindictive and no doubt down the track will penalize GWS, eg. the action they took with the trade restrictions imposed on the Swans a few years ago even though they did nothing wrong and abided by the rules!

[stevoswan]

Former Suns running around last night.....Lynch, Prestia, Caddy and Ablett.....add to that all the other high GC draft picks now playing south of the NSW border.:hmmm

Poor Suns....gifted a chance to succeed by the AFL then slowly reamed by the AFL's FA rules.....and who gains? Victorian power clubs.:frown

[KTigers]

Former Suns running around last night.....Lynch, Prestia, Caddy and Ablett.....add to that all the other high GC draft picks now playing south of the NSW border.:hmmm


Yes, I heard one of the commentators going on about how great that was....

[stevoswan]

Yes, I heard one of the commentators going on about how great that was....

Yeah, me too.....they just can't hide their dumb bias. Like the AFL, they feel safe in the knowledge that their voice represents the heartland of the footy league and that most viewers don't even see it's inequities.....or if they do, are happy for it to be this way.

I used to be one of them....as a Swans fan, when the Swans first went to Sydney, if we didn't win it, I didn't want the cup leaving Victoria.....now I want it to leave Victoria every year.:tongue:

[Mel_C]

There are more GWS supporters here at the MCG than turn up to the SCG!

[Mel_C]

Looks like Davis is injured. GWS don't have much luck.

I think GWS have done well to stop the Pies running game. They have to stop giving away frees though.

[Blue Sun]

Good kick, Cameron. Hoping the Giants win today.

[Blood Fever]

Good kick, Cameron. Hoping the Giants win today.

Umps doing GWS no favours

[Hotpotato]

Frees
15 - 8
Pies

[Mel_C]

Umps doing GWS no favours
Yes I agree. They should have had a holding the ball free right in front. However, Mumford has to control himself and stop giving away unnecessary frees.

It's actually interesting watching as a neutral with an unbiased view and listening to the sooking from the Pies supporters after every contest when they don't get a free.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Wow. Pies in big trouble. Such a shame 😆

[S.S. Bleeder]

Yes I agree. They should have had a holding the ball free right in front. However, Mumford has to control himself and stop giving away unnecessary frees.

It's actually interesting watching as a neutral with an unbiased view and listening to the sooking from the Pies supporters after every contest when they don't get a free.

The Collingwood players aren't much better than their supporters. They claim deliberate OOB every single time.

[Sandridge]

Sheesh, could the commentators sound more disappointed??

[Hotpotato]

Mummy has done a lot of really smart little taps, knock on , slaps to advantage .

[0918330512]

Wow. Pies in big trouble. Such a shame 😆

Collingwood, you make it so easy to hate you! The one and only time in my entire life I’ve ever wanted you to win and you can’t even do that right?!

The only good thing about this game is seeing the fat man seething in the grandstand

[Mel_C]

What a quarter by the Giants. Will be interesting if they can keep it up or if they will tire, especially with Collingwood having the week off.

[Mel_C]

OMG the Collingwood supporters are leaving!!! It might only be my brother and I left shortly.

[0918330512]

What a quarter by the Giants. Will be interesting if they can keep it up or if they will tire, especially with Collingwood having the week off.
Collingwood had 2 weeks off coz they sure as cr@p aren’t out there today

[Sandridge]

Commentators really, really wanting the Pies to come back.

[Faunac8]

Doesn’t sound like they have left

[Mel_C]

Wow did they make a big mistake with the review? The radio is saying that the Collingwood goal was a clear touch. Could be costly to the Giants. The Pies have the momentum now...only 2 goals behind.

[Faunac8]

Darcy Moore showing why we expressed so much interest in him

[stevoswan]

The Giants are panicking.....I was ready to celebrate Collingwoods demise, now I'm not so sure.

The 'touched' goal was an inexcusable mistake by the 'powers that be' in the 'bunker'. If the Magpies win by less than a goal......:hmmmm2:

[stevoswan]

Never thought I'd say this but.....I am a happy man! Well done Giants.....:clap:

[Faunac8]

Great finish kudos to the pies for the fight back but no denying the interlopers deserved to win.

[stellation]

Wonderful! Well done Giants!

Amazing effort from Mummy for those last couple of minutes.

[Daisi]

Conspiracy theory - there was a sign outside Giants stadium saying 'Giants on their way to the grand final' and the radio commentator said 'I think they put it up a bit early" ...hahaha

[MattW]

Yep, well done Giants. Gutsed it out.

How can they not have a camera on the goal line?

Go Tiges next week.

[Hotpotato]

I’m rapt for our other Sydney team .....
really proud of them . Toby plays .

[dejavoodoo44]

Never thought I'd say this but.....I am a happy man! Well done Giants.....:clap:

Yeah, at the start of the game I didn't care who won, but in the end, I was glad that the Pies fell short. They did seem to get the benefit of some dodgy calls. Nice to see McGuire stomping off, as well.
Zac Williams was huge and Nick Haynes as an amazing defender. Mummy was important late, when he managed to curb Grundy's growing influence.

[Thunder Shaker]

Fantastic win by the Fums. Now they're off to face the Ferals in the GF.

[dejavoodoo44]

Yep, well done Giants. Gutsed it out.

How can they not have a camera on the goal line?

Go Tiges next week.

I think they did, but for some reason, they were going with the other angles?

[mcs]

Suck it Eddie and Pies...

[Hotpotato]

The big surprise was the Giants
played the ball.
No reports .

[stellation]

I have to admit- after that touched Collingwood goal was somehow not overturned (which is insane) I was fuming, and when the siren went I shouted "Yes!" and then "@@@@ you, Victoria!"

[Sandridge]

Suck it Eddie and Pies...

Lovely to see him stomping off and red faced!!

[Hotpotato]

When Eddie was wrapping up the Fri night Prelim, John Ralfe pointed out the Pies bias on the MRO and tribunal ...
Eddie responded belligerently and with extreme confidence :
“That’s nothing to to with Collingwood, it’s 22 v 22 , so we will see em at 4.30pm Saturday.”

Sport is wonderful theatre.

[mcs]

Lovely to see him stomping off and red faced!!

Yep - as much as I don't have much time for GWS or Richmond, good to see Collingwood and the Cats sent off to the knackery for the season this weekend.

[Blood Fever]

Suck it Eddie and Pies...
+1

[Thunder Shaker]

I have to admit- after that touched Collingwood goal was somehow not overturned (which is insane) I was fuming, and when the siren went I shouted "Yes!" and then "@@@@ you, Victoria!"
You've got it a bit wrong. It's "@@@@ you, Collingwood." Remember, Eddie Everywhere hates the Swans so make sure to return the favour.

Most Victorians fall into two categories: those who barrack for Collingwood and those who barrack for the team that's playing against Collingwood.

[Thunder Shaker]

When Eddie was wrapping up the Fri night Prelim, John Ralfe pointed out the Pies bias on the MRO and tribunal ...
Eddie responded belligerently and with extreme confidence :
“That’s nothing to to with Collingwood, it’s 22 v 22 , so we will see em at 4.30pm Saturday.”

Sport is wonderful theatre.
The Schadenfreude is off the charts right now.

And I hope the AFL do something about the perceived bias at the MRO and Tribunal. They should have a broader panel and make sure the ones making decisions on particular matches have no stake in the outcome. Otherwise it could get as bad as LBW decisions in Pakistan.

[MattW]

Cracking game from Darcy Moore. Didn't deserve to be on the losing team. He's already one of the best tall defenders in the game.

[neilfws]

Pretty exciting final quarter as a largely neutral observer! Thought the Pies were gone in the third, credit to them for the fightback.

GWS seem to have cultivated something of an "everyone hates us and we don't care" mentality. I confess I can't help liking it.

Articles I've read so far have very much a "sad that Pies lost" rather than "exciting that Giants won" tone. I can see a week of jokes about "all two supporters", giving away tickets etc.

I think it could be an interesting final. We've seen over-confident favourites get ambushed in the GF before...

[Auntie.Gerald]

78-16 hit outs to the pies

35-54 clearances to gws

Amazing !!!!

[stellation]

78-16 hit outs to the pies

35-54 clearances to gws

Amazing !!!!

Lenny Hayes as midfield coach and our own Amon Buchanan as stoppages coach. They've clearly done their homework the last couple of weeks.

[stellation]

You've got it a bit wrong. It's "@@@@ you, Collingwood." Remember, Eddie Everywhere hates the Swans so make sure to return the favour.

Most Victorians fall into two categories: those who barrack for Collingwood and those who barrack for the team that's playing against Collingwood.

Haha, true true. :)

I'm not normally a big conspiracy guy, and I don't think there's a true conspiracy at all, but I have to admit I have been starting to get a slow "there seems to be an unconscious bias for the Victorian teams" feeling building for a while now (as I'm sure a lot of people have). Even just little things listening to the commentary through the game;
* Moore clearly grabs Cameron as they're running back towards goal (right in front of an umpire) without a whistle, we get one replay and acknowledged by all it should have been a free (and a shot right in front for Cameron) then they move on.
* Finlayson goals after he pushes Grundy at a ruck contest without a whistle, we get multiple replays and hand wringing from the commentary team: yes, a goal just kicked so opportunity to discuss before the bounce, but they came back to it through the course of play a couple of times as well.

I have no idea how many times one of the commentators (I think it was Darcy?) had to add "if you're a Collingwood fan..." on to the end of a sentence he'd already finished along the lines of "the ball is at the right end".

We obviously cop this with Swans games, but I've probably just thought noticing it and being a tad frustrated/eye rolling was because it was my team copping it.

[707]

Didn't want either team to win but, in the end, the sight of fat face storming off was joyous, probably just edged out my desire to see Greene really pay for his filthy tactics by GWS just missing a GF.

[KTigers]

How good was Zac Williams? BOG surely. Young indigenous bloke from the great town of Narrandera.

[Sandridge]

Haha, true true. :)

I'm not normally a big conspiracy guy, and I don't think there's a true conspiracy at all, but I have to admit I have been starting to get a slow "there seems to be an unconscious bias for the Victorian teams" feeling building for a while now (as I'm sure a lot of people have). Even just little things listening to the commentary through the game;
* Moore clearly grabs Cameron as they're running back towards goal (right in front of an umpire) without a whistle, we get one replay and acknowledged by all it should have been a free (and a shot right in front for Cameron) then they move on.
* Finlayson goals after he pushes Grundy at a ruck contest without a whistle, we get multiple replays and hand wringing from the commentary team: yes, a goal just kicked so opportunity to discuss before the bounce, but they came back to it through the course of play a couple of times as well.

I have no idea how many times one of the commentators (I think it was Darcy?) had to add "if you're a Collingwood fan..." on to the end of a sentence he'd already finished along the lines of "the ball is at the right end".

We obviously cop this with Swans games, but I've probably just thought noticing it and being a tad frustrated/eye rolling was because it was my team copping it.

Spot on! The commentary was very pro-Collingwood and I think it was not just that the commentators wanted an exciting finish to the game. The Collingwood comeback was exhilarating but so was GWS' domination in the third quarter. The commentators almost seemed disappointed when the Giants were building their lead!
I, too, noticed the belated addition of "if you're a Collingwood fan" at the end of a few sentences but I believe it was James Brayshaw who felt the need to qualify his pro-Collingwood commentary. Doesn't matter if it was Luke Darcy or Brayshaw though - they're both mates of Eddie. The commentators possibly wanted a Richmond-Collingwood Grand Final but they're supposed to be giving an unbiased account of the game. I don't think the Giants got the credit they deserved for their underdog win.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Great victory , nail biting finish but very tough to hang on like they did. The fact the josh Thomas goal wasn’t reviewed is a disgrace . If they kicked one more goal and got into a GF because of that , geez there would have to be a serious uproar .


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[stellation]

Spot on! The commentary was very pro-Collingwood and I think it was not just that the commentators wanted an exciting finish to the game. The Collingwood comeback was exhilarating but so was GWS' domination in the third quarter. The commentators almost seemed disappointed when the Giants were building their lead!
I, too, noticed the belated addition of "if you're a Collingwood fan" at the end of a few sentences but I believe it was James Brayshaw who felt the need to qualify his pro-Collingwood commentary. Doesn't matter if it was Luke Darcy or Brayshaw though - they're both mates of Eddie. The commentators possibly wanted a Richmond-Collingwood Grand Final but they're supposed to be giving an unbiased account of the game. I don't think the Giants got the credit they deserved for their underdog win.
Yes, I think you're right that it was Brayshaw (for some reason I struggle differentiating his voice from Darcy, I have no idea why).

[Hotpotato]

It was Bradshaw , and he did NOT always add the rider “if you are a Collingwood supporter.”

[Hotpotato]

Collingwood grosses $90mill per annum.
Don’t know how much Giants do.

Barry, where art thou?

[Sandridge]

It was Bradshaw , and he did NOT always add the rider “if you are a Collingwood supporter.”

I didn't say he always did it. I said he did it a few times. I reckon there were two - possibly 3 - occasions when he said the ball was at the right end and then added "if you're a Collingwood supporter."

[stevoswan]

How good was Zac Williams? BOG surely. Young indigenous bloke from the great town of Narrandera.

Picked up in the rookie draft too.....a Sheedy project apparently. Great game for sure.

Am I warming to the Giants? I think I am....I just heard a story on ABC's 'Insiders". Apparently a GWS fan lost his wallet at the game and Jeremy Cameron found it. He tracked the guy down and returned it with an extra $50 in it with a note to "buy a GWS beanie and scarf." Nice work son.....

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I didn't say he always did it. I said he did it a few times. I reckon there were two - possibly 3 - occasions when he said the ball was at the right end and then added "if you're a Collingwood supporter."

I noticed this too and just shook my head.....

[KTigers]

Everything now falling into place for GWS. Greene & Whitfield have had a week off to freshen up. Big question is will Davis
get up, and if not, will they make Toby captain?. The sight of Tobes wearing the Norm Smith Medal whilst holding the Premiership
Cup aloft likely to cause riots across Melbourne and cause the internet to crash.:wink:

[stevoswan]

Everything now falling into place for GWS. Greene & Whitfield have had a week off to freshen up. Big question is will Davis
get up, and if not, will they make Toby captain?. The sight of Tobes wearing the Norm Smith Medal whilst holding the Premiership
Cup aloft likely to cause riots across Melbourne and cause the internet to crash.:wink:

:rofl :rofl

[Melbourne_Blood]

Everything now falling into place for GWS. Greene & Whitfield have had a week off to freshen up. Big question is will Davis
get up, and if not, will they make Toby captain?. The sight of Tobes wearing the Norm Smith Medal whilst holding the Premiership
Cup aloft likely to cause riots across Melbourne and cause the internet to crash.:wink:

You’d be surprised , I’m sure many victorians would prefer a Giants flag than another Tigers one .


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[stellation]

Everything now falling into place for GWS. Greene & Whitfield have had a week off to freshen up. Big question is will Davis
get up, and if not, will they make Toby captain?. The sight of Tobes wearing the Norm Smith Medal whilst holding the Premiership
Cup aloft likely to cause riots across Melbourne and cause the internet to crash.:wink:
Dear god! I hadn't even thought about that, but you're right- when Davis and Coniglio were both out for a game earlier this year (with Ward already gone for the season) Toby was indeed the captain!

[KTigers]

You’d be surprised , I’m sure many victorians would prefer a Giants flag than another Tigers one .


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Yes, that's a point. Someone was saying they thought that 70% of the support at the ground will be for Richmond, but 70% of
the support around Australia will be for GWS. They have a lot of finals experience and clearly have the fire in the belly right now,
and they've always had the quality of players. I guess we'll see. I'm going to the game and looking forward to a classic.

[Beerman]

I'm of the view that the score review should only be to overturn egregious errors and that if there's any doubt, they should just let the result stand.

But that "no-call" on the touched goal was a complete howler. I'm no expert and it took me 20 seconds to see that was touched. All the commentators could see that it was touched. The ABC radio commentators were saying on their 3-inch, standard def, low-contrast monitors, *they* could see that it was touched.

For the AFL to come out and defend that decision is completely ludicrous, and if the Giants had lost I would have completely done my nut. The completely mysterious thing, is that not 10 minutes later, they made a much harder decision regarding the ball touched on the line, and got it right! Why the AFL can't just admit that an error was made is beyond me.

Edit: The latest article I just read says that the AFL said the correct process was followed, and that it should have been called a point. Effectively they are saying that the system is as good as it can be. That's probably true - with current technology there is always going to be a person on the end of the call, and that means there will be mistakes. I'm ok with that, as long as they can acknowledge it's an error.

As for Green, legally he may have been in the right, but in every other way he was in the wrong. I'm not sad he got a week - I just hope he cleans up his act. I think the new tribunal system is actually worse than the old one. The fact that Green can get away with so many infringements without ever being suspended is problematic for me. But I'm glad he's playing in the GF and I'm looking forward to it.

Needless to say, go Giants for the GF. I would love to see Green to lift the premiership cup just to say "up yours" to the victorian football establishment. Happy days if Sydney can get back up there, along with maybe Port and we could have Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Port, Eagles in the top 5 and no football in Victoria in September.

[chalbilto]

I'm of the view that the score review should only be to overturn egregious errors and that if there's any doubt, they should just let the result stand.

But that "no-call" on the touched goal was a complete howler. I'm no expert and it took me 20 seconds to see that was touched. All the commentators could see that it was touched. The ABC radio commentators were saying on their 3-inch, standard def, low-contrast monitors, *they* could see that it was touched.

For the AFL to come out and defend that decision is completely ludicrous, and if the Giants had lost I would have completely done my nut. The completely mysterious thing, is that not 10 minutes later, they made a much harder decision regarding the ball touched on the line, and got it right! Why the AFL can't just admit that an error was made is beyond me.

Edit: The latest article I just read says that the AFL said the correct process was followed, and that it should have been called a point. Effectively they are saying that the system is as good as it can be. That's probably true - with current technology there is always going to be a person on the end of the call, and that means there will be mistakes. I'm ok with that, as long as they can acknowledge it's an error.

As for Green, legally he may have been in the right, but in every other way he was in the wrong. I'm not sad he got a week - I just hope he cleans up his act. I think the new tribunal system is actually worse than the old one. The fact that Green can get away with so many infringements without ever being suspended is problematic for me. But I'm glad he's playing in the GF and I'm looking forward to it.

Needless to say, go Giants for the GF. I would love to see Green to lift the premiership cup just to say "up yours" to the victorian football establishment. Happy days if Sydney can get back up there, along with maybe Port and we could have Sydney, Brisbane, GWS, Port, Eagles in the top 5 and no football in Victoria in September.

What about the Dockers?

[Mel_C]

Great victory , nail biting finish but very tough to hang on like they did. The fact the josh Thomas goal wasn’t reviewed is a disgrace . If they kicked one more goal and got into a GF because of that , geez there would have to be a serious uproar .


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Can you imagine if it was the other way around and the Giants won because they were awarded a goal that was touched? The noise from Collingwood would be deafening! I'm sure Eddie would take the AFL to court.

[Hotpotato]

Mummy kept his head in that last 10 mins, with around a minute to go (for a big unit) he sold the dummy right in the goal square and cleared the ball.
It’s astonishing how they held on.

[Mel_C]

Am I warming to the Giants? I think I am....I just heard a story on ABC's 'Insiders". Apparently a GWS fan lost his wallet at the game and Jeremy Cameron found it. He tracked the guy down and returned it with an extra $50 in it with a note to "buy a GWS beanie and scarf." Nice work son.....


They just had the story on Channel 7 and he was actually a Geelong supporter. He was surprised when he saw the $50 because he doesn't normally carry any cash. He said he wasn't going to buy Giants merchandise so he gave the money to charity.

[Mel_C]

Everything now falling into place for GWS. Greene & Whitfield have had a week off to freshen up. Big question is will Davis
get up, and if not, will they make Toby captain?. The sight of Tobes wearing the Norm Smith Medal whilst holding the Premiership
Cup aloft likely to cause riots across Melbourne and cause the internet to crash.:wink:
When I was leaving the ground last night the various tv screens were showing Toby Greene being interviewed on the ground. The abuse that the Collingwood supporters were yelling at the screens was unbelievable.

I was able to buy a ticket to the Grand Final via my AFL Membership so I'm curious what the reaction will be when Greene touches the ball. I think it's going to be worse than what Goodes copped in the 2014 GF.

[Hotpotato]

They just had the story on Channel 7 and he was actually a Geelong supporter. He was surprised when he saw the $50 because he doesn't normally carry any cash. He said he wasn't going to buy Giants merchandise so he gave the money to charity.

Charity, his missus, would be happy, she can go and see Ride Like a Girl in Gold Class with a glass of bubbly.

[KTigers]

When I was leaving the ground last night the various tv screens were showing Toby Greene being interviewed on the ground. The abuse that the Collingwood supporters were yelling at the screens was unbelievable.

I was able to buy a ticket to the Grand Final via my AFL Membership so I'm curious what the reaction will be when Greene touches the ball. I think it's going to be worse than what Goodes copped in the 2014 GF.

"Yelling at a screen". Ain't that a sign of the times....

[707]

Great victory , nail biting finish but very tough to hang on like they did. The fact the josh Thomas goal wasn’t reviewed is a disgrace . If they kicked one more goal and got into a GF because of that , geez there would have to be a serious uproar .

I've only just seen that, terrible non decision, the Bunker was supposed to fix these episodes but has proven itself inept yet again. The AFL are a joke.

[neilfws]

Scanning The Age headlines today: "How the new Richmond works", "Tigers on track to do the double with VFL grand final win", "Tiger greats back Dusty to run riot on grand final day", "Tigers backline best we have ever seen: premiership greats".

I think there were a couple of low-key GWS articles in there somewhere :)

I find myself getting behind the desire for a GWS GF win on the grounds that so many Melbourne footy media heads will just explode.

[stevoswan]

They just had the story on Channel 7 and he was actually a Geelong supporter. He was surprised when he saw the $50 because he doesn't normally carry any cash. He said he wasn't going to buy Giants merchandise so he gave the money to charity.

That's even cooler.....:five:

[stevoswan]

I've only just seen that, terrible non decision, the Bunker was supposed to fix these episodes but has proven itself inept yet again. The AFL are a joke.

Exactly right. After that debacle, they reviewed Maines long shot that appeared at first to be a goal but hit the GWS defenders elbow. They replayed it about a thousand times and I went hoarse screaming at the TV "just award the point and effing move on, you incompetent fools!!"

It's a joke alright....

[Hotpotato]

So when the ball is right at the beginning of its flight path, any smothering and touching seems much less likely to be reviewed by the roaming umps because they are just not in close proximity and concentrating on it (like a goal ump).
The guy(s) who know they touched it have to yell and gesticulate pretty loudly to alert an ump, but with the crowd noise, no one can hear anything.
I had to look at a few times to see the fingers bending, although the commentators picked it up quickly like Richo.
The AFL have owned it now.

[KTigers]

The Grand Final will be the seventh consecutive Richmond game at the MCG. It's a brutal schedule for them, road warriors that
they are.

[liz]

So when the ball is right at the beginning of its flight path, any smothering and touching seems much less likely to be reviewed by the roaming umps because they are just not in close proximity and concentrating on it (like a goal ump).
The guy(s) who know they touched it have to yell and gesticulate pretty loudly to alert an ump, but with the crowd noise, no one can hear anything.
I had to look at a few times to see the fingers bending, although the commentators picked it up quickly like Richo.
The AFL have owned it now.

And yet how often do you hear umpires call "touched, play on!" as soon as a ball is kicked in general play! I realise they probably don't get these spot on, but it's pretty frequent that they do notice a ball is touched off the boot. Maybe it's a matter of degree of touch. A fingernail on a ball in general play may well got unnoticed, but becomes a major talking point when it's a shot for goal, even if it has close to no impact on the trajectory.

Slightly deviating, I am amused by how a touch off the boot leads to a play on call, yet a first touch by another player in a contested marking situation is almost never sufficient to bring about a play on call.

[Blood Fever]

And yet how often do you hear umpires call "touched, play on!" as soon as a ball is kicked in general play! I realise they probably don't get these spot on, but it's pretty frequent that they do notice a ball is touched off the boot. Maybe it's a matter of degree of touch. A fingernail on a ball in general play may well got unnoticed, but becomes a major talking point when it's a shot for goal, even if it has close to no impact on the trajectory.

Slightly deviating, I am amused by how a touch off the boot leads to a play on call, yet a first touch by another player in a contested marking situation is almost never sufficient to bring about a play on call.

Also, when a forward shepherds on the goal line to allow a goal to go through, the whole rule book is thrown out, especially in regard to holding and front on contact.

[Hotpotato]

Anyone willing to give a slight nod to Eddie (despite his downcast and different demeanour exiting his seat) and proceeding to the Giants rooms to congratulate every player (as reported - Macquarie Radio) or .... pass it off ....
As pure Eddie showmanship?

[Blood Fever]

Anyone willing to give a slight nod to Eddie (despite his downcast and different demeanour exiting his seat) and proceeding to the Giants rooms to congratulate every player (as reported - Macquarie Radio) or .... pass it off ....
As pure Eddie showmanship?

All about Ed

[Bloods05]

It's hard to accept his bona fides after seeing what happened with Adam Goodes.

[Blood Fever]

It's hard to accept his bona fides after seeing what happened with Adam Goodes.

Like The Boy Who Cried Wolf, no one trusts him anymore. Megalomaniac.

[KTigers]

I don't think it's going to take McGuire long to revert to form, and sometime later this week he'll be screaming for the
GWS academy to be closed, limiting the number of GWS taggers in a game and also the number of players called
Jeremy GWS are allowed to have in their forward line.

[Doctor J.]

I don't think it's going to take McGuire long to revert to form, and sometime later this week he'll be screaming for the
GWS academy to be closed, limiting the number of GWS taggers in a game and also the number of players called
Jeremy GWS are allowed to have in their forward line.

He has already said something along the lines that a GWS win will be good because it means no one will hear about it, and it will be a perfect reason to start winding back all the "concessions"

[KTigers]

He has already said something along the lines that a GWS win will be good because it means no one will hear about it, and it will be a perfect reason to start winding back all the "concessions"

In particular GWS' "overuse" of delisted free agents, who they had more of on the field on Saturday than top ten draft picks. It was an outrage.

[Sandridge]

It's hard to accept his bona fides after seeing what happened with Adam Goodes.

Exactly what I thought.

[Hotpotato]

My cobber from Wagga got two tiks to Giants PF and took his GF to the game for a day out to discover that (wearing plenty of Orange) they were situated just behind Joffa in the middle of the Pies Cheer Squad.
They copped plenty of abuse (they, well more he barracked very loudly).
His GF, not a footy fan, said it was one of the best days of her life.
He supports The Swans and also The Giants as I do, but only a Swans member.

[Bloods05]

My cobber from Wagga got two tiks to Giants PF and took his GF to the game for a day out to discover that (wearing plenty of Orange) they were situated just behind Joffa in the middle of the Pies Cheer Squad.
They copped plenty of abuse (they, well more he barracked very loudly).
His GF, not a footy fan, said it was one of the best days of her life.
He supports The Swans and also The Giants as I do, but only a Swans member.

How on earth does anyone support two teams? How? It's like bigamy.

[stevoswan]

How on earth does anyone support two teams? How? It's like bigamy.

+1 :rofl

[Mel_C]

Exactly what I thought.
Same here. Eddie went to the Swans rooms to speak to Goodes and apologise. Then a few days later came the King Kong "joke".

[KTigers]

How on earth does anyone support two teams? How? It's like bigamy.

Maybe. But in some cultures having multiple wives is accepted, right? Probably need to keep an open mind here.
If having more than one wife (or husband I suppose) is OK, then maybe supporting more than one team is OK.
People do change teams. So maybe that is like getting divorced, and then remarried. Where is Ludwig when we
need him? He often has an interesting take on things.

[Bloods05]

Maybe. But in some cultures having multiple wives is accepted, right? Probably need to keep an open mind here.
If having more than one wife (or husband I suppose) is OK, then maybe supporting more than one team is OK.
People do change teams. So maybe that is like getting divorced, and then remarried. Where is Ludwig when we
need him? He often has an interesting take on things.

I said bigamy, not polygamy. And no, you don't change teams. You are dead to me if you do. Unless you change to the Swans. And even then you need a seriously good explanation.

[Nico]

On SEN this arvo they intimated that GWS is just a stoppage team. That's what they said about us in 2005 and 2012.

[Nico]

I said bigamy, not polygamy. And no, you don't change teams. You are dead to me if you do. Unless you change to the Swans. And even then you need a seriously good explanation.

When North started playing Friday nights plenty of people took them as a second team and went to the game.

[MattW]

The Grand Final will be the seventh consecutive Richmond game at the MCG. It's a brutal schedule for them, road warriors that
they are.

Hmm. Quite a stat.

[stevoswan]

Mark of the Year.....Heeney was robbed!:wink:

[dejavoodoo44]

After a runaway victory in the Skilton, Dane Rampe didn't get a single vote in the Brownlow. Which to me, emphasizes how much the Brownlow is a midfielders medal. Unless you don't count ruckmen as midfielders, the last non-midfielder to win the Brownlow, was Plugger back in 1987.

Not sure what the reason for that is? Maybe the umpires pay too much attention to stat sheets? Maybe they feel that contested possessions have the most influence on the game? Though I'm now wondering if in the three umpire system, does the senior umpire spend the most time in the middle? If so, does that skew the voting? Though if it does, I doubt if it would be a huge influence.

[Nico]

The umpires look at the stats after the game, they have their favourites and they watch the footy shows.

[barry]

Fife is a great public speaker.

[barry]

I said bigamy, not polygamy. And no, you don't change teams. You are dead to me if you do. Unless you change to the Swans. And even then you need a seriously good explanation.

A very Victorian mentality.
Many in Sydney (and let's face it, half the giants home crowds are swan or ex-swan fans) don't buy into that prehistoric attitude.

How would any new team to the VFL get fans. There are a few million WC, Frei, Adel, port, etc fans who don't agree with you.

The Sydney support of the swans has a lot of AFL fans from other clubs.

[Bloods05]

A very Victorian mentality.
Many in Sydney (and let's face it, half the giants home crowds are swan or ex-swan fans) don't buy into that prehistoric attitude.

How would any new team to the VFL get fans. There are a few million WC, Frei, Adel, port, etc fans who don't agree with you.

The Sydney support of the swans has a lot of AFL fans from other clubs.

That's what we old farts used to call a broken record Baz. Get rid of it.

[stellation]

That's what we old farts used to call a broken record Baz. Get rid of it.
To be fair, you seem to be happily whistling away to the b side of that same broken record. ;)

[KTigers]

To be fair, you seem to be happily whistling away to the b side of that same broken record. ;)

To quote Neil Young ; "There is only one song, man"

[AnnieH]

Fyfe got the Charlie again?
Did he play this year?

[Bloods05]

To be fair, you seem to be happily whistling away to the b side of that same broken record. ;)

A good line, kudos to you. But what is the B-side, exactly?

[neilfws]

Mark of the Year.....Heeney was robbed!:wink:

Perhaps too similar to last year! I thought both of Ryan's efforts were good and worthy winners, especially the second brave one.


After a runaway victory in the Skilton, Dane Rampe didn't get a single vote in the Brownlow. Which to me, emphasizes how much the Brownlow is a midfielders medal.
Not sure what the reason for that is?

It's interesting and I've seen a lot of discussion around it, but not many strong conclusions. I suppose midfielders are more likely to be noticed throughout the entire game by virtue of possessions and clearances. Perhaps it is something to do with umpires spending more time in the centre or around packs than at each end.

[stevoswan]

A very Victorian mentality.


Loyalty? Nothing wrong with that.....it's a very worthy trait. You should try it.

[barry]

Loyalty? Nothing wrong with that.....it's a very worthy trait. You should try it.

Easy to say when the teams in your city haven't changed for 100 years.
(Or, uniquely Victorian)

[stellation]

A good line, kudos to you. But what is the B-side, exactly?
Perhaps I should have gone with double A-side, I don't mean to cast aspersions. :)

[Bloods05]

Perhaps I should have gone with double A-side, I don't mean to cast aspersions. :)

But you did, you cast an entire garland of nasturtiums.

[stevoswan]

Easy to say when the teams in your city haven't changed for 100 years.
(Or, uniquely Victorian)

How can you say that when I followed a Melbourne team to Sydney and stuck with them through the hell years? I couldn't give a #$%* about the Melbourne teams.....

I'm not going to barrack for any other team ever, especially the Giants.....but I will be in a 'one off' on Saturday.:wink:

[Bloods05]

Easy to say when the teams in your city haven't changed for 100 years.
(Or, uniquely Victorian)
Loyalty is uniquely Victorian? Well that's a bit sad. What I think you really mean is that loyalty to a state overrides loyalty to your team. Some Victorians feel that way, but only the dopey ones who hand over their critical faculties to the Murdoch media.

[AnnieH]

How can you say that when I followed a Melbourne team to Sydney and stuck with them through the hell years? I couldn't give a #$%* about the Melbourne teams.....

I'm not going to barrack for any other team ever, especially the Giants.....but I will be in a 'one off' on Saturday.:wink:

No. No. No. OMG. A little bit of me just died.
Not even a "one off".

[barry]

Loyalty is uniquely Victorian? Well that's a bit sad. What I think you really mean is that loyalty to a state overrides loyalty to your team. Some Victorians feel that way, but only the dopey ones who hand over their critical faculties to the Murdoch media.

The Victorian mentality of VFL team support was born out of supporting your local team which is a true and noble thing, to become a situation where you get to choose who you support from a whole variety of teams. Whether you like their colours, are they winning, did grandpa barrack for them (a very sheep-like attitude BTW). Then, after a while, no new teams were introduced, and supporting your local team was forgotten, which meant no one really has a reason to change teams. This circumstantial anomaly was then highjacked to become a badge of honour ("I never change teams"). Which is all very brave if you never had any reason to change teams because no new team turned up in your suburb/town. Very Brave. Like "bulldogs" brave. (sarcasm)

All other cities in Australia have had two new teams setup over the last 30 odd years. In these cities, the culture of supporting your "local" team is strong. None more-so than Sydney where NRL support has always been very tribal.
In this culture, you don't get the luxury of choosing a team for frivolous reasons list above, the team chooses you. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, for it tolls for thee.

Most Sydney swans supporters in Sydney follow the swans because they are the local team. I cant understand why anyone outside of Sydney would follow the swans unless they have a south-melbourne link. How did they choose the swans?

[Blood Fever]

The Victorian mentality of VFL team support was born out of supporting your local team which is a true and noble thing, to become a situation where you get to choose who you support from a whole variety of teams. Whether you like their colours, are they winning, did grandpa barrack for them (a very sheep-like attitude BTW). Then, after a while, no new teams were introduced, and supporting your local team was forgotten, which meant no one really has a reason to change teams. This circumstantial anomaly was then highjacked to become a badge of honour ("I never change teams"). Which is all very brave if you never had any reason to change teams because no new team turned up in your suburb/town. Very Brave. Like "bulldogs" brave. (sarcasm)

All other cities in Australia have had two new teams setup over the last 30 odd years. In these cities, the culture of supporting your "local" team is strong. None more-so than Sydney where NRL support has always been very tribal.
In this culture, you don't get the luxury of choosing a team for frivolous reasons list above, the team chooses you. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, for it tolls for thee.

Most Sydney swans supporters in Sydney follow the swans because they are the local team. I cant understand why anyone outside of Sydney would follow the swans unless they have a south-melbourne link. How did they choose the swans?

Barry - didn't realize you were an oracle in relation to Victorian sporting psychology. Did you do a unit at the University of New South Wales? Amazing insight from across the border?

[barry]

Barry - didn't realize you were an oracle in relation to Victorian sporting psychology. Did you do a unit at the University of New South Wales? Amazing insight from across the border?

You can attack the messenger all you like, but there is a hard truth in there that you need to accept.

Victorians can choose who they barrack for all they like, but they shouldn't try to impose their shallow culture on the rest of this big brown land.

[Blood Fever]

You can attack the messenger all you like, but there is a hard truth in there that you need to accept.

Victorians can choose who they barrack for all they like, but they shouldn't try to impose their shallow culture on the rest of this big brown land.

Bow to your superior local knowledge

[barry]

Bow to your superior local knowledge

Thank you. But its not just me saying it:

https://this.deakin.edu.au/self-improvement/how-choosing-an-afl-team-defines-melburnians

"While Melbourne’s footy tribes still remain, Prof. Hickey points out that they are becoming more diluted. ‘Today’s supporters can follow teams from far beyond their physical borders. Young people today are more likely to be attracted to the teams they see winning a lot and those that get the most exposure in the prime-time slots,’ he says."

[Bloods05]

....they shouldn't try to impose their shallow culture on the rest of this big brown land.

You have a very provincial mentality for a resident of Australia's biggest metropolis. To call tribal loyalty a "shallow culture" is quite astonishing. What is shallow is exactly what Professor Hickey is describing - namely, the practice of following a team simply because it is successful. I remember kids doing that when I was in primary school, and they were widely derided. That is the very definition of shallowness, closely akin to celebrity culture. It is extraordinary to see you describe a family tradition of following a team as "sheep-like". It is in fact the heart and soul of sporting affiliation, and to describe it in this way is not only ludicrous and - dare I say - shallow, it is also deeply offensive. The hard truth here is not the superficial nonsense you are espousing, it is that you do not understand the depth of commitment that comes from tradition. As relative newcomers to Sydney, the Swans have the inestimable advantage of having brought a culture and tradition with them to their new home, in a similar way to Port Adelaide, but quite unlike the other "expansion teams". This is to be celebrated, even venerated, not dismissed and disparaged. You are way out of line.

[Blood Fever]

You can attack the messenger all you like, but there is a hard truth in there that you need to accept.

Victorians can choose who they barrack for all they like, but they shouldn't try to impose their shallow culture on the rest of this big brown land.

Don't care about any hard truth. Barracked for South/Swans all my life. Not concerned really about other supporters whether they be from Victoria or else where. Don't discriminate.

[Sandridge]

You have a very provincial mentality for a resident of Australia's biggest metropolis. To call tribal loyalty a "shallow culture" is quite astonishing. What is shallow is exactly what Professor Hickey is describing - namely, the practice of following a team simply because it is successful. I remember kids doing that when I was in primary school, and they were widely derided. That is the very definition of shallowness, closely akin to celebrity culture. It is extraordinary to see you describe a family tradition of following a team as "sheep-like". It is in fact the heart and soul of sporting affiliation, and to describe it in this way is not only ludicrous and - dare I say - shallow, it is also deeply offensive. The hard truth here is not the superficial nonsense you are espousing, it is that you do not understand the depth of commitment that comes from tradition. As relative newcomers to Sydney, the Swans have the inestimable advantage of having brought a culture and tradition with them to their new home, in a similar way to Port Adelaide, but quite unlike the other "expansion teams". This is to be celebrated, even venerated, not dismissed and disparaged. You are way out of line.

Magnificently put Bloods05!

[KTigers]

This discussion reminds me of one that is very common in the music industry, though I have to say people there seem to be a bit
more accepting of other peoples differing viewpoints and likes/dislikes and what have you than they do in footy.

[Bloods05]

Magnificently put Bloods05!

Thanks mate.

[Bloods05]

This discussion reminds me of one that is very common in the music industry, though I have to say people there seem to be a bit
more accepting of other peoples differing viewpoints and likes/dislikes and what have you than they do in footy.

I fully understand and accept that the Swans' circumstances are unique, and that as supporters from all over Australia we all bring different perspectives to our love of the club. Many if not most of our supporters are relatively new to the club and do not have the family tradition that others have, but they bring a fresh perspective and vigour to it. This is to be welcomed and embraced. So is the legacy of 145 years of tradition. What really ticks me off is people - one person in particular - dismissing and disparaging the latter as if it were of no consequence at all, or worse, some form of psychopathology. The attempt to drive a wedge between one group of supporters and another is not only antithetical to the idea of a united club, it also runs directly counter to the efforts of club administrators over 37 years to foster a "two cities, one club" mentality, something that has given our club a unique character. Why anyone would want to undermine that character is just bewildering to me.

[barry]

You have a very provincial mentality for a resident of Australia's biggest metropolis. To call tribal loyalty a "shallow culture" is quite astonishing. What is shallow is exactly what Professor Hickey is describing - namely, the practice of following a team simply because it is successful. I remember kids doing that when I was in primary school, and they were widely derided. That is the very definition of shallowness, closely akin to celebrity culture. It is extraordinary to see you describe a family tradition of following a team as "sheep-like". It is in fact the heart and soul of sporting affiliation, and to describe it in this way is not only ludicrous and - dare I say - shallow, it is also deeply offensive. The hard truth here is not the superficial nonsense you are espousing, it is that you do not understand the depth of commitment that comes from tradition. As relative newcomers to Sydney, the Swans have the inestimable advantage of having brought a culture and tradition with them to their new home, in a similar way to Port Adelaide, but quite unlike the other "expansion teams". This is to be celebrated, even venerated, not dismissed and disparaged. You are way out of line.

What a load of gibberish.

Lets get a few things straight...
The shallow culture I was referring to was as Professor Hickey mentioned of choosing a team because they are winning, on TV, or like their colours. As is common now in Victoria with the young (his words).
I have also stated that Victorian's are welcome to keep that culture if thats what suits them. They may be sensitive types who dont like being called out on "shallow", but I'm sure they will get over it.
What I find objectionable is some people trying to spread that (flawed) culture to NSW, QLD, WA and SA, which are entirely different environments (ie new teams being created in last 30 years).

I might also add that the "Dont change teams" mentality is also fostered by the entrenched clubs because they have lost the natural ties of supporting based on locality. Without that local tie, supporters would be more fluid, and the big clubs dont want that.
Maybe the Swans see Sydney a bit like that. I think AnnieH does.

Lets move on to the concept of "Locality".
Do you think GWS and Sydney are both local to all Sydney siders ?
Or Do you think there is a line, where if you live in the Western suburbs your "local" side is GWS, and if you live in the eastern suburbs your "local" side is the Swans.
I personally think the former, but I could see it moving to the later over time.

[KTigers]

You know the part I don't get is why people on here are so rude to each other. I assume no one has run over anybody else's cat
or anything. It just seems to take so little for people to get all riled up, and then say all these personal things to each other.
I think if someone worked at the Swans (or GWS for that matter) for a long time as an employee then they may have a
pretty decent idea of what is going on at the club and with players and they might have a decent idea as to the state of
the "culture" there, but other than that, I can't see how people not in that position could know that much. But not knowing
much doesn't seem to stop all these tirades and general rudeness directed at people they've never met. I'm reminded of
that saying at the bottom of, I think it's Beerman's posts. Anyway, I just think people have differing opinions and that's fine.
It's a (sort of) free country, right?

[Bloods05]

What a load of gibberish.

Lets get a few things straight...
The shallow culture I was referring to was as Professor Hickey mentioned of choosing a team because they are winning, on TV, or like their colours. As is common now in Victoria with the young (his words).
I have also stated that Victorian's are welcome to keep that culture if thats what suits them. They may be sensitive types who dont like being called out on "shallow", but I'm sure they will get over it.
What I find objectionable is some people trying to spread that (flawed) culture to NSW, QLD, WA and SA, which are entirely different environments (ie new teams being created in last 30 years).

I might also add that the "Dont change teams" mentality is also fostered by the entrenched clubs because they have lost the natural ties of supporting based on locality. Without that local tie, supporters would be more fluid, and the big clubs dont want that.
Maybe the Swans see Sydney a bit like that. I think AnnieH does.

Lets move on to the concept of "Locality".
Do you think GWS and Sydney are both local to all Sydney siders ?
Or Do you think there is a line, where if you live in the Western suburbs your "local" side is GWS, and if you live in the eastern suburbs your "local" side is the Swans.
I personally think the former, but I could see it moving to the later over time.

I see no point in engaging further with you on this topic. You have not even made a token attempt to engage with the points I made.

[barry]

I see no point in engaging further with you on this topic. You have not even made a token attempt to engage with the points I made.

Thank god.

[Bloods05]

You know the part I don't get is why people on here are so rude to each other. I assume no one has run over anybody else's cat
or anything. It just seems to take so little for people to get all riled up, and then say all these personal things to each other.
I think if someone worked at the Swans (or GWS for that matter) for a long time as an employee then they may have a
pretty decent idea of what is going on at the club and with players and they might have a decent idea as to the state of
the "culture" there, but other than that, I can't see how people not in that position could know that much. But not knowing
much doesn't seem to stop all these tirades and general rudeness directed at people they've never met. I'm reminded of
that saying at the bottom of, I think it's Beerman's posts. Anyway, I just think people have differing opinions and that's fine.
It's a (sort of) free country, right?

Happy for you. I have a different opinion. But I do challenge you to show me where I have been rude.

[Bloods05]

Thank god.

God had nothing to do with your refusal to engage. The devil made you do it.

[dimelb]

God had nothing to do with your refusal to engage. The devil made you do it.

:five:

[stevoswan]

You know the part I don't get is why people on here are so rude to each other. I assume no one has run over anybody else's cat
or anything. It just seems to take so little for people to get all riled up, and then say all these personal things to each other.
I think if someone worked at the Swans (or GWS for that matter) for a long time as an employee then they may have a
pretty decent idea of what is going on at the club and with players and they might have a decent idea as to the state of
the "culture" there, but other than that, I can't see how people not in that position could know that much. But not knowing
much doesn't seem to stop all these tirades and general rudeness directed at people they've never met. I'm reminded of
that saying at the bottom of, I think it's Beerman's posts. Anyway, I just think people have differing opinions and that's fine.
It's a (sort of) free country, right?

Fair post but things just seem to go that way when there's a relentless agitator in the mix.....thoughtless drivel tends to get people's backs up KT. :rolleyes:

[Melbourne_Blood]

You have a very provincial mentality for a resident of Australia's biggest metropolis. To call tribal loyalty a "shallow culture" is quite astonishing. What is shallow is exactly what Professor Hickey is describing - namely, the practice of following a team simply because it is successful. I remember kids doing that when I was in primary school, and they were widely derided. That is the very definition of shallowness, closely akin to celebrity culture. It is extraordinary to see you describe a family tradition of following a team as "sheep-like". It is in fact the heart and soul of sporting affiliation, and to describe it in this way is not only ludicrous and - dare I say - shallow, it is also deeply offensive. The hard truth here is not the superficial nonsense you are espousing, it is that you do not understand the depth of commitment that comes from tradition. As relative newcomers to Sydney, the Swans have the inestimable advantage of having brought a culture and tradition with them to their new home, in a similar way to Port Adelaide, but quite unlike the other "expansion teams". This is to be celebrated, even venerated, not dismissed and disparaged. You are way out of line.

Absolutely spot on . Barry has a serious nerve to try and diminish those of us with a long family tradition of following the swans . It’s pretty @@@@ing disrespectful to be honest .


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[Mel_C]

Hmmm so this is what happens when the Swans don't make the finals!

[mcs]

I miss the good old days where all certain posters could forever harp on about was how good the Members seats were at his favourite ground....:rofl

[Nico]

God had nothing to do with your refusal to engage. The devil made you do it.

No, the Devil is in the detail.

[stevoswan]

Post moved to current weeks discussion thread.

[AnnieH]

What a load of gibberish.

Lets get a few things straight...
The shallow culture I was referring to was as Professor Hickey mentioned of choosing a team because they are winning, on TV, or like their colours. As is common now in Victoria with the young (his words).
I have also stated that Victorian's are welcome to keep that culture if thats what suits them. They may be sensitive types who dont like being called out on "shallow", but I'm sure they will get over it.
What I find objectionable is some people trying to spread that (flawed) culture to NSW, QLD, WA and SA, which are entirely different environments (ie new teams being created in last 30 years).

I might also add that the "Dont change teams" mentality is also fostered by the entrenched clubs because they have lost the natural ties of supporting based on locality. Without that local tie, supporters would be more fluid, and the big clubs dont want that.
Maybe the Swans see Sydney a bit like that. I think AnnieH does.

Lets move on to the concept of "Locality".
Do you think GWS and Sydney are both local to all Sydney siders ?
Or Do you think there is a line, where if you live in the Western suburbs your "local" side is GWS, and if you live in the eastern suburbs your "local" side is the Swans.
I personally think the former, but I could see it moving to the later over time.

A) Please don't bring me into this; and
B) Please don't ever presume to know any reasoning behind what I think, say, feel or do. You will be way off every single time.

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I miss the good old days where all certain posters could forever harp on about was how good the Members seats were at his favourite ground....:rofl

Seriously, my seats at my favourite ground, the SCG, are the absolute BEST.