Longmire re-signs for two more years

[Goal Sneak]

bloodz&guts, It's a bit rich to call out members on here for being too precious. You're never posting again due to a couple of people on here disagreeing with your opinion.

Slightly over-dramatic wouldn't you say?

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Better angels time

[stevoswan]

Thank you Ruck n Roll and royboy 42 for your feedback, I have been a member here for 18 years and as you know I have only made 15 comments , this will be 16 and last, as there are some here who are very precious and don't like alternative view points.
First a bit about myself, I started playing footy in country SA during the mid seventies while I attended high school in Murray Bridge, I am Sydney born and bred, I played then for Balmain in the SFL in the early eighties and played for Baulkham Hills in their first years out at the Kellyville Country Club and boy we copt some floggings. I later played until I was Forty years old on the Mid North Coast, until a leg injury put me out. So I know a little bit about footy. As a footballer I was a hack , but loved playing the game.

My issue with Horse and a lot of people in my area have the same opinion is that Horse has had his chance and needs to move on. A loss of 18 points is an honourable loss, but 81 points is an embarrassment, especially for an experienced coach.
My major concern is that the club has signed up John for a two year extension at the beginning of the 2023 season, surely it would have been more prudent to wait until the end of the season, to see where we are at.
My other concern is that after the walloping we got, our younger players are going to be scarred and our older players must be having nightmares from previous GF losses. We can go two ways, we can attack the season with gusto or our players can go backwards quickly.
What happens if we go backwards ? and we have John signed up for another two years, in the meantime our possible next coach Don Pyke has decided that there is no future at the Swans and moves on, he is our logical replacement for Horse.
This to me means that although as I have said previously that John is a decent and good person, we are stuck for an A grade replacement coach already here.I truly hope that my scenario doesn't happen and we come out firing on all cylinders, but any team that got belted by so much will have a hard time of it.
I have been a long term lurker here for a long, long time, I have noticed that unless if you don't agree with everyone you get attacked by snide comments and an holier than you attitude and that they all know best. Also noticed that members have dropped off.

I'll just let myself out the door now, best of luck to all Swans supporters, we all need a medal!

I'll have another go. Hey mate, don't run away just because someone disagreed with you. Stick around, we value diverse opinion and robust discussion (I think?). I think you'd be fun.

[stevoswan]

Oh here we go....so much for robust discussion. Let's all sing Kumbaya.

[stevoswan]

Unfortunately those that disagree are more likely to reply these days - but don't let that discourage you.

"Unfortunately"? If they didn't reply we wouldn't have a thread......or you'd have everyone "singing off the same songsheet", which I thought was what we don't want, isn't it?

I agree with the second part though. Too many playing victim these days....it's what got our anti-Rowbottom friend banned with all his stubborn doubling down.

[stevoswan]

Despite disappointment of not winning any flags with Buddy, most clubs would still envy our record over the time Horse has been coach, with the exceptions being Richmond and the Hawks who have won more premierships.

I don’t think any other team has made four grand finals in the last 11 years.

That puts him in elite territory, arguably third best coach over the last decade, behind Clarkson and Hardwick.

Now imagine a level playing field and no trade ban, no COLA reduction (or requirement in the first place) and also more finals (including grand final) in NSW and at the SCG (instead of being forced to play at ANZ Stadium where Fitzpatrick had a financial interest). That may have us 2-2 or or 3-1 and also making 1-2 more grand finals on top of that.

Also 2014 was tough as Buddy was whacked in the head in the first quarter with no call and then rolled his ankle not long after. And 2016 was decided by the umpires with their vastly uneven umpiring that ended up ruining Hannebery’s career (with the Bulldogs given free licence to play rough) and setting us back in 2017.

I think it is a remarkable record if you look beyond just the 1-3 stat.

Certainly some stuff is frustrating, such as the team selection at times (leaving out Campbell for Bell/Wicks, sticking Mills in defence for so long, Reid for grand final) and some horrible losses against lower sides on paper.

But overall, I think he has done a great job.

A sensible post that considers more than just one stat, ie: 1 out of 4. Good job Maltopia.

[Markwebbos]

Sorry but I have the opposite opinion, Longmire is 1 from 4. You can say 2012 was still a Paul Roos team, 2014 we got belted, 2016 we can say we got robbed,2022 we got flogged. The two belting's, I would put down to poor coaching, not getting his team mentally prepared for the on coming onslaught from the opposition on the big day. He might be a great human being but when you're in the business of winning premierships which is the main purpose, I think Horse has failed.
I really think a change at the top is needed. To me, the club has made a poor decision.

You aren’t crazy or a heretic for saying that. 1 from 4 is disappointing. We’d much rather 2 or 3.

I’m interested in what happened with Geelong / Chris Scott. Won a premiership early with arguably the previous coaches team and then had a truly horrible record in finals until the 2022 GF.

I think 2014 was a disaster, we choked. 2016 a robbery, but 2022 probably came too soon. I don’t feel disappointed with the result but with the way we lost.

I think Longmire’s got the right to see how far he can take this group …

[707]

2016 was not a GF loss - it was a robbery!

[barry]

You can't deny that our grand final efforts have been extremely poor.
Keep horse, but change the GF prep.

[Roadrunner]

Thank you Ruck n Roll and royboy 42 for your feedback, I have been a member here for 18 years and as you know I have only made 15 comments , this will be 16 and last, as there are some here who are very precious and don't like alternative view points.
First a bit about myself, I started playing footy in country SA during the mid seventies while I attended high school in Murray Bridge, I am Sydney born and bred, I played then for Balmain in the SFL in the early eighties and played for Baulkham Hills in their first years out at the Kellyville Country Club and boy we copt some floggings. I later played until I was Forty years old on the Mid North Coast, until a leg injury put me out. So I know a little bit about footy. As a footballer I was a hack , but loved playing the game.

My issue with Horse and a lot of people in my area have the same opinion is that Horse has had his chance and needs to move on. A loss of 18 points is an honourable loss, but 81 points is an embarrassment, especially for an experienced coach.
My major concern is that the club has signed up John for a two year extension at the beginning of the 2023 season, surely it would have been more prudent to wait until the end of the season, to see where we are at.
My other concern is that after the walloping we got, our younger players are going to be scarred and our older players must be having nightmares from previous GF losses. We can go two ways, we can attack the season with gusto or our players can go backwards quickly.
What happens if we go backwards ? and we have John signed up for another two years, in the meantime our possible next coach Don Pyke has decided that there is no future at the Swans and moves on, he is our logical replacement for Horse.
This to me means that although as I have said previously that John is a decent and good person, we are stuck for an A grade replacement coach already here.I truly hope that my scenario doesn't happen and we come out firing on all cylinders, but any team that got belted by so much will have a hard time of it.
I have been a long term lurker here for a long, long time, I have noticed that unless if you don't agree with everyone you get attacked by snide comments and an holier than you attitude and that they all know best. Also noticed that members have dropped off.

I'll just let myself out the door now, best of luck to all Swans supporters, we all need a medal!

Hold on a while, bloodz&guts!
This is a Swans Forum, not a popularity contest. All respectful opinions are welcome and even though there are many disagreements, as there should be as we see things differently, we all support our team and have red and white blood flowing through our veins.

So don’t go- you obviously love and care about the club, and while a lot of us may not agree with you regarding Horse’s extension, your points are fair and well argued. Diverse opinions are needed here- a standout was TheBloods, but we enjoyed his obsession with a certain player and I for one found him entertaining. In the end, that counts for a lot. So please stay and let’s hear more from you!!

[bloodz&guts]

Thank you Ruck n Roll and royboy 42 for your feedback, I have been a member here for 18 years and as you know I have only made 15 comments , this will be 16 and last, as there are some here who are very precious and don't like alternative view points.
First a bit about myself, I started playing footy in country SA during the mid seventies while I attended high school in Murray Bridge, I am Sydney born and bred, I played then for Balmain in the SFL in the early eighties and played for Baulkham Hills in their first years out at the Kellyville Country Club and boy we copt some floggings. I later played until I was Forty years old on the Mid North Coast, until a leg injury put me out. So I know a little bit about footy. As a footballer I was a hack , but loved playing the game.

My issue with Horse and a lot of people in my area have the same opinion is that Horse has had his chance and needs to move on. A loss of 18 points is an honourable loss, but 81 points is an embarrassment, especially for an experienced coach.
My major concern is that the club has signed up John for a two year extension at the beginning of the 2023 season, surely it would have been more prudent to wait until the end of the season, to see where we are at.
My other concern is that after the walloping we got, our younger players are going to be scarred and our older players must be having nightmares from previous GF losses. We can go two ways, we can attack the season with gusto or our players can go backwards quickly.
What happens if we go backwards ? and we have John signed up for another two years, in the meantime our possible next coach Don Pyke has decided that there is no future at the Swans and moves on, he is our logical replacement for Horse.
This to me means that although as I have said previously that John is a decent and good person, we are stuck for an A grade replacement coach already here.I truly hope that my scenario doesn't happen and we come out firing on all cylinders, but any team that got belted by so much will have a hard time of it.
I have been a long term lurker here for a long, long time, I have noticed that unless if you don't agree with everyone you get attacked by snide comments and an holier than you attitude and that they all know best. Also noticed that members have dropped off.

I'll just let myself out the door now, best of luck to all Swans supporters, we all need a medal!

[royboy42]

I suppose I don't comment here that much is because of the echo chamber that prevails here, obviously if you have a different opinion from the rest , you are not welcome. This is a footy blog , not a community sing along were we all sing from the same song sheet. A coach who has a 1 win and 3 losses is not doing the job. Something is missing , is it a lack of killer instinct or is it a close enough is good enough attitude? If people are happy with that , well good for them, but we will end up with the same reputation as the Colliwobbles, we choke on the big day
Agree that Longmire is a good bloke, but isn't it time for a change? Some new blood might be the way to go.

I disagree with almost everything you've said, but don't let that stop you posting.
You put up a case for your argument; infinitely preferable to some who stray from the RWO line.
It's the totally irrational we avoid.
Welcome back.

[Blood Fever]

Despite disappointment of not winning any flags with Buddy, most clubs would still envy our record over the time Horse has been coach, with the exceptions being Richmond and the Hawks who have won more premierships.

I don’t think any other team has made four grand finals in the last 11 years.

That puts him in elite territory, arguably third best coach over the last decade, behind Clarkson and Hardwick.

Now imagine a level playing field and no trade ban, no COLA reduction (or requirement in the first place) and also more finals (including grand final) in NSW and at the SCG (instead of being forced to play at ANZ Stadium where Fitzpatrick had a financial interest). That may have us 2-2 or or 3-1 and also making 1-2 more grand finals on top of that.

Also 2014 was tough as Buddy was whacked in the head in the first quarter with no call and then rolled his ankle not long after. And 2016 was decided by the umpires with their vastly uneven umpiring that ended up ruining Hannebery’s career (with the Bulldogs given free licence to play rough) and setting us back in 2017.

I think it is a remarkable record if you look beyond just the 1-3 stat.

Certainly some stuff is frustrating, such as the team selection at times (leaving out Campbell for Bell/Wicks, sticking Mills in defence for so long, Reid for grand final) and some horrible losses against lower sides on paper.

But overall, I think he has done a great job.

Great summation

[Maltopia]

Despite disappointment of not winning any flags with Buddy, most clubs would still envy our record over the time Horse has been coach, with the exceptions being Richmond and the Hawks who have won more premierships.

I don’t think any other team has made four grand finals in the last 11 years.

That puts him in elite territory, arguably third best coach over the last decade, behind Clarkson and Hardwick.

Now imagine a level playing field and no trade ban, no COLA reduction (or requirement in the first place) and also more finals (including grand final) in NSW and at the SCG (instead of being forced to play at ANZ Stadium where Fitzpatrick had a financial interest). That may have us 2-2 or or 3-1 and also making 1-2 more grand finals on top of that.

Also 2014 was tough as Buddy was whacked in the head in the first quarter with no call and then rolled his ankle not long after. And 2016 was decided by the umpires with their vastly uneven umpiring that ended up ruining Hannebery’s career (with the Bulldogs given free licence to play rough) and setting us back in 2017.

I think it is a remarkable record if you look beyond just the 1-3 stat.

Certainly some stuff is frustrating, such as the team selection at times (leaving out Campbell for Bell/Wicks, sticking Mills in defence for so long, Reid for grand final) and some horrible losses against lower sides on paper.

But overall, I think he has done a great job.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

I suppose I don't comment here that much is because of the echo chamber that prevails here, obviously if you have a different opinion from the rest , you are not welcome.

Yes, RWO can get a bit like that, there are some who get defensive when you don't spout the company line. However the "if you hold that opinion you're not a proper Swan supporter" BS seems to be thing of the past - thank goodness.

I think RWO needs more active members, more active members will result in a greater diversity of opinion - in itself a good thing.
So don't be discouraged, roll your sleeves up and have your say!

It's unlikely that everyone on RWO will disagree with any arguement you post, but it's also unlikely that everyone on RWO will agree with any arguement you post. Unfortunately those that disagree are more likely to reply these days - but don't let that discourage you.

As regards Horse, I can't imagine the man himself is pleased to have a 25% Grand Final success rate. And if he was coaching a Melbourne team that would be mentioned in evey story that mentioned him by name. FWIW I don't think we could have won last years granny, but I do think these kids have at least one flag in them - and I think Horse is well respected by them. So by all means we should refresh the support around him (ie Don Pyke).