Trade target discussion (merged thread)

[Conor_Dillon]

The only other player we seem to be looking at Talia is still being investigated and trade period is half way through, the whole investigation is a joke two brothers talking to each other if thats the case Shaw should have been investigated...

Judging by the reaction of Luke Beveridge I'd say there's a fair bit more than two brothers just talking. For a coach to purposely not attend a player's exit interview, and then not mention him at all in his best and fairest farewell speech to departing players says to me that something pretty serious has gone down.

I'd hazard a guess that Talia and Beveridge had a falling out RE Talia not getting a game and he'd decided he was already leaving then thought, 'stuff it, why not' and told his brother some serious game-plan related details.

[Steve]

The main issue we have with Free Agency is contract validity.
In the US if you get traded or want a trade your contract goes with you, which can make you more valuable.
I.E. if Mccarthy is on $300K next year, his contract should go with him. He cant have 2 yrs to run on minimal money than say he is "homesick" cos Freo are offering $700K over 5yrs.
He needs to sack his manager for signing him on 3 months ago.
Same last year with Beams, he was on about $500K at the pies, he left and got 1.2M with the Lions cos he was "homesick". His father aside, go home on $500K not over twice the money
If you have a deal it should stay with you

Free Agency is where you are out-of-contract, you are talking about the normal trade process.

I'm not sure who it hurts - in your Beams example, Collingwood got Pick 5, Crisp, Varcoe and Greenwood for Beams and Lumumba.

Clubs with players under contract who they think are requesting a trade simply for more money can either a) refuse to trade and keep the player to their contract, or b) demand a very good deal in return, in which they get as much out of it (draft picks and/or players) as the departing player does financially.

It's not as if the player is really holding anyone to ransom in these situations, nor does the club relinquishing the player (if they choose to) lose out dramatically, as there is a trade process where they are compensated.

[Ludwig]

The AFLPA and the AFL have negotiated a collective bargaining agreement setting out the general terms of player movements. I won't pass judgement on the agreement since the parties are legitimate representatives in the employer-employee relationship. The fans don't have a direct input, but it's in the interest of all parties that the fans are happy.

What I don't like is when this agreement is blatantly violated with flimsy excuses like the go home factor, or players just choose to quit their club and demand to be traded to get a better deal somewhere else. The weaker clubs, particularly those in the non-traditional states, are at a distinct disadvantage in this regard and it's a serious detriment to the viability of the game as a national sport.

Individual clubs are quick to take advantage of short term gains when they can acquire a player this way. It is yet another major failing of the AFL administration that they have permitted this to happen. When Brisbane had that major exodus losing players like Polec and Yeo the AFL should have put a halt to this stuff. There are lots of parties that profit from these moves and only the AFL are in a position to control the situation for the benefit of the game as a whole.

As for the players involved, they should read the CBA before becoming a professional footballer, because by becoming one they are a party to the agreement and are bound by it. If they don't feel they can manage living away from 'home' they should look for a different line of work. There are other options in life. The life of a professional sportsman in a national game will often require living away from one's family. That's one of the reasons they get paid well. Each individual case may have merit, and there are some legitimate circumstances where accommodation of player's desires is reasonable, but it's clearly gone beyond that now.

[Mug Punter]

The AFLPA and the AFL have negotiated a collective bargaining agreement setting out the general terms of player movements. I won't pass judgement on the agreement since the parties are legitimate representatives in the employer-employee relationship. The fans don't have a direct input, but it's in the interest of all parties that the fans are happy.

What I don't like is when this agreement is blatantly violated with flimsy excuses like the go home factor, or players just choose to quit their club and demand to be traded to get a better deal somewhere else. The weaker clubs, particularly those in the non-traditional states, are at a distinct disadvantage in this regard and it's a serious detriment to the viability of the game as a national sport.

Individual clubs are quick to take advantage of short term gains when they can acquire a player this way. It is yet another major failing of the AFL administration that they have permitted this to happen. When Brisbane had that major exodus losing players like Polec and Yeo the AFL should have put a halt to this stuff. There are lots of parties that profit from these moves and only the AFL are in a position to control the situation for the benefit of the game as a whole.

As for the players involved, they should read the CBA before becoming a professional footballer, because by becoming one they are a party to the agreement and are bound by it. If they don't feel they can manage living away from 'home' they should look for a different line of work. There are other options in life. The life of a professional sportsman in a national game will often require living away from one's family. That's one of the reasons they get paid well. Each individual case may have merit, and there are some legitimate circumstances where accommodation of player's desires is reasonable, but it's clearly gone beyond that now.

Some fair points there

I accept when a player gets drafted they may get homesick and it is hard.

What I can't cop is that big Wuss from GWS (Cam McCarthy) claiming homesickness when he has two years left on a (presumably lucrative) contract extension he signed. Whining about missing his sisters etc etc, what a blouse, he didn't miss thm when he was offered a fat contract but now he sniffs his currency has risen he now misses his sisters.

GWS need to nip this in the bud, play him in the twos for two years if he throws his toys out of the pram - if they don't make an example of him they will never be anything but a training school for other clubs. And if they can't get a good pice for him, send him to the PSD and Moorabbin

[6'2, 220, 4.53]

Some fair points there

I accept when a player gets drafted they may get homesick and it is hard.

What I can't cop is that big Wuss from GWS (Cam McCarthy) claiming homesickness when he has two years left on a (presumably lucrative) contract extension he signed. Whining about missing his sisters etc etc, what a blouse, he didn't miss thm when he was offered a fat contract but now he sniffs his currency has risen he now misses his sisters.

GWS need to nip this in the bud, play him in the twos for two years if he throws his toys out of the pram - if they don't make an example of him they will never be anything but a training school for other clubs. And if they can't get a good pice for him, send him to the PSD and Moorabbin

This is such a brilliant post.

Outstanding Mug.

Your insights through this whole thread have been "World Class".

[mcs]

Some fair points there

I accept when a player gets drafted they may get homesick and it is hard.

What I can't cop is that big Wuss from GWS (Cam McCarthy) claiming homesickness when he has two years left on a (presumably lucrative) contract extension he signed. Whining about missing his sisters etc etc, what a blouse, he didn't miss thm when he was offered a fat contract but now he sniffs his currency has risen he now misses his sisters.

GWS need to nip this in the bud, play him in the twos for two years if he throws his toys out of the pram - if they don't make an example of him they will never be anything but a training school for other clubs. And if they can't get a good pice for him, send him to the PSD and Moorabbin

Yep, I agree Mug that there is a real need for GWS to stand up on this one and say 'enough is enough' - otherwise, the future you suggest will become a reality, and that won't be good at all for AFL footy in Sydney.

[bennyfabulous]

I hope we get something good for Jed Lamb (6 first round picks, seems fair)

Trade wrap: Carlisle talks at breaking point - AFL.com.au

[6'2, 220, 4.53]

I hope we get something good for Jed Lamb (6 first round picks, seems fair)

Trade wrap: Carlisle talks at breaking point - AFL.com.au

There is some strange stuff going on in trade week:

- What are St Kilda thinking with their offer for Carlisle? Are St Kilda that sure that Jake wants to get there that badly that the pre-season draft is a viable threat? Why would Jake be so adamant that he wants St Kilda when the Hawks are knocking on the door?

- Why would Zac Smith want to get to Geelong so badly? Mark Blicavs is the B and F who forms a highly impressive mobile ruck combination with Stanley (when he is fit). Added to that you have Mitch Clark and Nathan Vardy who are competent forwards who can also play in the ruck. If you are moving away from your current club, why move to a club where you could be down the pecking order in your position?


Strange requests are being made in trade week. Full marks to the Swans and Eagles who dealt with each other in very good faith.

[707]

The Carlisle trade is typical Essendon, notorious as difficult traders but if the Saints offer is 5 for Carlisle AND 23 & 25 then it seems a bit lop sided.

The weakness of this draft means 23 & 25 are more like late 30s but I reckon it will get done for Carlisle and one of those picks.

Hawthorn is less of an option for Carlisle because the money would be $200k less a season you would reckon although the Hawks look to be clearing cap room, Lake, Hale, Anderson, Suckling, probably Whitecross.

I really hope we are looking to upgrade pick 14 for two mid/late 20s picks but won't happen until everyone knows what picks they've got. Carlisle, Treloar, Dixon, Aish, Howe need to get done asap. Final draft order will be interesting, pointy end particularly critical for us.

[troyjones2525]

Exactly! Why don't we offer essendon pick 14 for 23 and 25? How much better off would we be then?

[liz]

Exactly! Why don't we offer essendon pick 14 for 23 and 25? How much better off would we be then?

I am not in favour. Suppose someone bids for Mills using a pick we are not prepared to match. Then our first pick is at 23, not 25. Points become irrelevant. Are we better off having a first choice at 14 or two in the 20s? Will partly depend on whether Dunkley and the club reach an agreement to try and get him to the Swans.

[troyjones2525]

I am not in favour. Suppose someone bids for Mills using a pick we are not prepared to match. Then our first pick is at 23, not 25. Points become irrelevant. Are we better off having a first choice at 14 or two in the 20s? Will partly depend on whether Dunkley and the club reach an agreement to try and get him to the Swans.

You seriously don't think that we would not match ANY bid for Mills do you Liz?Mills is a swan, all we need to find out now is how much he'll cost and put ourselves in the best position to pay for him with points.