I can confirm that Ugg is correct. The only picks you can use are the "live picks". The number of live picks is the same as the number of vacancies you have on your list. I don't know the situation of the other academy clubs they, even GWS and GCS, would be under the same rules.
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It could also mean that he hasn't decided yet and we need the points in case he chooses us.
Thanks to Ugg for firstly explaining this, and now to SSB for confirming it. I have learnt something that I knew nothing about before.
This suggests the Swans will be delisting at least one player before the draft, to allow them to take their first six picks to the draft, and possibly two if they also want to take their seventh pick (pick 72).
I counted up GWS offs and ons earlier today (after reading Ludwig's posts on this topic). I think (if my calculations were right) that they now have a current list of 39 (eight out, one in) and are holding 12 picks. I believe GWS can have a senior list of 46 in 2016. So to use their picks they will need to delist up to five players (but almost certainly less and not take all the picks into the draft).
Am I understanding this correctly? Does the above sound right?
The points system and new bidding for academy and F/S players have certainly added a lot of complexity to the draft night!
I was talking to someone involved with recruiting today and he is under the impression clubs will be allowed to take in all their picks.
All I can say on this why in the world would Sydney and GSW be trading down to acquire picks they cannot use? It is utter buffoonery. Someone should have told them about this limitation, or if they knew, the list management staff should be sacked.
Out of all the restrictions placed on the academy clubs, this one is absolutely the most egregious and the one worth going to court over.
In order to get a high bid academy player the club must eliminate 4 players from its list and a second academy player, perhaps the same and that is just to make room to have enough live picks, and little to do with having enough points. The club may still have to go into deficit. If these 2 players were in fact taken, then six places would have to be filled on the senior list and no draft picks left to fill them (all going for the academy kidsI which could only be filled from the PSD, which may not even have any players, as this is the only remaining source of adding players to a senior list after the ND. So the club would technically be shut out out of taking the academy players, since if they did take them, they would be in violation of the minimum list requirement rule. This is a catch 22 if I ever heard one.
I don't think it is so wrong actually.
Why should a club be able to use points on picks that can never be used?
We'll be fine and it wouldn't surprise me to see us de-list two players to use both 69 and 72 as I am sure we traded our way with a delisting strategy in mind. One will probably be our highest live pick after Dunks (mid 50s I'd guess) and maybe one academy player at the back of the draft
As Meg has rightly pointed out GWS can stockpile higher because they still have an expanded list of 46 and whilst they may not use all the picks they will draw down on they could if they wanted to and that is important. I can see GWS going with an actual list well below 46 given the recent development of their squad. Of course the GWS situation will not re-occur once their list limit falls into line with other clubs.
I think this is all a storm in a teacup - our strategy was quite normal because we have to cater for Dunkley going too early and us not picking him (unlikely I know) plus WCE offered us a good dela to get extra points for an early pick. All our trading was pretty normal actually, it was only GWS who exposed some short term opportunities available to them.
The more I see this system the more I feel it is fundamentally sound, remember it was not designed by the AFL but an economist
There's a final list lodgement after the draft, I'm fairly sure clubs *could* draft above their maximum list size and then delist guys if they really wanted to and had the out of contract players or forward year cap space. I think the idea that clubs only take X number of live picks to the draft is just a convention.
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