draft !

[Ludwig]

If there aren't any big surprises, things could work out well for us in this draft. Emma Quayle has given her best talent nomination to Hopper, and she's a real whiz at this stuff. I don't know how she does it, but she's got just about the best eye for young talent going around. So the draft order may well go Weitering, Schache, Hopper and Mills at pick 4. She rates Kennedy at 5 and Parish at 11, so who knows what will follow. But a bid at 4 for Mills would move us up a few slots in our second and third picks, which would be helpful.

Despite the apparent loss of Dunkley, there appears to be many reasonable KPPs, and especially KPD prospects that are likely to be available above pick 40. Players like Weitering, Schache , Hipwood, Collins, Weidering, Francis, Curnow the McKays brothers and Himmilberg are likeliy to go top 40 and a couple of other as well. But there will likely still be plenty to chose from like Mitch Brown, Harley, Marcus Adams and a number of others. These are the sort of players that could be most useful giving our strengths in the midfield and deficiencies in key defenders. So Dunkley may be doing us a favour by passing us up and allowing us to improve our list in the areas where we are most in need.

The article on Mills raised by liz shows the we are in for a special talent. This looks to be a rare season for KPPs and we should take advantage to fill the ranks. Next year it looks like we are back to midfield talent again and perhaps Jake Brown from our academy.

[Nico]

I think we may have done our trades and will draft young talent. We have consistently drafted young players to develop and I can't see us changing.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Treloar is probably the best example on why Carlton may not bid

[Auntie.Gerald]

IS there another Rampe in the wings that we don't know about ?

ie a mature age player sent away from Sydney to learn their craft in the SANFL or VFL etc and then will be coming back this year as a mature age draft player ?

Dan has been a revelation and plays like a top 20 type pick

[lwjoyner]

Why would the Demons or someone else not bid for Jacob Hopper at 3, rated = no1 with Weitering by Emma Quayle. If not and they put a bid for Mills they are having a go at Swans.

[Triple B]

Why would the Demons or someone else not bid for Jacob Hopper at 3, rated = no1 with Weitering by Emma Quayle. If not and they put a bid for Mills they are having a go at Swans.

They may bid for Hopper, then when GWS matches that, bid for Mills, when we match they still get to pick again...

[Nico]

Why would the Demons or someone else not bid for Jacob Hopper at 3, rated = no1 with Weitering by Emma Quayle. If not and they put a bid for Mills they are having a go at Swans.

I just don't get why clubs bid on someone they know they are not going to get. So Melbourne bid on Mills, we match them, so they then select again. What is to stop them then bidding on another Academy kid somewhere. What is the gain for Melbourne; more think time for their next selection. Spite maybe, we are smart, stuffed them; what for. Brainless system.

[Auntie.Gerald]

now that we made it clear in the article with Chris Smith that we will bid whatever it takes then he might slip thru past top 5 ?

who knows ....... it will be fascinating !

[111431]

now that we made it clear in the article with Chris Smith that we will bid whatever it takes then he might slip thru past top 5 ?

who knows ....... it will be fascinating !

if no one does bid (highly unlikely) on the basis they know we will select him anyway, what does that do for all of our subsequent picks ?

[Cosmic Wizard]

I just don't get why clubs bid on someone they know they are not going to get. So Melbourne bid on Mills, we match them, so they then select again. What is to stop them then bidding on another Academy kid somewhere. What is the gain for Melbourne; more think time for their next selection. Spite maybe, we are smart, stuffed them; what for. Brainless system.

So basically, Melbourne or someone else could just keep bidding say number 3 spot on every academy and Father Son until the northern clubs are broke?????

And they still keep their number spot until they are successful at picking a player????

And if they have picks later on, they know that by doing this they will move up in the draft???

Ye gods; it all becomes clear, what a way to screw us for spending vast amount of time and money to develop the game!!

[liz]

So basically, Melbourne or someone else could just keep bidding say number 3 spot on every academy and Father Son until the northern clubs are broke?????

And they still keep their number spot until they are successful at picking a player????

And if they have picks later on, they know that by doing this they will move up in the draft???

Ye gods; it all becomes clear, what a way to screw us for spending vast amount of time and money to develop the game!!

Mills and Hopper are the only two close to guaranteed to be matched by their host clubs if bid at pick 3. Even Hopper might not be 100% guaranteed if the Giants figure, for balance purposes, they only need one of Hopper and Kennedy. If the Dees bid their first pick on Kennedy (after already bidding it on Hopper), Keays or Hipwood, they will probably be left holding that player. So long as that is a player they want, it's not a problem for them.

[Ludwig]

So basically, Melbourne or someone else could just keep bidding say number 3 spot on every academy and Father Son until the northern clubs are broke?????

It doesn't quite work that way, but close.

Melbourne could bid like this:

Pick 3 Mills matched by Sydney
Pick 4 Hopper matched by GWS
Pick 5 Kennedy matched by GWS
Pick 6 Hipwood matched by Brisbane
Pick 7 Darcy Parish, the one they really expected to get in the first place, but forced the academy clubs to use use their draft picks quickly.
Pick 8 Essendon, etc.

The new system is based on good faith. Clubs are expected to bid on academy players as if it were an open draft and they could actually expect to get that player. But it is very difficult to know how that can be enforced. Who knows what factors go into a club's drafting.

I think everyone expects Carlton to take Weitering and Brisbane have already said they will take Schache if Carlton do not. After that, it's anyone's guess how the bidding will go.

I was a bit worried about vexatious bidding before the trade period, but now that I see how helpful the academy clubs can be to facilitate trades I wouldn't expect a club to create a toxic relationship with another club they need to do business with in the future.

It seems likely that Mills and Hopper will both go between picks 3 and 6, but hard to guess exactly how it will pan out on the night.