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    Quote Originally Posted by CureTheSane View Post
    Yeah, I don't. Somebody sticks a needle in my arm, and I'm a professional athlete, then I blame myself, and they should blame themselves. Idiots.

    AFL will get what they deserve for the way they handled it.
    I understand where you are coming from re the players, and that's the base principle of the doping code - and some of the CAS findings make clear the players were negligent at best.

    I think I was more getting to the point that of all the people to cop punishment in this, those that orchestrated the scheme get off lightly - or in Hird's case, with a million dollar bonus and free study leave - or those in positions of power that should have had good governance in place to prevent it - their CEO of the time is now running an A-league club - whereas the players have careers ruined.

    And not just those that doped. Think of a young draftee this year - say a talent like their first pick. He's done nought wrong, but his first few years in the system will be cruelled through having to play in a side devoid of talent around him, pushed into situations he shouldn't be because others are absent, and is now stuck at a club distracted and demoralised by the whole shebang. Is his whole career effected as a consequence? Arguably yes.
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    Gill the Dill or Fitzpatrick must surely stand down after this right ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CureTheSane View Post
    Yeah, I don't. Somebody sticks a needle in my arm, and I'm a professional athlete, then I blame myself, and they should blame themselves. Idiots.

    AFL will get what they deserve for the way they handled it.
    Thoroughly agree.

    My approach to the players' situation from the beginning was that all they needed to do was ask the team doctor about the injections, and if they did, they would have fulfilled any reasonable standard requirement. Now it emerges that the players, as well as the coaches (note the plural) kept it secret from the DOCTOR! And some are already complaining about 12 months; they should be grateful it wasn't two years.
    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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    Another thread killed in "general footy chat" graveyard.

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    I agree. They obviously knew what they were doing was wrong or they would not have kept it secret. Lets not pretend they are children. Most of them are are grown men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnsweredPrayers View Post
    I agree. They obviously knew what they were doing was wrong or they would not have kept it secret. Lets not pretend they are children. Most of them are are grown men.
    I agree to this up to a certain point.The established star players sure but the the younger up and coming were really under pressure to do it and , as the stars did it ,if they didn't it would be the end of their career , at least at Essendon..The playing group had to make a stand , and they didn't.

    Gee , James Hird has really come out of this caked in mud. One wonders how his lawyer wife let him do it . Perhaps he fessed up to her after it hit the fan and all she could do was damage control.

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    One story I've never seen written on this is - 34 players done, Zaharakis is renowned for refusing to take needles so he's excused. But who and what is the story of the other players on the list at the time as to why they weren't injected?

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    No sympathy at all for the players, they kept the injections a secret from ASADA and the club doctor so they definitely knew it was cheating...not a single one of them bothered to call the WADA hotline to double check either. Then on top of that there's the repeated lies about Dank not attending certain away games which was proved false.

    I don't think it's fair at all that the bombers aren't receiving any further punishment from the AFL...it's farcical if they end up with a number one draft pick as a result of doping. It's also laughable that the AFL are granting them salary cap and list concessions and that the players still get paid.

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    I couldn't stand listening to Fitzpatrick and Gil during their press conference. I know it's not the same thing as the Essendon situation but I still feel cheated that we were banned for doing NOTHING wrong!

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    They're just going to do all they can to avoid further legal action from Essendon.

    If I knew the Swans could take an ex-bomber and then upgrade a rookie if the worst eventuated, then I would have been all for it.
    Clubs that took Bombers knew the risks, rolled the dice and lost.
    The AFL are endorsing 'get out of jail free cards' for gamblers!!!!
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    Bombers fallout.

    Plenty of discussion about this in other forums but it would be nice to have an informed and civilized discussion about this on RWO.

    I have just been watching ABC news and an interview was had with Peter Jess who advised Jobe Watson and manages three other involved players.

    He said it like it is and called a spade a spade. In short he blamed the AFL for the current mess and called for Fitzpatrick and McLachlan to resign, said the costs would be in the order of 30 to 50 million and noted that the Thymosin program started in 2012 after it had been banned on January 1st of that year. The club was either ignorant of this or knowingly undertook an illegal drugs regime.

    He said that In 2011 the Bombers met with the AFL about starting a peptides program and the AFL gave it tacit support.

    He also said that there will be no other alternative but for the players to sue and that the AFL should show some leadership and avoid the litigation be developing a support scheme for the effected players.

    Certainly can't argue against the call for resignations. If the game is to move forward this MUST HAPPEN!
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    Quote Originally Posted by i'm-uninformed2 View Post
    One story I've never seen written on this is - 34 players done, Zaharakis is renowned for refusing to take needles so he's excused. But who and what is the story of the other players on the list at the time as to why they weren't injected?
    They denied Joe Daniher was in 'the programme' as he was only 17 at the time. Maybe their other recruits (18 year olds) were also 'excused' or not deemed worthy by the great James Hird.

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