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    Geelong were great in the second but Richmond are making a statement now. Cats must steady and regain momentum....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velour&Ruffles View Post
    You may've been around too long, rather than long enough, because your memory has failed you on a couple of vital facts in these scenarios. It's bad enough copping this crap from other supporters, let alone Swans fans themselves getting it wrong.

    First, Barry Hall was NOT given a free pass. He was NOT cleared. He WAS found guilty. He was given a week. Under the rules at the time - which applied to everyone - he got a week's discount because of the length of time he'd been "clean" (hard to believe given what happened 2006 onwards but for the previous 4 years he had been a model citizen). So comparisons of 2005 Baz to Toby Greene are way, way off.

    Second, Dunkley wasn't even CITED until the Wednesday of Grand Final week! We were in effect denied any of the usual ability to prepare a defence and appeal in a timely fashion, plus having all those processes going on would have meant we'd have been unsettled right up to game day. It was mindbogglingly incompetent mismanagement by the AFL and they absolutely deserved to be taken to court. The little grub Greene had effectively already had one of his appeals heard 24 hours before Dunkley was even cited. Again, a totally different situation.

    I know there is a lot of revisionist history about us now, largely sponsored by that fat multi-chinned @@@@@, but no need to add misinformed weight to his David Irving efforts.
    David I***** ? Not sure that name should ever be mentioned anywhere.

    Re Barry Hall ; wasn't he suspended in 2002 for five weeks for eye gouging Mathew Primus.

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    Hmm it's turned around in the 3rd quarter. Richmond with all the pressure and Geelong turning the ball over. Richmond have all the confidence now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel_C View Post
    Hmm it's turned around in the 3rd quarter. Richmond with all the pressure and Geelong turning the ball over. Richmond have all the confidence now.
    Pretty good game. Time for the Danger to step up. Go Cats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTigers View Post
    David I***** ? Not sure that name should ever be mentioned anywhere.

    Re Barry Hall ; wasn't he suspended in 2002 for five weeks for eye gouging Mathew Primus.
    So he was. So he was only clean for the previous 3.5 seasons rather than 4. Not sure that changes the analysis (given 3 seasons was the tipping point for the discount rule). And over his last 3.5 seasons that little slime has had 11 (yes 11) convictions at the tribunal. I'm still pretty comfortable with my point that 2005 Baz and 2019 Greene are not the same thing.
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    Well that sucked. Do you think Hawkins might have been worth 4 goals tonight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09183305 View Post
    Well that sucked. Do you think Hawkins might have been worth 4 goals tonight?
    Tom would be feeling pretty stupid right now......

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTigers View Post
    Pretty good game. Time for the Danger to step up. Go Cats.
    Danger did not fire a shot after half time when most needed. Not for the first time in a big game.

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    Ah the Handbaggers, never fail to disappoint. I wonder if that was Ablett's last game? The look on Hawkins face at the end said it all. He will never get over that.

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    Don’t forget Tigers we’re missing Rance.
    The Tigers fans must all rob empty homes to have the money to attend all their games and finals and afford all their T-bones.
    They put on a show .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder Shaker View Post
    The Tribunal process is so opaque now.

    When they brought in the points and gradings, it made the system easy to understand. Everyone could understand what it meant to have 93.75 points on a player's record for 12 months or how penalties for bad records applied.

    Now? That's gone and with it the consistency. A player like Greene could go up 18 times in eight years and get off with fine after fine. How does that even work?
    It's a reflection of society in general and the AFL in particular, that the following conflicts of interests occurred in the Toby Greene case leading into the Preliminary Final against Collingwood:

    The person who laid the charge and imposed the one week ban played all his long career at Collingwood, including the 1990 flag. Two members of the first tribunal were ex Collingwood players. One of them played in the 1990 flag as well. This same person was actually interviewed on TV in the Collingwood rooms after the game enthusiastically talking up their chances in the Preliminary Final. Even if all these people are as straight as a die, it used to be that if there was only a hint of a possible conflict of interest, then somebody else without any hint of a conflict would take their place. No wonder GWS are seething, especially with the Collingwood president being the king of conflicts of interests. Giants CEO has called this out in the press, basically hinting at corruption. AFL have said they won't fine him for his comments which is astonishing in itself. Absolute circus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood Fever View Post
    It's a reflection of society in general and the AFL in particular, that the following conflicts of interests occurred in the Toby Greene case leading into the Preliminary Final against Collingwood:

    The person who laid the charge and imposed the one week ban played all his long career at Collingwood, including the 1990 flag. Two members of the first tribunal were ex Collingwood players. One of them played in the 1990 flag as well. This same person was actually interviewed on TV in the Collingwood rooms after the game enthusiastically talking up their chances in the Preliminary Final. Even if all these people are as straight as a die, it used to be that if there was only a hint of a possible conflict of interest, then somebody else without any hint of a conflict would take their place. No wonder GWS are seething, especially with the Collingwood president being the king of conflicts of interests. Giants CEO has called this out in the press, basically hinting at corruption. AFL have said they won't fine him for his comments which is astonishing in itself. Absolute circus.
    Maybe so for now, but the AFL is very vindictive and no doubt down the track will penalize GWS, eg. the action they took with the trade restrictions imposed on the Swans a few years ago even though they did nothing wrong and abided by the rules!

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