All-Australian Swans?

**TheBloods** · 22nd August 2022, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by mcs

What facts would they be TB? That is all pure subjective opinion. Show me the facts then that demonstrate solely Warner has 'driven us up the ladder ' or that we'd have done no good if he wasn't there? You are welcome to your subjective opinions, but drop the bull@@@@ that there are any substantial facts out there to prove it as an objective truth.

And where have I undesold anything. I am simply asking for some recognition that there are 21 other blokes out there and they are playing a team game.

Your current obsession is increasingly as nauseating as your previous character assassination campaign.

Did i say there werent 21 others !

Apologise for saying facts then , how is this . Do you think Richmond win 3 flags without Dusty ? There is the team but you need elite talents . We have elite players . Mills is elite . He is a fantastic two way mid , i have never bagged him and never will , had captain material from day 1 . Parker has been elite over the years . Rampe was elite for his position many years . But they are not elite TALENTS . They cant do what Chad can do and very few can and these players are the ones that separate the premiers from the rest of the contenders . That is my point . I am not ignoring what others have done , im praising what Chad has done to give us the edge . Is that fair to you ,

And by the way Chad isnt the only one . I have said on repeat now that Jmac. Errol and Blakey will be of a similar level . They just arent there yet , no dramas

**joeykanga** · 22nd August 2022, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by mcs

What facts would they be TB? That is all pure subjective opinion. Show me the facts then that demonstrate solely Warner has 'driven us up the ladder ' or that we'd have done no good if he wasn't there? You are welcome to your subjective opinions, but drop the bull@@@@ that there are any substantial facts out there to prove it as an objective truth.

And where have I undesold anything. I am simply asking for some recognition that there are 21 other blokes out there and they are playing a team game.

Your current obsession is increasingly as nauseating as your previous character assassination campaign.

The thing that really annoys me about his obsession with The Chad is that we clearly had a player constantly undermined that was simply better on the weekend for us than the Chad was and even though it's no longer mentioned it grates...because of its glaring omission.

**jono2707** · 22nd August 2022, 08:01 PM

Excellent that we've had 4 players nominated. I think Mills and Papley deserve it, but maybe Paps has missed too many games, so maybe it'll just be Mills. Regardless, all 4 nominations are well deserved, and it's good news that we should all celebrate (and try to ignore yet another thread hijacking).

**mcs** · 22nd August 2022, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheBloods

Did i say there werent 21 others !

Apologise for saying facts then , how is this . Do you think Richmond win 3 flags without Dusty ? There is the team but you need elite talents . We have elite players . Mills is elite . He is a fantastic two way mid , i have never bagged him and never will , had captain material from day 1 . Parker has been elite over the years . Rampe was elite for his position many years . But they are not elite TALENTS . They cant do what Chad can do and very few can and these players are the ones that separate the premiers from the rest of the contenders . That is my point . I am not ignoring what others have done , im praising what Chad has done to give us the edge . Is that fair to you ,

And by the way Chad isnt the only one . I have said on repeat now that Jmac. Errol and Blakey will be of a similar level . They just arent there yet , no dramas

I have no idea if Richmond win 3 flags or not. I don't have a time machine to eliminate him from the equation and player counter history.

If I did have a time machine I'd have a lot of other better uses for it than finding that out.

Maybe they don't. But maybe they do.

After all, the hawks won 3 flags straight after losing an all time great to a rival after the first one didn't they?

I don't disagree you need elite players to be right up there. Of course you do. And maybe in some grand finals they do truly make the difference between a win and a loss.

But equally, one could mount a strong case to say that in close grand finals (hard to judge in blowouts) just as often it is actually those at the bottom end of the team that make the difference on the day.

I'd argue in 2005 and 2012 we had significantly less elite talent than our opponents. But we had the better team on the day, and in particular for 2012 the vastly better performances from the often quoted 'bottom six' and many of the lesser lights that were important cogs in the team.

There were of course moments of magic from the best - there always is. But equally there were unsung heroes, far from elite on any objective measure, but able to have elite moments when it counts most.

Looks through the history of grand finals and you'll see plenty of other examples of that too.

Anyway back on topic. Well done to all 4 our of nominees. All 4 have been judged as deserving to make the squad and deserve praise for doing so. And if any make it, they will deserve to be there, despite claims to the contrary.

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**i'm-uninformed2** · 23rd August 2022, 11:25 AM

Blakey, Chad and Tom Mc named in the AFLPA 22 under 22 side.

Three Swans named in 22Under22

**TheBloods** · 23rd August 2022, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by i'm-uninformed2

Blakey, Chad and Tom Mc named in the AFLPA 22 under 22 side.

Three Swans named in 22Under22

No Errol ? Are they mad !

**dejavoodoo44** · 23rd August 2022, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by i'm-uninformed2

Blakey, Chad and Tom Mc named in the AFLPA 22 under 22 side.

Three Swans named in 22Under22

AFL player ratings by age.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AFLPlayer...891264/photo/1

Gulden and Warner are both rated 1 for their cohorts. Blakey is 2 for his.