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    “Often times the stiffness can be treated, and the pain resolves. It takes the repaired rotator cuff tendons about six weeks to heal initially to the bone, three months to form a relatively strong attachment to the bone, and about six to nine months before the tendon is completely healed to the bone.“

    Long recovery 9 to 12 months

    hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/failed-rotator-cuff-repairs#:~:text=Often%20times%20the%20stiffness%20 can,completely%20healed%20to%20the%20bone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck'n'Roll View Post
    I don't follow Carlton, but didn't Dow lose his place in their firsts because George Hewett is at the Blues?
    More likely for Cerra. He played pretty well when he came into the team late in the season. Very stiff not to play finals. I can understand him wanting to move. If we get both then I reckon we are going to the draft for a couple of key defenders.

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    The only reason we traded Hewett was because “dog” Dawson had committed via text to key Swan management they had nothing to worry about, and they accepted this in good faith. Salary cap was tight, and in order to fit Dawson in they had to find a way, and George Hewett was placed on the trade market to make room for Dawson. Hewett was happy in Sydney and did not want to leave the club.
    If Dawson had been honest with the club Hewett would still be in Sydney

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRS328 View Post
    The only reason we traded Hewett was because “dog” Dawson had committed via text to key Swan management they had nothing to worry about, and they accepted this in good faith. Salary cap was tight, and in order to fit Dawson in they had to find a way, and George Hewett was placed on the trade market to make room for Dawson. Hewett was happy in Sydney and did not want to leave the club.
    If Dawson had been honest with the club Hewett would still be in Sydney
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie.Gerald View Post
    John Hopkins

    “Often times the stiffness can be treated, and the pain resolves. It takes the repaired rotator cuff tendons about six weeks to heal initially to the bone, three months to form a relatively strong attachment to the bone, and about six to nine months before the tendon is completely healed to the bone.“

    Long recovery 9 to 12 months

    hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/failed-rotator-cuff-repairs#:~:text=Often%20times%20the%20stiffness%20 can,completely%20healed%20to%20the%20bone.
    I suspect that’s for normal people who don’t have top end specialists at their disposal etc - but berthing I read has said elite athletes in a professional environment for a major rotator tear off the bone between 4 - 6 months - I am hoping this is right lol I prefer to be optimistic lol 😂

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    surely we dont want/need Dow. Jordan is the replacement for stephens

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwjoyner View Post
    surely we dont want/need Dow. Jordan is the replacement for stephens
    Not sure what the overall plan is but I think we can all agree what we have is not working and needs changing, wether it’s change of players, tactics, body development in the younger players or a little of everything

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    I don't see the point of recruiting players who are leaving their current clubs due to lack of AFL playing time only to land at a club where they join a queue of players vying for AFL spots.

    I prefer Jordon to Dow, but think each would be in a similar position at the Swans as they are at their current clubs.

    I can't see recruiting both, unless we are planning to make much deeper cuts to our playing list than most are projecting.

    We can look at recruiting Jordon to replace Stephens as a player upgrade plus the addition of a draft pick, seemingly a win from that superficial perspective.

    We keep replaying the Hewitt trade, changing the story as time rolls on. We were trying to transition to a quicker midfield and couldn't find a spot for Hewitt in that midfield. He was tried at HB, but that was never going to work our.

    If we do recruit both Jordon and Dow, it would be and indication that our 2022 draft crop is not projecting well and most are likely to be delisted in the next couple of years.

    A bit of conjecture about what could have been if we drafted Serong instead of Stephens: We would have found that contested ball winner we were looking for, so by the 2021 draft we would more likely have taken JVR with our first pick instead of Sheldrick, who profiles similar to Serong. JVR would have likely slotted in as a key defender, where he played so well during in his draft year. Maybe all our problems would have been solved if we got the 2019 draft right.
    Last edited by Ludwig; 30th September 2023 at 01:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRS328 View Post
    The only reason we traded Hewett was because “dog” Dawson had committed via text to key Swan management they had nothing to worry about, and they accepted this in good faith. Salary cap was tight, and in order to fit Dawson in they had to find a way, and George Hewett was placed on the trade market to make room for Dawson. Hewett was happy in Sydney and did not want to leave the club.
    If Dawson had been honest with the club Hewett would still be in Sydney
    I’ve been as critical as anyone on here of the duplicity of Dawson and you are right to say he double crossed us, but this isn’t correct.

    We still had some residual salary cap issues that had to be resolved regardless, particularly given the club had a view it’d need to keep making space for the litany of high end talent coming through. Plus, there was the move of Mills and emergence of Rowbottom and Warner in the middle. It all added up to the decision to let Hewitt go, right or wrong.
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  10. #2542
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    This value trade nothing special at the time trade would make u happy?

    “BOBBY Hill is the first player to swap clubs in the 2022 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period after Collingwood and Greater Western Sydney signed off on a deal on Monday morning.

    The Giants trade Hill and its round-three selection (pick No.40) to Collingwood for its round-three selection (43) and its future second-round selection.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie.Gerald View Post
    Luddy

    This value trade nothing special at the time trade would make u happy?

    “BOBBY Hill is the first player to swap clubs in the 2022 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period after Collingwood and Greater Western Sydney signed off on a deal on Monday morning.

    The Giants trade Hill and its round-three selection (pick No.40) to Collingwood for its round-three selection (43) and its future second-round selection.”
    I didn't think much of Bobby Hill when he played for the Giants, but he's been fantastic since moving to Collingwood. Maybe the same will happen to Stephens when he moves to North. As we know, a lot of Swans have great years after leaving the club.

    Like I've been saying, so much depends on luck and umpiring that list management plays only a small part in winning a premiership, but at least it's something under our control.

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    2023 - 33 goals at the Pies in one season
    2019 to 2022 - 34 goals over 4 seasons

    McRae said in his post match today he had been texting Bobby even the season before they got him across.

    What did McRae see when Bobby was only achieving 7, 4, 14, 9 goals in his previous 4 seasons?

    If we recruited a small forward that had only produced the above 34 goals over 4 seasons I suspect that many of our supporters would have said KB has gone nuts ?

    I think list management played a significant part in identifying what the Pies wanted and they got 33 goals this season from a player not looking anything like that total the previous 4 seasons.

    Luck and umpiring didn’t seem to make an impact across his 24 games this season. Effort, skill and anticipation jumped way ahead of luck and umpiring Luddy.

    So the point being that 4th and 5th year players are very tricky to measure for us supporters.

    McRae and Wright seemed to assess miles ahead of us punters with Bobby.

    Maybe……just maybe……so to with one or two “depth” players coming to the swans for 2024…… that some of us think are only depth and a waste to the squad but list management see diamonds in the sand?

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