Swans offer Kerr 5 years

[ROK Lobster]

Kerr and Canberra...I'm sure there is a link there somewhere.

Given the power of the leadership group I guess he really will be "Kirk's Kerr".

[laughingnome]

If we're going for Kerr, we might as well make a place for Cousens. Don't want either of them to get lonely. After all I'm sure they have contacts in Sydney.

We don't have to give anybody up for Benny boy.

Not sure if this is tongue in cheek or not, but it does pose the question - Why pay dearly for Kerr when we could grab Cousins for a song?

[connolly]

What do recreational drugs have to do with sports integrity any more so than domestic violence?

There is critical difference. Having a conversation with a suspected drug dealer talking about trying out Ketamine is part of the difference. Ketamine is not an innocuous "recreational" drug. Ketamine is a powerful drug commonly misused by weightlifters and bodybuilders. Ketamine is also a notorious "date rape drug. It is also commonly used by ecstacy users to help them sleep. It was first used as a "recreational"drug by US soldiers in the Vietnam war. Dosages at relatively low levels lead to energy rushes and euphoria. Ketamine is a stimulant at a low dose and therefore can improve sports performance. This is an insidious form of cheating. And therefore destroys the integrity of sport. And of course it has also been shown to cause permanent changes in the brain of rats.

[connolly]

Why? You've given no reason for that opinion.

It is so obvious it hardly needs repeating. Drug use (whether so-called "recreational" or performance enhancing) is a serious type of cheating in sport. Thats why athletes are subjected to drug testing but not asked "when did you stop beating your wife".

[ROK Lobster]

Ketamine is also a notorious "date rape drugs." [...] Dosages at relatively low levels lead to energy rushes and euphoria. Ketamine is a stimulant at a low dose and therefore can improve sports performance.

So does the rapist take it himself?

[BSA5]

It is so obvious it hardly needs repeating. Drug use (whether so-called "recreational" or performance enhancing) is a serious type of cheating in sport. Thats why athletes are subjected to drug testing but not asked "when did you stop beating your wife".

Recreational drug use rarely aids performance. With performance enhancing drugs, yes, it is a corruption of the very sport itself, and as such is in a different category (not worse, just different) than spousal abuse, which is a private issue. Recreational drugs are just that: recreational. They have no more of a bearing on the players' professional lives than spousal abuse. That isn't to say it has nil impact, but neither does spousal abuse. Private issues will always manifest themselves in some way on the field. The impact is just far less great and far less direct than performance enhancing drugs. The impact will also almost certainly be negative, in terms of on-field results.

And I know you're going to argue that recreational drugs ARE often performance enhancing. Can't be bothered having that argument. I'm pretty sure we've had it before anyway.

[connolly]

So does the rapist take it himself?

I have read somewhere that it is also a sexual depressant. Hence many Ketamine users also take Viagra. So i guess the answer is no.

[connolly]

Recreational drug use rarely aids performance. With performance enhancing drugs, yes, it is a corruption of the very sport itself, and as such is in a different category (not worse, just different) than spousal abuse, which is a private issue. Recreational drugs are just that: recreational. They have no more of a bearing on the players' professional lives than spousal abuse. That isn't to say it has nil impact, but neither does spousal abuse. Private issues will always manifest themselves in some way on the field. The impact is just far less great and far less direct than performance enhancing drugs. The impact will also almost certainly be negative, in terms of on-field results.

And I know you're going to argue that recreational drugs ARE often performance enhancing. Can't be bothered having that argument. I'm pretty sure we've had it before anyway.

We have. What a professional athlete puts into their body is always going to affect performance in some way.

[ROK Lobster]

I have read somewhere that it is also a sexual depressant. Hence many Ketamine users also take Viagra. So i guess the answer is no.

There is something very homoerotic about your avatar.

[connolly]

There is something very homoerotic about your avatar.

A missionary position tackle?

[SimonH]

There is something very homoerotic about your avatar.

By sheer weight of shots on goal, eventually you were going to put one through, post-high, from 65 metres out after the final siren.

You've finally done it. Congratulations.

[Mattyt]

There is critical difference. Having a conversation with a suspected drug dealer talking about trying out Ketamine is part of the difference. Ketamine is not an innocuous "recreational" drug. Ketamine is a powerful drug commonly misused by weightlifters and bodybuilders. Ketamine is also a notorious "date rape drug. It is also commonly used by ecstacy users to help them sleep. It was first used as a "recreational"drug by US soldiers in the Vietnam war. Dosages at relatively low levels lead to energy rushes and euphoria. Ketamine is a stimulant at a low dose and therefore can improve sports performance. This is an insidious form of cheating. And therefore destroys the integrity of sport. And of course it has also been shown to cause permanent changes in the brain of rats.

Honestly, I understand you may have read up about on a thing such as ketamine, but let me tell you, there is NO way that Kerr ever gained an advantage from using Ketamine, NO WAY at all. People who have had a small dose of Ketamine have difficulty even standing up, so tell me how it would aid in football or training? In large doses of Ketamine the user will have difficulty communicating, and let me just say, as a date rape drug, Ketamine would probably be the most inefficient one to use. Doses required to actually put someone to sleep EXCEED 1 gram if ingested orally, so if a girl doesn't notice the sickly salty burn down her throat long enough for her to ingest 1 GRAM of the stuff, then well, I really think she may beyond help in the first place. It's not a date rape drug, that's just bull@@@@ media talk.