The "I believe Mike Sheahan is a w@nker" register

[AnnieH]

And what is the relevance of this to Goodes in 2008?

Its of no relevance to Goodes in 2008.

We're talking about Mike Sheahan's Top 50 (which, we all agree, needs a little tweaking).

Somewhere along the line, I said the brownlow determined who was the "best" (implying that Mike Sheahan had nothing to do with it).

Then you said the brownlow was of little relevance [compared to Sheahan's list] (or words to that effect) - that was my interpretation of what I thought you meant.

Than I said that the person who wins the brownlow is remembered as the best player for that year, i.e. Cooney for 2008 (or words to that effect). I used Goodesy's as an example of the No. 1 player in 2006 and one of a three-way tie in 2003.

Just because Mike Sheahan doesn't rate Goodesy in his Top 50 doesn't mean that Goodesy doesn't rate in "a" Top 50.

In the ratings that count (i.e. charlie votes), Goodesy came 5th.

I think I'd prefer the umpires take on a game than Mike Sheahans. They are, after all, a lot closer to the action.

[Lohengrin]

If it determines the 'best' then Goodes in fifth place is irrelevant, which was your original point.
It's amazing that you are going with the umpires on anything given what you say about them normally!

[shaun..]

But they did get it horribly wrong with Goodes, it was bordering on embarassing...and tarnishes his image as it gives extra ammunition for those that boo him and call him "protected"

[AnnieH]

If it determines the 'best' then Goodes in fifth place is irrelevant, which was your original point.
It's amazing that you are going with the umpires on anything given what you say about them normally!

Ah come on, you should know better.
I only love the maggots when they're handing out charlie votes to Goodesy. Other than that, there's no place for them in today's game!

[ScottH]

Just with a quick glance... any of these.
anyway... everyone has their opinions... maybe next year i might watch whatever game you were watching...



11. S. Fisher, St Kilda.

18. J. Brown, Brisbane.

23. M. Hudghton, St Kilda.

24. N. Bock, Adelaide.

26. C. Bateman, Hawthorn.

27. D. Bradshaw, Brisbane.

28. D. Petrie, North Melbourne.

29. C. Enright, Geelong.

30. K. Cornes, Port Adelaide.

34. D. Morris, Western Bulldogs.

36. L. Davis, Collingwood.

37. D. Motlop, Port Adelaide.

39. B. Sewell, Hawthorn.

46. L. Power, Brisbane.

47. S. Thompson, Adelaide.

48. M. Osborne, Hawthorn.

49. D. Hille, Essendon.

50. M. Boyd, Western Bulldogs.

5 of those won club B&F this year.

[swansrule100]

yeh but you'd think 5th would mean you sneak into the top 50!
Its a ridiculous statement to make that Goodes didn't play better than anyone on that list...

You might as well throw him around in trade week!!! straight swap for Lovett ya reckon swansrule100???

the brownlow votes goodes got were a joke, he would probably admit that. I did not say he was not a top player. Goodes is one of the top 20 players in the league.

But as i said he would struggle to knock out any of those 50 for 2008 form. He didnt even crack the top 10 in our best and fairest did he?? didnt go close to winning it, so for goodes to make it, surely mattner and bevan and co should be in ahead?

Or can we only use the brownlow medal to make the list?

[reigning premier]

Goodes = @@@@@ in 2008.

[Triple B]

goodes didnt play better than anyone on that list this year

Fifth in the charlie count says otherwise.

Not in the top 10 of his clubs B&F say's something totally different again.

[reigning premier]

Just with a quick glance... any of these.
anyway... everyone has their opinions... maybe next year i might watch whatever game you were watching...



11. S. Fisher, St Kilda.

18. J. Brown, Brisbane.

23. M. Hudghton, St Kilda.

24. N. Bock, Adelaide.

26. C. Bateman, Hawthorn.

27. D. Bradshaw, Brisbane.

28. D. Petrie, North Melbourne.

29. C. Enright, Geelong.

30. K. Cornes, Port Adelaide.

34. D. Morris, Western Bulldogs.

36. L. Davis, Collingwood.

37. D. Motlop, Port Adelaide.

39. B. Sewell, Hawthorn.

46. L. Power, Brisbane.

47. S. Thompson, Adelaide.

48. M. Osborne, Hawthorn.

49. D. Hille, Essendon.

50. M. Boyd, Western Bulldogs.

That's a VERY handy starting 18.... Who's on your bench?

Are they all out of contract? I'd happily trade our starting 18 for that lot. Goodes included.