Another see ya later Mitch post. Very highly researched though.
Another see ya later Mitch post. Very highly researched though.
Sybil80 is back??Originally Posted by WauchopeAnalyst
Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09
What don't get is how Hanners, Parker and Mitchell are classified as slow. The don't seem to plod around the ground to me. Sure they don't skip across the grass like Jets does but they aren't slow.
"Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017
Well not as WA
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Hi all
Once again, I thought we were better then most, but posters like playing the man not the ball.
Ball movement, in times of speed and efficiency are created 2 different ways.
Ball speed and foot speed.
If the ball is moved quickly and continually it makes us play like a fast team, as per David King and champion data.
Foot speed shows that once on the spread our mids are exposed and our defence keeps us in the game. I can't see any of the 4 running down any player, except Hannebery with his running power late in the game.
I don't think that me previous post was a Titch bashing or that I hate Tom or that Joey is too old.
I though my post was about thinking about the speed of the game.
If Nico, Triple B, Rogue Swan and Untamed Swan believe that a ball winner is more important than foot speed, maybe you are right in finals, but maybe ALL premierships are won on the MCG, and that foot speed is becoming more and more important with the changes of rules on marks, frees, man on the mark, rotations etc
Hawks last 3 premiership teams didn't have anymore foot speed than our midfield, with Issac Smith and Brad Hill the exceptions. Those guys however are outside receivers who play on the wings.
Obviously it would be nice if a couple of our outside players (i.e. Cunningham, Lloyd, Rohan) could lift their game to match Smith/Hill as they aren't anywhere near that level
Some players seem to have "time" when they get the ball - these players are very important.
They may not be the fasted foot speed players in the side, but what they do with the ball - in releasing other players - I feel is more important.
Very true wolf, Mitchell, Pendlebury have genius talent but ours was Mcveigh and I am still not convinced about his play since 2014 GF.
On the little bit that I've seen of Mills, I'm pretty sure that he has that elite sporting mind that sees things just that millisecond quicker than mere mortals. I think that he is going to a very classy ball user in the not too distant future.
Hawks are a slow side which was shown on the weekend but they are a elite kicking team compared to us and other teams
What is a slow side?
Is it one with a certain percentage of players considered to be not as fleet footed as the average?
Which team (or teams) is considered normal ie: not fast or slow?
Is it related to the age of the team? Are GSW, Gold Coast and the Dogs regarded as fast teams because of their average age? Hawthorn are slow because they are older?
BTW, older teams are the ones that win premierships (the Baby Bombers being one exception), which puts North in a strong position to win this year.
Has someone got a record of everyone's 20m, 100m and 400m times?
I think it is an illusion. The media perpetuates the fast/slow thing too. Just like the Swans are still a dour team that wants stoppages and contested ball all game when we are really a dynamic team with a lot of exciting footballers.
The Tigers, in the second half of last year, were a very exciting, fast team. This year they have pretty much the same make up but are now considered a slow team. It is all in the way they play, not the athleticism of the team.
I hope I haven't waffled too much, it is hard to write this properly when I supposed to be paying attention to the meeting I am sitting in.
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"Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017
I probably disagree about the illusion. Ball movement can make you like good and fast, like us, and all things are good. If you are blocked on your ball movement then to go forward you need foot speed to "break the lines" and break down the defence. If you little to no foot speed you are in big problems. The Giants showed 3 great things, for that game, not all, 1) win the ball and deny the Hawks the ball and then 2 and 3, use ball and foot speed to hurt them. Their systems started to break down on their set ups and spread because they were chasing most of the time.
Now in particular with Richmond. Now that their ball movement has been blocked, as all clubs do their homework, they are exposed as being very slow in foot speed in BOTH directions.
On the weekend, Zorko, Hanley and their crew killed us on the outside, with foot speed, and we were lucky that Buddy, Parker and George kicked 11 between them and our ball movement.
I would use the opposite with Adelaide. For several years we have owned Adelaide and we were making them look pedestrian but now after Walsh and now Pyke they have both ball and foot speed and that has made them very much a contender.
Beveridge had the same players at McCartney but Beveridge changed their mindset and systems and now they use both foot and ball speed in their game and without their injuries that could have been anything.
Richardson and the Saints are building a team on both foot and ball speed with a few new key position players in the coming years they will come into their own.
The AFL has changed the game, regarding keeping the ball in, man on the mark and surrounding areas, far more less ball up/ins and foot speed is becoming more important in the game.
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