Swans leaders to consider Hall punishment

[goswannie14]

Johnsons were for off field behaviour because of being out on to too much booze, too often - also his recent speeding event ( but his premiership and Norm Smith medal credits kicked in on that one)

So we're saying that this is chalk and cheese, right?

[Wardy]

Interestingly the Geelong leadership group acted in a similar fashion with regards to Steve Johnson's indiscretion. So it may well be 'right' if the goal is team success.

Johnsons were for off field behaviour because of being out on to too much booze, too often - also his recent speeding event ( but his premiership and Norm Smith medal credits kicked in on that one)

[bodgie]

Hall was/is never a great on-field leader. He can be a great player with inspiring deeds and copping heaps of @@@@. He is also prone to flapping his arms around like a complete selfish goose and thouhtless aggression. He intimidates the players kicking to him. It will be great to have him back as part of the team. I also hope that he stops 'writing' his lam arse column excusing himself week after week.

[Plugger46]

I heard on the radio that Hall is to resign his position in the leadership group and so he should.

I have been away for 3 weeks and haven't got involved in the RWO debate on his case, but he proved to me once and for all time that he has no leadership skills. He might be a tough hard footballer but has a vacuum up top when it comes to any cognative brain function.

My first reaction to the incident was: "how much has this bloke let down the team and it's supporters".

It was purely and simply a dog act and showed what a selfish individual he is.

Here we are playing bloody darn good footy and this prat lets fly and potentially turns all that on its head. He apologised to Staker but I haven't heard him apologise to his team mates or supporters. Correct me if I have missed something while I was away.

Don't spend all your money before you retire Barry because no one will be running after you to give you a job.

The positive to all this is we have 10 weeks to see if the forward structure of the future can be moulded without the Einstein of the team.

Good to have you back Uncle. Also good to see that amazingly you're talking more crap now, than you were before you left

[CureTheSane]

I heard on the radio that Hall is to resign his position in the leadership group and so he should.

No he shouldn't

I have been away for 3 weeks and haven't got involved in the RWO debate on his case, but he proved to me once and for all time that he has no leadership skills. He might be a tough hard footballer but has a vacuum up top when it comes to any cognative brain function.

You have no idea of his leadership skills unless you know him, or have an insiders point og view into the club and the leadership he provides for the rest of the players.
I'd suggest that he wasn't given that position without possessing leadership skills.
Goodes still isn't in that group, so it certainly is not based on form. It is based on one's ability to lead.
And that doesn't just go away after a hit.
It was a mistake, he still has leadership skills (as defined by the clkub whoi placed him in that position) and he should remain in a position of leadership.

My first reaction to the incident was: "how much has this bloke let down the team and it's supporters".

Mine was "how long will he be gone?"
He didn't let me down at all.

It was purely and simply a dog act and showed what a selfish individual he is.

Absolute rubbish.

Here we are playing bloody darn good footy and this prat lets fly and potentially turns all that on its head. He apologised to Staker but I haven't heard him apologise to his team mates or supporters. Correct me if I have missed something while I was away.

Yes, he did it on purpose.... *sarcasm mode off*
Which of his team mates told you that he hadn't apologised to them?

Don't spend all your money before you retire Barry because no one will be running after you to give you a job.

That is the silliest comment yet.
His purse for his first boxing match after footy just doubled (at least)
Then there's all the other media and sports related opportunities.
*sarcasm mode on* Dermie certainly flopped big time since leaving footy *sarcasm mode off*

The positive to all this is we have 10 weeks to see if the forward structure of the future can be moulded without the Einstein of the team.

Of course it can.

[NMWBloods]

It's good to have Nico back with his frank take on things!

[Nico]

I heard on the radio that Hall is to resign his position in the leadership group and so he should.

I have been away for 3 weeks and haven't got involved in the RWO debate on his case, but he proved to me once and for all time that he has no leadership skills. He might be a tough hard footballer but has a vacuum up top when it comes to any cognative brain function.

My first reaction to the incident was: "how much has this bloke let down the team and it's supporters".

It was purely and simply a dog act and showed what a selfish individual he is.

Here we are playing bloody darn good footy and this prat lets fly and potentially turns all that on its head. He apologised to Staker but I haven't heard him apologise to his team mates or supporters. Correct me if I have missed something while I was away.

Don't spend all your money before you retire Barry because no one will be running after you to give you a job.

The positive to all this is we have 10 weeks to see if the forward structure of the future can be moulded without the Einstein of the team.

[CureTheSane]

The leadership group has every right to punish him.

Thats why their the leadership group.

If you cant handle a bit of constructive criticism you shouldnt be in a team environment.

Rhetoric

constructive criticism in not the same as being punished by your peers.

And that is NOT why they are the leadership group.

[goswannie14]

Interestingly the Geelong leadership group acted in a similar fashion with regards to Steve Johnson's indiscretion. So it may well be 'right' if the goal is team success.

Was that an on field or off field indiscretion? Because, as has been pointed out, there is a difference.

[swantastic]

I don't know what the players get out of being able to reprimand their team mate.
I think it's wrong.
Imagine if in your workplace your bosses asked the employees to find an adequate punishment for a workmate (and friend) who was caught sleeping on the job.

I'd be saying "you're the @@@@ing boss - that's YOUR job.
I certainly wouldn't want to be chastising an equal, as the long term embarrassment etc would be detrimental to the relationship.

I'd really love to hear the Swans come out and say ...

"As a group we stick by one another, on the field, off the field, and when one of us makes mistakes.
Barry Hall made a mistake - he was punished by the correct method, and we now offer our support to Barry and our opinions of him being a decent person have not been changed by this one incident.
We look forward to his speedy return to the team"

The leadership group has every right to punish him.

Thats why their the leadership group.

If you cant handle a bit of constructive criticism you shouldnt be in a team environment.

[TheGrimReaper]

Can anyone confirm if Kirk's @@@@ stinks?

Where is Annie Hadded when you want her?

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Can anyone confirm if Kirk's @@@@ stinks?

[bandwagon]

Doesnt mean their hard stance and leadership group strategy is necessarily right or fair ....

Interestingly the Geelong leadership group acted in a similar fashion with regards to Steve Johnson's indiscretion. So it may well be 'right' if the goal is team success.

[Plugger46]

Doesnt mean their hard stance and leadership group strategy is necessarily right or fair Julian. If it had of been that Hall had broken his arm only (and not decked Staker) he would still have been out for a lengthy period and therefore the team would have to make changes and increase the workload anyway - so your theory there has no substance - also the leadership group have added to the publicity - if they had of kept their mouths shut then this would have been all done and dusted on Tuesday night. I certainly hope that none of your mates hang you out to dry when you have done something stupid. Hall didnt murder anyone, the "what if's" have clouded the argument -and the "what if's" didnt happen and Staker will be on the field this weekend.
makes the entire saga a farce.

Could not agree more Wardy.

[Wardy]

I agree & find Wardy's stance rather finnicky to be honest. The Swans have an established player-driven code of ethics and standards that may sound rather cold & clandistyne, but the proof is in the pudding. It obviously works, as the moral around the country appears to be generally pretty sound & the player come across as extremely motivated and full of energy at the moment.

There is no better leveller than being told you have lost your mates, especially in this country. I have no problem with the players coming out & saying this, even if it does come across as rather cold & unsupportive. The facts are as Craig Bolton stated; the platyers will either have to change their roles and/or have to have to play that much harder to compensate for Barry's loss (even if he generally gets towelled up by Scarlet). This loss was unnecessary & I can understand players being fed up with all the unnecessary publicity all this hoohah has brought onto them as a team & the Swans as a club.

At least we don't have a culture like the Eagles where people mucking up are allowed to get away with things & appear to have never had to be pulled into line when they have done so.

You people can choose the club culture you like. I'm happy with ours, thank you very much.

JF

Doesnt mean their hard stance and leadership group strategy is necessarily right or fair Julian. If it had of been that Hall had broken his arm only (and not decked Staker) he would still have been out for a lengthy period and therefore the team would have to make changes and increase the workload anyway - so your theory there has no substance - also the leadership group have added to the publicity - if they had of kept their mouths shut then this would have been all done and dusted on Tuesday night. I certainly hope that none of your mates hang you out to dry when you have done something stupid. Hall didnt murder anyone, the "what if's" have clouded the argument -and the "what if's" didnt happen and Staker will be on the field this weekend.
makes the entire saga a farce.