Should he stay or should he go - the poll

[Robbo]

Some talk of him being traded to the Bulldogs.

YouTube - Sam Newman does his version of the Aussie CGU Insurance ad.......as Barry Hall

[Dalai Lama]

put the gloves on Barrice! Hit the ring Oxford Street style!

[Nico]

This is the first time the coach has genuinely been under the pump.

[connolly]

You know when you hate your job? You're trying to get psyched. "Today's the day I'm going to get it right, make a difference, come out on top". You turn up and everyone you work with gives you the @@@@s. Your clients (opposition) just piss you off with their demands and let's not mention the regulators that keep changing the legislation!
Bazz needs a free month's membership on seek.com

Love the bloke but can't see him staying. I think he's over it and sadly the feeling is mutual. It's not a case of throwing money at him or giving him a promotion. What needs to change to make Baz a happy player? I can't work it out.

Do we want him to be happy? He plays on a mixture of psychological rocket fuel - testerone, anger and determination. He can't be changed only managed. The difference is in the way that Roos & Co are managing him and the situation. If there is anyone who looks like they would rather be somewhere else and @@@@@@ off its the coach. His approach of attacking the player publicly before he has spoken with him is a sure sign of coaching fatigue. One contract too far Roosey? Pretty soon his press conferences will be in the Giovanni Trapattoni mould when he coached Salzburg.

YouTube - Trapattoni - subtitled

Coaches that blame their players publicly should give it away

[annew]

BBBH should stay!

[Jewels]

Who's on first.

Whats on second

I don't know, third base!

[Darren Thomson]

Hally should just pull his head in a fraction, fair dinkum he knocks blokes over by looking at them, remember that Port Adelaide game where he flinched at a bloke and down he went? He is a very fit man, and could probably play possibly 2 more years, question is can we provide him with a midfield that can deliver the ball in a way that he gets a fair crack at it. Probably a minor point would be can he ever expect a fair suck of the savaloy from the umpires? I'd love to see career stats on his frees for and against. Stack themm upo against Wayne Carey, nothing more than a thug with a nice haircut, see what they look like, I'm willing to bet Hally comes off second best. I think he's hard domne by, but in part brought it on himself. In the end, he's our best forward, why would we sack him?

[Darren Thomson]

Who's on first.

Whats on second

[Lucky Knickers]

You know when you hate your job? You're trying to get psyched. "Today's the day I'm going to get it right, make a difference, come out on top". You turn up and everyone you work with gives you the @@@@s. Your clients (opposition) just piss you off with their demands and let's not mention the regulators that keep changing the legislation!
Bazz needs a free month's membership on seek.com

Love the bloke but can't see him staying. I think he's over it and sadly the feeling is mutual. It's not a case of throwing money at him or giving him a promotion. What needs to change to make Baz a happy player? I can't work it out.

[sWAns63]

All you have to do is make 1 rule book for him so he can do anything he likes and a another one for everyone else to say they can't.............see no problem!

[Mountain Man]

He should retire - hopefully gracefully - after a great career.

He would probably not have been permitted to play in '05 if the current football regime was in place, and then yes, the coach and his teammates would have had to learn new trick to feed a newly structured forward line - as they will, again, need to do for the next 2 weeks.

It is not suiting him, and probably not suiting the team.

[connolly]

Don't disagree with the points you made there, but Hall crossed the line with the king hit on staker which was one of the more disgraceful efforts i have seen on the football field.

Since that incident he owed it to his teammates and coach to stay out of trouble. The Rutten hit wasn't that big if it was an isolated incident but it wasn't.

I mean is it really that hard to not punch an opponent for no reason on the football field??????

It's not much to ask but he just couldnt help himself and the team is poorer as a result

The liability he places on the team is that when he sees the red mist, we effectively play 1 man short, it's similar to the effect Fevola has on the Blues and it is a massive negative.

Having played football with hotheads before it is extremely disheartening when youre busting your gut and 1 player lets the team down with undisciplined acts. Additionaly, there's nothing better for an opposition team then to see an opponent lose their cool, its a psychological boost as you know you've got them on toast

Agree with all that. He acted like a bad mug. But he will still give us a lot with the young players. Jesse White and Kris Thornton against the Crows were really supportive after the incident.

[caj23]

Big Beamish like a lot of big aggressive players - Mooney, Brereton, Plugger walks the line. Sometimes they step over it. Its the nature of their aggression. Take it out of them and they wouldn't be half the footballers they are and were. Hall's aggression has contributed to many goals and victories. Its sheer hypocracy to pretend we haven't used it and gained from it. Going the knuckle is over the line. But it doesn't change the fact that these kind of players tread it every time they take the field. Plugger Lockett throttled Mick Martyn and said to him "How does it feel to die in front of 40,000 people". Very witty but very violent.

Don't disagree with the points you made there, but Hall crossed the line with the king hit on staker which was one of the more disgraceful efforts i have seen on the football field.

Since that incident he owed it to his teammates and coach to stay out of trouble. The Rutten hit wasn't that big if it was an isolated incident but it wasn't.

I mean is it really that hard to not punch an opponent for no reason on the football field??????

It's not much to ask but he just couldnt help himself and the team is poorer as a result

The liability he places on the team is that when he sees the red mist, we effectively play 1 man short, it's similar to the effect Fevola has on the Blues and it is a massive negative.

Having played football with hotheads before it is extremely disheartening when youre busting your gut and 1 player lets the team down with undisciplined acts. Additionaly, there's nothing better for an opposition team then to see an opponent lose their cool, its a psychological boost as you know you've got them on toast

[connolly]

Congratulations. You've managed to misquote me and miss my point completely.

What I am saying is that even in 2005 when he was being "good", Hall was potentially a liability. Fast forward to 2009, and his onfield behaviour has deteriorated to the extent that he is without a doubt a liability to the team, irrespective of his goal kicking ability.

I respect what he did for us in the past, but its time to move on, his sentiments in the article in The Age online seem to agree with this.

Big Beamish like a lot of big aggressive players - Mooney, Brereton, Plugger walks the line. Sometimes they step over it. Its the nature of their aggression. Take it out of them and they wouldn't be half the footballers they are and were. Hall's aggression has contributed to many goals and victories. Its sheer hypocracy to pretend we haven't used it and gained from it. Going the knuckle is over the line. But it doesn't change the fact that these kind of players tread it every time they take the field. Plugger Lockett throttled Mick Martyn and said to him "How does it feel to die in front of 40,000 people". Very witty but very violent.

[connolly]

I am getting worried that I am starting to agree with you Connolly - too often!

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Pouchman you will have hopped into the red and white within two seasons. Nice fit. You have lived with tragedy and heartbreak.