Collingwood players in sexual assault complaint.

[satchmopugdog]

Breaking news says Leon Davis was involved but he claims 'he didn't get a touch'!

I fell off my chair ...RB42..LOL

[royboy42]

Breaking news says Leon Davis was involved but he claims 'he didn't get a touch'!

[Tooth Fairy]

God Spida is a @@@@ing idiot.

If you saw the documentary on this sort of thing last night on SBS you'd understand what he was saying. The man does have a right to an opinion and to express it in any media he wishes to. Comments on social media sites such as this, facebook, twitter etc are so easily misunderstood because they are often one sentence blurbs that do not clarify. I mean who would want to sit on a social networking site and write a thesis on their thoughts? @@@@ that.

By the way... The naming of those facing police questioning was a disgraceful act.

[top40]

In the absence of any real evidence, it is impossible for anyone, media or general public, to be making any comments here. Investigations into these type of matters often go either way. There are notorious young men who do inappropriate things to women, particularly when fuelled by alcohol. But there are also women who, when the dust has settled and the morning has arrived, feel ashamed of themselves and forget that they consented to sexual contact, or even worse, deliberately make false allegations. Every case is different.

I totally agree with Eddie here, (can't believe I am writing this), that the names of all concerned should not be publicly disclosed in this case. Neil Mitchell was wrong, ethically wrong, to publicly reveal the names of the Collingwood players on his radio show.

Where I have a real problem consequently is why the recent allegations against Fev were made so openly, with a situation where that particular player was not only named straight away, but judged by many, including media commentators. Sounds like a very much double standard situation.

[swantastic]

BREAKING NEW....the girl at the center of the allergations has been named.Her name is Nick Reiwoldt.She claims that 3 Pies players repeatdly molesterd her over a 2 hour period last saturday.

[Trickster]

Absolutely shocking story GS14... But so right that he was the victim.

I would love to see a law brought in that if a woman make false allegations like that, she gets done for public mischief or something similar. Give her the day in court she deserves, and leave the justice to those TRUE victims of assault who need the system on their side.

Absolutely! A terrible thing to have happen. I do believe that the false accuser should be made to compensate the person who's life they have @@@@@@

[laughingnome]

Absolutely shocking story GS14... But so right that he was the victim.

Totally agree. A horrible state of affairs. I'm sorry that happened to your cousin.

[swansrock4eva]

Absolutely shocking story GS14... But so right that he was the victim.

I would love to see a law brought in that if a woman make false allegations like that, she gets done for public mischief or something similar. Give her the day in court she deserves, and leave the justice to those TRUE victims of assault who need the system on their side.

[goswannie14]

The unfortunate thing with sexual assault is that so often it is hard to prove anything beyond circumstancial evidence. Unless there is a witness or someone pleads guilty, it often comes down to word v word, and that's hard to convict anyone on - see Paul Keating last month. Vaginal bruising, footage of them meeting in the club showing one person being aggressively interested, party(ies) being intoxicated, these are all things that can be tested but none conclusively points to a crime being committed. Then you've got the problem of the claimant having to testify in court. Sexual assault is a devestating, emotionally crippling crime and having to face the alleged attacker can bring the hardiest claimant undone. I have no doubt that there are more sexual assaults then the low number that are convited for the drime every year. The second tragedy to these occurring is that it is so damn hard to prove them beyond reasonable doubt.

Let me give another side of the story.

My Cousin went to a party many years ago, met a girl, they went home, had sex, she returned to the party. The next morning she decided to report it as a rape.

After originally being found guilty, he was cleared when she confessed that he hadn't raped her. Whilst originally being in jail for the conviction, he became hooked on heroine.

The druig habit fired his brain, he was cared for by my uncle and auntie until he was bashed in Hastings (Vic) last year and after being in a coma for 2 weeks died.

Whilst I can't blame the lying girl for Michael's death, her false accusation was the start of a downward spiral that ended with his violent death last year.

You talk about victims, Michael was victim who was the falsely accused.

[ScottH]

The unfortunate thing with sexual assault is that so often it is hard to prove anything beyond circumstancial evidence. Unless there is a witness or someone pleads guilty, it often comes down to word v word, and that's hard to convict anyone on - see Paul Keating last month. Vaginal bruising, footage of them meeting in the club showing one person being aggressively interested, party(ies) being intoxicated, these are all things that can be tested but none conclusively points to a crime being committed. Then you've got the problem of the claimant having to testify in court. Sexual assault is a devestating, emotionally crippling crime and having to face the alleged attacker can bring the hardiest claimant undone. I have no doubt that there are more sexual assaults then the low number that are convited for the drime every year. The second tragedy to these occurring is that it is so damn hard to prove them beyond reasonable doubt.

I've read this.
I know how hard it is for the victim. These girls were incredibly brave.

In the end it all comes down ot the word "consent".
I'm sure they have proof of who was there, but word v word, who is more beleivable.

[laughingnome]

The interesting thing is, and my Mrs harps on about it a lot, no AFL/NRL/ARU/A-L/etc player has ever been found guilty of any injustice towards these women. Is it just that there was not enough evidence, were the players innocent, are the leagues good at covering up the situations.

There has been far too many instance across all codes for none of them to be guilty.

The unfortunate thing with sexual assault is that so often it is hard to prove anything beyond circumstancial evidence. Unless there is a witness or someone pleads guilty, it often comes down to word v word, and that's hard to convict anyone on - see Paul Keating last month. Vaginal bruising, footage of them meeting in the club showing one person being aggressively interested, party(ies) being intoxicated, these are all things that can be tested but none conclusively points to a crime being committed. Then you've got the problem of the claimant having to testify in court. Sexual assault is a devestating, emotionally crippling crime and having to face the alleged attacker can bring the hardiest claimant undone. I have no doubt that there are more sexual assaults then the low number that are convited for the drime every year. The second tragedy to these occurring is that it is so damn hard to prove them beyond reasonable doubt.

[Frog]

Radio host Neil Mitchell has released the names of the Collingwood players he claims have been interviewed by police as part of their investigation following an incident in which a woman has alleged she was sexually assaulted.

Lets read it for what it is worth at this stage.

[ScottH]

For the record, Dane Beams and John McCarthy have been named as the two players under investigation.

Confirmed.

[swansrob]

For the record, Dane Beams and John McCarthy have been named as the two players under investigation.

[ScottH]

Two adults consenting is one thing whether those adults are a skank or a footballer taking what's on offer.
Should either adult not consent to anything it becomes a matter for the police if one party pursues their own agenda and should be treated accordingly.
We've all seen behaviour less than attractive from both men and women out at night. It isn't an invitation or an excuse to cross someone's personal boundaries.
I think Spida needs to consider his words more carefully and frankly deserves to squirm a bit in public over this. Whilst I'm surprised he even chose to tweet on the subject he's not known for his judgement in matters of antisocial behaviour.

I think he makes a valid point, for some instances.
However,in this particular situation, without knowing the facts yet, it is hard to make a judgement.
Maybe the girl was right, and she was put in an awkward situation by her supposed boyfriend.
Maybe Spida is right. I don't know.

The interesting thing is, and my Mrs harps on about it a lot, no AFL/NRL/ARU/A-L/etc player has ever been found guilty of any injustice towards these women. Is it just that there was not enough evidence, were the players innocent, are the leagues good at covering up the situations.

There has been far too many instance across all codes for none of them to be guilty.
Sure, SR4E also makes a valid point, we've probably all seen the doco on it from a few years back, but some girls will throw themselves at celebrities, it's like they have a ladder to climb, and they see this as a way up, or something. But it's still up to the boys to say NO.
And as a young 20YO having girls throw themselves at you, literally, it's a very hard thing to deal with.

I'd like to think they are innocent until proven guilty, but it just seems to happen far too often for me to think this way.